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Bobby's doesn't work for me. Yecch. However, Cathy as Sara works very well, especially considering they have the same voice actress...and Ai-Kun as Alto's VF-25 is pure greatness.

Well, yeah. After all, we were talking about a Nanase pic. And hey, I've got to take a stand at least sometimes, right?

Klan was a sex toy??? Hmmm, I must've missed that episode...

Y'know, you're probably right. It is said that once a truth is seen, it cannot be un-seen...and thus, you don't have to be reminded of it every few weeks.

I'm way ahead of you, dude: http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=28712 As for the topic at hand, I was always under the impression that while the male and female Zentradi in SDFM deifnitely communicated, and often worked together of missions, there was no personal contact between them. Sure, Laplamiz and Britai talked via monitor, but they were never on the same ship together. Likewise, the Lolicon Three were carried to the Macross by Millia, but they never actually met her face to face.

As we are now a week into the new year, I think it's time for a little house cleaning...and so here the topics, analogies, and general clichés that I respectfully suggest should not be brought up this year: 1) Which is worse: Macross II or Macross 7? We've heard it all, we've seen it all. Yes, we know Macross II is a lame rip-off of DYRL. We know that Macross 7 has too much music and not enough fighting. We know that Macross II characters are too bland, and we know that basara is too obnoxious. Please...give it a rest. 2) The Ending of Macross Zero Sucked. Again, we know. We saw it. Having you say EXACTLY the same thing that dozens of people have said before doesn't make you smart, nor does it make you popular. 3) I call RETCON! You can't retcon something that was never set in stone anyway. So the VF-0 was never mentioned in SDFM, so Fold Faults were never brought up before Frontier. So we'd never seen the SDFN-04 Global before...so what? Now if they suddenly said in the Frontier Movie that Hikaru and Minmay got married in 2011 and that Guld married Mylene at the end of Macross Dynamite 7, well...then we'd have a problem. But we don't. Deal with it. 4) I WISH KAIFUN/BASARA/RANKA WOULD JUST DIE!!! "Repeat to yourself, 'It's just a show, I should probably just relax." 5) If there's an ending where everyone sits around and sings "Kumbaya," I'm gonna PUKE!!! Duh, it's Macross...that's how most of 'em end. If you don't like it, there are dozens of other robot animes that DON'T involve singing as a major plot point. 6) Macross II had no original creators working on it! Kind of a minor one, but it does get mentioned occasionally. Mikimoto did the character designs, Sukehiro Tomita, who wrote the thing, also was one of the main writers for SDFM, and went on to write episodes of Macross 7, as well as all of Dynamite 7 and Macross Generation. Say what you will about Macross II, original staff DID INDEED work on it. 7) Will we ever find out what happened to Hikaru, Misa, and Minmay? No, we won't. Unless we do. At least we know they weren't sucked into a black hole, thanks to Egan Loo's research of how that rumor got started. That frickin' Frontier OP parody picture with Captain Wilder, Ozma, and Howard Glass all naked. We saw it months ago. We thought it was funny for a day or two. 9) Age of Consent Laws in Japan Discussion of this accomplishes nothing except reveal your not-so-hidden urge to bang thirteen-year-olds. Don't ask, don't tell, dude. 10) ROBOTECH IS TEH AWESOME!!!! Yeah, no one ever says that here...but I thought I'd err on the side of caution.

Looks like Azrael's worst fear has come true in Chronicle #14... Mechanic Sheet * VF-1S Valkyrie [judging from the cover, which shows Max's VF, it ain't the TV version...] * SDF-2 Megaroad [what, no fold-out page for the Megaroad? Damn.] * Octos Character Sheet * Amy / Saori / Natasha [No, I didn't know who they were either...they're Sylvie's Fairy Squad in MacII.] * Lynn Minmay Gallery Sheet * Macross II Timeline Sheet * Zentradi Non-Peace Factions History Sheet * Ranka Lee Live World Guide Sheet * Varauta Army Song Sheet * Aimo ~BIRD HUMAN~ / Aimo O.C. Goods Sheet * COSPA Apparel

Yeah, I thought of that as I was posting...the "Desert Island Disc" is probably on its way out...but "Desert Island iPod" just doesn't have the same ring to it... Wow...good list. I love 4AD (well, the older stuff; haven't heard much that they've put out recently).

They can be found when you buy the CDs, like I did.

Yes, of course I know about royalties. So why do you think the performers from M7 get royalties, but all the singers from SDFM, MII, and M+ don't?

Well...yeah, but sometimes...there's too much of a good thing.

Which one? "Pretty Kitty"...? (Yeah, I saw the CDs at Kinokuniya a week or so ago, and broke down and bought them.) I'm not sure the Sheryl stickers are more tasteful, really...but they don't show any actual nudity, unlike "Pretty Kitty." I still think the "Hard-On" sticker is more suggestive, though...mostly because of the chrome-like sheen on Ranka's butt.

