Gubaba

No one. That was a point Shaloom made to me when I first asked him (through Magnuskn, who very kindly translated Shaloom's response) about this. I don't want to quote the exact text, since it was a private message, but he said that there is no definitive Macross website (not even the Compendium) because the creators of the show (like Kawamori, Mikimoto, Tomita, and of course, Ohnogi) wrote and drew a lot of material that was only ever published in doujinshis. It was never official, so it has never been officially recognized. And anyway, who has it, besides a few guys who went to a Tokyo anime convention in 1983, and have long since forgotten that they have something rare? On the face of it, it seems understandable. Of course no one knows how many doujinshis were produced for Macross. And yes, however unlikely, it's always possible that some original creators worked on a few of them. However, while Shaloom makes it sound here like the Ohnogi "novels" were amateur publications, he later said they were published in "magazine like Animage and Out between 1986 and 1988." Which should make them eminently more high-profile (and available). Shaloom said he only had a couple of the stories himself. But when we asked him which issues he had, we never got an answer. The thing is, once he started mentioning the Studio Nue Entertainment Bibles, he moved further into the world of high-profile, well-documented stuff. And the Macross Compendium, in conjunction with amazon.co.jp and the Manadarake website, gave me a pretty complete view of all the Macross novels that are out there, as well as all the books in the Bandai Entertainment Bible Series. But really, if that were all I had had to go on, I would never have started this thread. It's the bit that Ohnogi "said" that worked on Macross Plus and that none of the books about Frontier mention his involvement that prompted me to post it. And it was the Famitsu interview that prompted me to tell all on Macross Generation.

I agree, but hey...Shaloom made the original claims in public. I called him on it in public. But I also insulted him, which I shouldn't have done. I'd say that allows him to call the shots for now. Of course, he hasn't said ANYTHING about it one way or another yet. I don't think he's been to the Macross Generation Forums in about a week or so. No matter what happens, though, and no matter how much of it is private, everyone will know the outcome. If he can A) somehow explain why the Famitsu Interview says something completely different from what he said it says, B) provide clips from a radio show that no one else in Japan ever seems to have heard (and which the Macross F website never bothered to advertise), or C) show me Vol. 15 of a book that EVERYONE, professional and amateur alike, says has only two volumes, then I will apologize publicly and do whatever I can to mend bridges. If he can't do any of those things, then I won't apologize. Simple as that. I think I've done a good job of documenting my sources, which puts the burden of proof on him (I mean, it always was on him, but now there's added pressure, so to speak). So any kind of resolution, public or private, should be pretty clear-cut...and everyone should be able to agree to the outcome.

I think it's a clever solution to the problem of canon. Yes, it makes the Macross production seem more "ficitonal," but that's okay. They ARE fiction. Besides, I always admire artiness and post-modernism where I don't expect them, and the idea that there IS a "real" Macross story, but we've never seen it (and WILL never see it) is about as arty and post-modern as you can get.

There are three volumes so far. Volume Three goes up to about chapter thirteen, which is roughly around episode 16 or 17 of the anime. So the whole thing will probably be five volumes long. And no, I don't think anyone has put up scans of the following chapters. Quite honestly, the comic isn't all that good.

I just left a note there saying I wouldn't bother anyone about it. I've informed them, which is all I really wanted to do. What they do with it is up to them. But I agree with you. It's not a private matter. Most of us were fooled for quite a while, across several forums and sites. At the same time, I don't want to instigate a site war, so whatever they think is fair is okay by me. So if Shaloom wants to deal with it in private, I'm happy to do so. All I need from him is some kind of scan or photo of either the Studio Nue Entertainment Bible Vol. 15, some kind of audio file of the Bobby/Ohnogi interviews, or a scan or photo of any Japanese source that mentions Ohnogi working on Frontier. If he can produce any one of these things, I'll do whatever he wants in order to apologize.

Actually, I think it's an illustration of a scene on the newest drama album, where he and Sheryl lose a bet and have to work at Nyan-Nyan.

Thank goodness NO ONE thought Shin should've ended up with Mao...

