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Exactly. I've said it before, but one of the things I like about Macross is that the entrie saga is quite long, but completely manageable. Watching a couple of episodes a day, it took me about two months to get through everything. Even if you only stick to U.C. timeline Gundam, however, it'll take quite a bit longer to get through all of it, and it ain't over yet... Hmm...it looks fun, but I have no video game system, and I don't really want one. It's not because I don't like video games...quite the reverse. If I got into a game, I'd never leave the house. So I'm, um, game-abstinent...because I actually enjoy having a social life. I kind of envy other people who can play them without them taking over their lives, though.

Nah, that's the Macross Entertainment Bible. The Studio Nue ones look like this: As I said, I have both of them. Volume Two has a lot of text towards the end, but there are no "ten-page stories" or any stories of any kind. The text is all "Studio Nue Starship Library," which look like they were magazine columns, talking about the intricacies of mecha design or something like that. Other than that, the books are all lineart (with explanation and commentary). Interestingly, the editors make a number of gaffes, including talking a lot about "FLASHBACK 2019." I bought them because of ANOTHER story Shaloom said was in them. They weren't really expensive ($21.50 plus shipping), but that's money I could've spent elsewhere if I had known Shaloom was making things up. And I don't really want to take the time to scan the entire books, but I might scan the table of contents for each one, just so people know there are no stories in them.

Nope. I heard the VF-X 1 and 2 and M3 weren't very good, anyway...

I'm pretty sure it was from Animag in the late '80s.

Yes, yes...apart from drama albums, Macross Chronicle, and Macross Ace, there won't be any Macross for three or four WHOLE MONTHS! Having sat through both the '87~'92 and '97~'02 dry spells, I have no sympathy whatsoever.

Which one, Volume One or Volume Two? I have both, and there are no stories in either of them.

*Psst* I've already started it.

I haven't seen all of them, so I'm really not sure. Plus, as I'm not exactly fluent in Japanese, there's a lot that I don't catch just watching the series (watching is one thing...if I'm gonna translate, I need to study a show). As such, most of the huge gaffes I've noticed tend to be things like song lyrics. Or else it's things that aren't mistakes, exactly, but questionable editorial choices (Shinsen had a lot of things like this). But that comes down to opinion. I started off with Shinsen subs for viewing, and they were all right, but of course they never finished the series. Then I started watching Lunar, who were pretty good. The fact that they used Robotech terminology was kind of off-putting, but other than that, they seemed perfectly acceptable. And of course now THORA (using the AOne/Menclave subs, I believe) is doing a solid job. But I think the real problem with MacF subs is that everyone started doing them when the show first began, and no one bothers to revise their early scripts in light of later developments. because of that, there's a lot of stuff in the early episodes that are mysterious, and only get explained in later episodes (a good example is Ranka shouting at Ozma after he got wounded in episode 3. In retrospect, it's clear she's flashing back to Brera, but the subs I've seen can't support that reading). NOW would be the perfect time for a fansub group to start on Frontier, and do an excellent version (although maybe they should wait until the movie's out). Likewise, with no standardized subs for (for example) DYRL or Zero, a lot of the homages in the dialogue get muffled by the subs. *sigh* If only someone would go through and come up with new subs for EVERY Macross story, we might solve that problem...

After I listen to it a dozen or so more times, I might be able to bang out a little summary or something. Eventually, I'm planning on doing a full translation, but that's a few years off.

Yeah, I think it's quite interesting as an example of mirrors reflecting mirrors. Some fans detail the problems they have with Frontier, someone creates a false "official" interview telling those fans that they're absolutely right, and the fans use that interview as proof that they were right. In other news, apparently "Ohnogi" also "wrote" a story that tells the story of the Megaroad-01, called "Delta War": http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=e...en%26safe%3Doff This information comes EXCLUSIVELY from Shaloom of Macross Generation!

Batch 1 (Eps. 1~6) is up: http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=torrentinfo&tid=68431 Again, I'd appreciate it if those who downloaded the subs last week would help me seed. It's a huge file, and it'll take me weeks to do it by myself...

I just picked up "Nyan Dra: Dra 3" last night, and the second track (written by Yoshino, which I guess makes it about as canonical as you can get) is about Grace starting Project Fairy and experimenting on young Sheryl. If I could understand it better, it would probably answer a lot of questions... You do get to hear Sheryl as a little girl singing "Totsugeki LoveHeart," as well as what sounds like a new "Sheryl Nome starring May'n" song. Of course, everyone's talking over it...but still, it sounds good. Kinda like a post-club chill-out song, slow and sexy.

*whew* That's a relief!

Sounds good to me!

