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All very true...it's funny, isn't it? So many people were worried when the show started that it didn't have a distinct identity of its own, relying too much on homages to past series, and now it seems to be standing poised to launch a whole new saga... Bah, they can blow it up for all I care, as long as it makes for a good story. My cordial dislike for Macross II has nothing to do with the destruction of the Macross (although the flying bridge was a bit hard to take) and everything to do with the fact that I initially thought Flashback 2012 was a prelude, not an epilogue.

We're not defunct and we're not a Klan Klan fan club. Quit spreading your lies! Anyway, yeah. Um, Gilliam. I'm pretty sure Gilliam's gonna die, if he hasn't already.

"Farewell Space Battleship Yamato" wasn't a farewell... "Final Yamato" wasn't final... "Char's Counterattack" ended the main plotline of Gundam, but series continues... "The End of Evangelion" wasn't... What makes you think Macross will be any different?

Then we DO agree! Really, I have no problem with battleships SIMILAR to the Macross or BASED ON the Macross...but the thought of one that looks EXACTLY the same is just...strange to me. Bah. I'll get used to it.

I can't speak for others, but if you're putting me in with the group you mention, I think you're misunderstanding my point: namely, that I don't really understand why people would say, "Hey, remember that slipshod job we did refitting the alien battle fortress that we didn't comprehend completely? Now let's build one from scratch EXACTLY like it!" The SDF-2 makes a lot more sense to me, being an improvement upon the original design. But that's not the way it is, and I can accept it. I still think Frontier is an excellent series...I've enjoyed every Macross offering (yes, even II and 7...although both of them took a little time to grow on me), and expect to continue liking them as long as the Hory Froating Head continues to make them (when he retires...well, then all bets are off, although some Tomino-less Gundam is good, so Macross might be fine as well). To me, Macross is all one wonderful future history, and as long as Kawamori and his associates want to keep showing us chapters of it, well, then I feel honored that they're willing to share them with me. But I do agree that there are many, here and elsewhere, who are MUCH harder on Frontier than they would be if the names "Macross" and "Kawamori" weren't attached to the project. But that's to be expected...nostalgia's a double-edged sword.

If the Macross Perfect Memory is "nowhere," then yes, I am. But most of us would be more likely to refer to it as "a valuable trove of highly useful information." And if that is not at your fingertips, you might try here. Exact size (planned, at least) confirmed! EDIT: Unless of course, you meant the Global. In which case, it doesn't look like the SDF-2. Look at the bridge, for example. It doesn't look anything like the SDF-2's bridge, and everything like the SDF-1's.

Great minds, man...great minds...

ARGH, I've been pwned!!! You've won this round...but I'll be back...

But...but...the destruction-of-the-town scenes are some of the best ones in the the original show! If you ask me, they should've transformed in every episode! "So you like your new Made-on-Macross car, huh? Enjoy watching it fly out an open airlock along with some bits of rubble and a few trees! And watch the Artland building get smashed while you're at it!"

...or to take them as free-standing works of fiction that require no explanation. If a band records two quite different versions of the same song, is one more "real" than the other...? If an other takes one of his or her published short stories and expands it into a novel (or vice-versa...hey, it's happened), does that make one of them less valid?

You're making me drool. Stop it.

Well...that makes it easy, doesn't it?

Ha! I defy you to top that one WITHOUT resorting to Sid and Marty Kroft productions!

At least no one's mentioned "Manimal" yet...

Well...it's better than "Brief-25." And one of the MacZero fansubs, which kept translating "Hiyoko" literally as "chick" (like, a baby chicken) instead of the way it was used, as greenhorn, newbie, rookie, etc. "I'll bring them both back...the VF-Zero...and those chicks!" Of course you will, Roy...we never doubted you on THAT score...

Yeah, I know. But "bigger" would necessarily mean "different in some way," wouldn't it? The Global looked EXACTLY the same...

I don't really buy it either. We've seen the Megaroad launch in FB2012, Mac7, AND MacF, and IIRC, there were no "First Generation Macross Ships" accompanying them...unless they just happened to be off-camera (always a possibility, I guess...).

Y'know...somehow...I imagined that Zomeo was older... Zoliet, on the other hand, looks right on the money.

Well...obviously, they abandoned that idea...but I think it could've worked. Storm Attacker Construction could link the main cannon to the energy source but disconnect the engines from the power...and vice-versa. By the way...the Macross never regained its ability to fire the cannon in cruiser mode, did it? At least, I don't think we ever saw it happen after episode 1...

To be fair, there's nothing IN THE ANIMATION ITSELF to deny the existence of other SDF-1 Macross types of ships, but the supplementary material (as you say) does seem to be against it (IIRC, some of us went through similar conniptions when the VF-0 was introduced...). Plus, to me, it just seemed intuitive that a reverse engineered and rebuilt alien space ship would end up being one-of-a-kind. But I guess not.

Oh! Well...yes.

Are you insulting my observational skills, sir?

I assumed it was the latter...but we all know what they say about why you should never assume...

IIRC, they said it was LIKE an endurance test of the VF-19...not an ACTUAL test. And even that was (again IIRC) just because Basara couldn't do any maintainance on the Valk himself... Of course, they could still use the data, but it's certainly not like they had a controlled environment or anything...

I still think they should've gone with the original idea during the planning stages of SDF M: that the Macross could ONLY fire the cannon in Storm Attacker mode and could ONLY use the engines in cruiser mode...