Wow...that's a lotta testosterone... Anyway, if we're doing Desert Island Discs, here's mine (in no particular order): 1. The Velvet Underground - Peel Slowly and See 2. Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited 3. France Gall - Poupée de son 4. The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society (Deluxe Edition) 5. The Brilliant Green - The Brilliant Green 6. Shiina Ringo - Karuki, Zaamen, Kuri no Hana 7. Pixies - Surfer Rosa/Come on Pilgrim 8. My Bloody Valentine - Loveless 9. The Beatles - Rubber Soul 10. Love - Forever Changes At any rate, that's what it would be if I were choosing them now...it may change tomorrow...

http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=28061 By the way, I was listening to Nyan Tama again this morning, and it struck me (not for the first time) how elegantly it's put together: the way it (generally) goes with either Ranka or Sheryl until there's a duet, and then it switches over to the other girl for a while, then another duet, and so on. And then Maaya Sakamoto pops in at the beginning and end of disc one, and the end of disc two. I'm not really sure how "Space Brother Ship" or the SMS Song fit in, but that hardly matters, I suppose.

I think you may be missing my point, or else I'm missing yours. Victor owns the music for SDFM, II, and Plus, right? Presumably everyone got paid when those were brought to the west. What makes 7 so different? And I know the U.S. anime companies said in 1995 or 1996 that the music for M7 was too expensive...but I wonder if that's still true in 2009. After all, most of the M7 CDs were out of print until the big 25th Anniversary push last year.

As many have implied, and as much as I applaud the effort and thought that went into this thread, I think figuring out Zentradi scale based on the rather haphazard animation of SDFM is an exercise doomed to failure. In other words, let's forget all about this and start another "Which girl will Alto end up with?" discussion.

But...but...doesn't Victor own ALL the Macross music (except for Macross Generation)...?

Once again...who's Gloval?

Crap, that's right...there's even a picture of the "open" gunpod on the page. Okay, now that I know what the sentence is talking about, it should be easier to get it into workable English. CRAP IN A HAT!!! Of all the typos I could make...

I remember translating a Shiina Ringo song, and then looking up another translation online, and finding the meaning to be almost entirely different, since that translator and I cut the clauses up differently. As for how to deal with them...you'll notice that my translations have many more parentheses than the original texts do...sometimes that seems to me to be the only way to deal with them without making a huge, unreadable run-on sentence. Sometimes, though I find it's easiest to reorganize the information into two or three smaller sentences. It doesn't read much like the Japanese version when I'm done with it, but it has all the same information.

Hmmm...those are quite good suggestions. Honestly, I don't know what's worse...the intricate syntax in some of these very, very long sentences, the long strings of technical kanji, or the otherwise common words that have two or three different meanings, and I'm not sure which one fits. I tell ya, after I finish the VF-25 page, I'm going to translate the Mylene fashion extravaganza, just to boost my ego back up.

I don't think so...it definitely talks about an armor plate, although I don't know if it's on the rear of the gunpod, or if it's talking about the previous gunpod model (the word for "behind" and "previous" being the same here). Sketchley? Azrael? Shun? Beuller...? Help...?

Shouldn't this be in the Newbie Questions Thread? As far as I know, there's no real significance to the ending credits, unless you count Hikaru's almost identical photo album in episode 28, and Misa closing the "Farwell [or was it "So long"?], 2012" photo album at the very end of the series. Although I think the hand turning the pages in the credits is too big and manly to be Misa's...

Heh. You managed to zero in on EXACTLY the parts I was unsure about. The armor plate is on the gunpod (the word they use could mean "gun" or it could mean "barrel"). As for how it improves firing speed...I don't know. If I were to translate the sentence as literally as possible, it says, "About the firing speed, rear/previous parts gun body's armor plate has (or "is") unfolding/evolving/deploying/developing/progressing structure." I'm at a loss to explain what it means. And that's nothing compared to the gunpod placement sentence, which took me close to forty minutes to try to untangle. Looking at it now, I'm amazed I pulled out anything coherent at all. Again, literally: "About fighter mode, fighter under-parts' engine nacelle's place/time positioned both arms' possessing backing/support/maintenance shelf/stand/mount/support/frame is equipped." Stuff like this is why this frickin' page is taking so frickin' long to frickin' finish. Thankfully, the gunpod paragraph is as rough as the article gets.

Reactions vary, but I think most people would agree that the series doesn't really pick up until somewhere between episodes 14 and 20. It never becomes the serious war drama that a lot of people would've liked, but as the plot (slowly, slowly) gets revealed, there is a lot to like (IMHO, of course).