Found it. No screen shot, but here's the info: http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=26483

It was when Guld is snooping on Isamu's info...for a brief moment, you see the computer screen, and it gives his military history, as well as personal info (I think his special skill was "girl hunt"). It's either in episode one or two...I think one, but I'm not sure.

It doesn't really matter to me. I mostly bought it so I could translate "The Lost Two Years" and "The Plundering Fleet" (COMPLETE translations this time, not summarized like the old Roycommi versions). And if I could figure out some way to do the fashion magazine in the middle, I'd do that, too.

Okay...I think I may have found it. Was it this? http://www.presepe.jp/m44/sp/id/BeWkJEnOCYY=/

Aw, you should've kept reading! MINE didn't come with a poster, though. It was cheap, though, so I guess I shouldn't complain.

I *think* I know what you're talking about...Tak referred to it at AnimeSuki a couple weeks ago if I'm not mistaken... Crap in a hat! Does that mean that the Megaroad-01 was also involved in the Planet Hydra Incident and the Planet Avemaria Dispute as well?

See, everyone keeps saying that, and I don't know where that info comes from. It doesn't seem to be in the Official Fan Book, 2059: Memories, or the DVD Liner Notes. Do you have a source?

Hmm...good point. My only problem was that I have joined up at Macross Generation twice before, but never posted anything, and they remove you after a while if you do that. I'd already used "Gubaba" and "Yot-chan," and I wasn't sure I could use them again. Besides, I thought it was kind of poetic..."Edward Elric" here joined up solely to say that Ohnogi worked on Frontier, I joined up there solely to say that he didn't. That said, I really, REALLY don't want a site war, and I think everyone can agree with me on that point.

DAMN! That's interview GOLD! I nominate this post for pinning. Finally, we have the perfect answer for when people ask which version is canonical...we can just smile and say, "Neither."

I also want to know the end. First, I think Shaloom should apologize. I wish he would pay me the $21.50 (plus shipping) I spent for the Studio Nue Entertainment Bibles (when I bought the books, I still believed him), but I know that will not happen. I feel bad for the forum members. They took it all in good faith, and it turned out not to be true. Kinda sucks, don't you think?

No, it's me. I got annoyed at the "Edward Elric" over here, since he was clearly just a troll, so I took the same name when I joined up at Macross Generation. I hope my Spanish was comprehensible... And yes, I'm betting that Shaloom never saw the entire Famitsu interview.

Is it just me, or does the interview quoted in the first post ring ESPECIALLY false now?

Probably as soon as he shows up on the board. Which is why I also sent a message to the guy in charge of the FWF Frontier fansub project, for whom Shaloom was writing the liner notes.

PM'd you.

I can mince words very well...in English. I have to be a little more direct if I want to speak in comprehensible Spanish. EDIT: And if you thought that was direct, you should've seen the PM I sent to Shaloom...

It's not as bad as all that, I think. The Famitsu Interview isn't a terribly valuable source, but the Yoshino Interview from the Official Fan Book and Kawamori's Commentary from 2059: Memories are highly worthwhile just on their own merits. The hours spent searching Google, though...that, I could've done without. I'm sure bishopcruz would agree.

Are you kidding? That'll be AWESOME!!! I'm imaging something like this: Bobby: Thank you, Kawamori-sama for making our darling Ranka not lose at the end! Kawamori: Well, you know, it was very difficult to do so. My friend Hiroshi-san and all the staff, as well as the fans, well, they all wanted to see Sheryl win. But you know, I thought, 'Screw them! This is MY show, and I'll do whatever the hell I want with it.' So I made the ending the way I did. Well, actually, I wanted to have Ranka win Alto's heart and Sheryl to die a miserable, lonely death, but the staff rebelled. For some reason that I cannot understand, they all like Sheryl. And they tell me the fans love her very much. It makes me sad to know that my darling Ranka is not as popular. But we'll fix that in the movie. Hiroshi-san is not coming back to write it, so I'll get to do everything I want. If you don't like Ranka, don't bother seeing the movie. Of course, all of this is still up in the air. If I get a lot of hate emails from people on the message forum, I might change my mind.