I think it's a good point, and a funny one. If you took the whole of Macrossworld and pulled out something about Macross that each person hated, there would be nothing left. SDFM has inconsistent animation and pacing problems. The last nine episodes were unnecessary. Minmay sucks. Hikaru sucks. Misa sucks (I'm sure SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE must believe that...). DYRL was confusing. FB2012 adds nothing new. MII was a retread. M+ lacked likable characters. M7 has too many problems to list. M0 was too "hippy" and made no sense. Frontier has too much fanservice. All of this has been mentioned (except Misa sucking) on these boards again and again. However, the corollary is also true. If you put the whole of Macrossworld together and extracted one thing that everybody loved, you'd cover pretty much everything, including Space Whales, Valks with faces, the Macross getting destroyed by the Mardook, flying rocks, Sheryl chasing after her panties, Kaifun, Basara, and Ranka. Well, maybe not the Star Pro-created episodes of SDFM...I don't think anyone likes those.

ONE OF MY FRIENDS JUST GOT TICKETS!!! I'M A-GOING!!!!

I don't think they looked alike...they just had the same voice actor.

I think it's a relatively minor eruption so far, but no, it will probably never die. Years from now, someone will see macross F for the first time and join up here to say, "I heard some other guy wrote the last few episodes and that's why they suck/rock" or something like that. For myself and my situation, I'm more troubled by the thought of people coming to my blog when I'm completely done with SDFM, saying, "Why didn't you translate the Ohnogi stories? I really wanted to read those, because so much of Frontier is based on them!" Although, I suppose I could always answer, "Hey, if you can find 'em, I'll do 'em" or some such. Or else just forward any messages like that to Shaloom, and have him deal with them. The problem is that a lot of the information in the liner notes is completely accurate, and interesting. Why anyone would wreck a detailed list of all the homages in Frontier by adding a bunch of BS is beyond me. But then, so is the question of why someone would go to all the trouble of making up the BS in the first place.

I've been unable to find any that I really like (which is why I'll eventually be making my own), but THORA gets pride of place because they're using the BD rips instead of TV broadcast versions.

Let's the movie rates a zero on the "good scale," and the book is 1000 times better. And 1000 times zero is...? (j/k. I've never actually read the book, but I've heard it's a lot of fun.) Man...Piers Anthony. I loved his books for a while in junior high, until I realized what a lazy bastard he was (and how, while he often wrote good FIRST books in a series, he never seemed to be able to write good FINAL books for those series). After he wrapped up "Incarnations of Immortality" and "The Apprentice Adept," I swore I'd never read another book by him. And I haven't. But I would certainly recommend his books to any horny twelve-year-old boy who likes science fiction or fantasy.

You're probably not wrong about that. The outbreak has been confined mostly to AnimeSuki, but over there, Ohnogi has been essentially hailed as a god, while Kawamori is insulted and reviled at every opportunity. For me, the research started because I'm trying to translate all the Macross novels and stories, and Shaloom refers to a lot of them I'd never heard of before. Finding out that they didn't exist led to other things, and pretty soon I had all this text. And it would be like a 4chan prank except that nobody ever really questioned it...

Pretty much, yeah. I also meant that it seems like some RT.com people treat MW as an extention of RT.com, like "Well, I can't post over there any more, so I'll come to this second-rate Robotech site and continue on the same way!" There's no prerequisite for joining MW, but I think there should be a prerequisite for staying: being a Macross fan. That doesn't mean you have to have watched or liked everything, but some kind of point of entry BEYOND Robotech is always appreciated. Anyway, it wasn't a personal attack at you, Wanzerfan, and I'm sorry if you took it that way.

I don't think you can really compare a Michael Crichton book to a 13th century saga...It's kind of like saying, "Do you like ancient Greek sculptures? Then check out this brand-new homage to them made entirely out of plastic!" Retellings and "inspired by" stories have their place, but they're never a patch on the original.

Her dad's no longer a death metal rocker...he got into classical, and that's all Mio has ever heard. But then she runs away, wanders around City 7, and hears Basara singing on TV...she looks positively orgasmic, calls for her piano, and goes wild on it.

I have to echo VFTF1...are you being serious? The love triangle certainly won a lot of passionate fans (for better AND for worse). The characters were nowhere near as flat as the Shadow Chronicles characters (that's, of course, flatness personality-wise. Physically, no one's flat in Shadow Chronicles, but Nanase and Macro-Klan put them all to shame). The mecha in Frontier was NEW, as opposed to recycled 25-year-old designs. And a lot of it was very cool. Add to this that the plot of Frontier was more interesting, the battle scenes were much more intense and better-animated, the homages to previous series were more clever, the music was a hell of a lot better... And don't underestimate the fact that Frontier is longer. 25 episodes means more to chew on. A lot of this is subjective, of course, but...which one did YOU like better? And why?