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And then Shin and Sara show up (hanging out with Gamlin and Mylene and their five kids) saying, "What took you long?"

I still don't really get how Frontier was a retelling...unless I'm misremebering, I don't think Minmay ever had a Zentradi virus in her intestines that caused the Zentradi to try to rescue her. I also don't think the complete inability of humans and Zentradi to communicate was ever a theme of the series. Nor did Minmay's manager ever try to turn humanity into one massive hive mind. But if you're referring to the fact that the guy with glasses pilots a blue Valk and that the gruff older guy is called Skull Leader, then I guess you're right.

I think it's a difference of perspective. Basar'as into music, not the music business. Being free to pay what he wants when he wants in of paramount importance to him, far more than if he makes any money or pleases anyone by doing so. Sheryl, on the other hand, loves music, but she also wants to live the life of a pop star. She enjoys the fame and attention, and being adored. Basara doesn't really care. So it seems to me that Sheryl is the one being narcissistic (and pragmatic). But I will agree that I'd rather spend a weekend with her than with Basara.

I'm not even really saying that...I'm just saying that if you buy Macross Ace, it'll say "Gundam Ace Special" in small print on the spine. Just like Macross Ace issue one did. Really, it's no cause for alarm. If it bothers anyone, they can put some masking tape over the words.

Look at it this way. Gundam Ace is a spin-off of Shonen Ace. Likewise, Macross Ace is a spin-off of Gundam Ace. Macross Ace Vol. 001 said "Gundam Ace, March" on it. They're not "doing" anything, apart from folding all their related magazines under one umbrella.

"Rea" sounds cool. "Rare" sounds lame. The choice is obvious.

Tell me about it. For a few days I was feeling really worried that I had started something I couldn't finish. I suspected that this was a touchy subject for the mods here, and I was afraid I had made their fears come true... But, like I said, MG is full of great people. And Shaloom's running away and hiding cannot be underestimated as a defuser of conflict. So bless the guy once again, for shooting himself in the foot and making himself look guilty as sin. If he had come roaring back, with well-photoshopped fakes, we might have had a real site war on our hands. See, the problem is that I don't have a whole lot of info. It's all, "I can't find this" here and "I checked every book but it doesn't say anything about it" there. I think it's the cumulative effect that convincing, rather than any specific points. And the information spans three different languages and lots of websites. Also, bear in mind that Shaloom said that the Macross Compendium and Macross World were both "full of errors and omissions." So I tried not to use either as a source. Here's the rundown: Shaloom's claims that have been thoroughly disproven 1. Ohnogi is credited as the writer for episode 18 of Frontier. (A check of the episode itself, Japanese Wikipedia, or either 2059:Memories or the Macross F Official Fan Book can dispel this one...if you know where to look, and you know the kanji for "screenplay" (脚本), "Yoshino Hiroyuki" (吉野弘幸) and for "Ohnogi Hiroshi" (大野木寛)). 2. Kawamori wrote the final episode for Macross F (The same sources as above can be used, since Yoshino is credited as writing all the episodes. But, just for the hell of it, here's Kawamori's name: 河森正治. And, just in case it comes up, his pseudonym, "Kurokawa Eiji": (黒河影次) 3. Ohnogi wrote Macross Plus. Anime News Network and all languages of Wikipedia, as well as either of the This Is Animation Specials on Macross Plus will tell you that Nobumoto Keiko wrote Plus. 4. Ohnogi wrote DYRL. Again, any book or website will tell you otherwise. 5. Ohnogi wrote the SDFM episodes "Pineapple Salad" and "Rainy Night." (Try as I might, I can't find any website that lists all the SDFM credits in English. Japanese Wikiepdia has them, as does Macross Perfect Memory. This evening, I just scanned the Perfect Memory pages, and I'll probably make some kind of color-coded "who wrote what"-type chart for it. There are only six writers for SDFM, so it shouldn't be too hard.) 6. There are fifteen Studio Nue Entertainment Bible volumes. (As Graham said, if they existed someone would've found them by now. I can't find any website with a list of all of them, but it's possible to piece together a list using amazon.co.jp, Mandarake, and the Japanese Wikipedia pages for the shows involved. Thankfully, the Entertainment Bibles are numbered quite prominently, so it's not hard to piece together all the info. Also, starblazers.com has an interview with Miyatake, with a bibliography of his works. Only the two volumes of the Studio Nue EBs are shown.) 7. There's an interview with Ohnogi in the August 1983 issue of OUT Magazine, where Ohnogi says that Kawamori didn't want Hikaru to end up with Misa, but rather have a "triangler ending." (among this most pleasant finds of my search was this site: http://homepage2.nifty.com/out-site/ , which documents the contents of every issue of OUT with obsessive detail. If you look at 1983, the August issue has nothing about Macross...the July issue, however, is chock-full of Macross stuff, and might be worth tracking down. No Ohnogi interview, however.) 8. The Famitsu Magazine Interview with Kawamori is as Shaloom presents it. (I posted the scans. Do with them as you will.) Then there are a lot of claims that would be called false by any reasonable measure. These are 1) the existence of the radio show on which "Ohnogi" was "interviewed" by "Bobby" (It's not listed on the Japanese Wikipedia page for Macross F radio shows, there is no mention of it on the Macross F homepage, and there are no uploads of it on NicoNico. this doesn't disprove its existence 100%, but if it's real, there should be SOME mention of it SOMEWHERE) and 2) the SDFM "novels" of Ohnogi (Shaloom said they were serialized in "magazines like Animage and OUT between '86 and '88." Something that vague is hard to disprove. But no one else has heard of them, even die-hard Japanese macross fans (witness the rather bemused response when I asked about them on macross.co.jo: http://macross.co.jp/bbs/entry.cgi?mode=al...ree&no=5662 ). Not to say they COULDN'T exist, but given everything else, it seems unlikely.) Last there are the things that may or may not be true, and only Shaloom knows for sure. There are too many to list, but they include things like Ranka's backpack being based on a design by the doujinshi group Macross Attack Team ( http://www.macrossworld.com/macross/books/dou_mat2.htm ), and the end of Frontier episode 8 being based on the hard-to-find secret ending of Macross Love Stories, the Macross dating sim. I'm not sure about all of Bishopcruz's findings, but I think there's a similar dearth of real meat in what he found (or, more appropriately, DIDN'T find). So really, that's very little to give someone, especially since the story has mutated, with some now saying that Ohnogi refused credit for his work on Frontier, or that the radio show was NOT a real radio show, but rather a DVD extra. I'm sure it will come up again, and I think the only thing to do is to direct them to this thread, or the relevant Macross Generation threads. I think I've done a good job of spreading the facts around here and at Animesuki. Once I finish posting the Spanish version of my essay, I hope the members of Macross Generation will spread it around similarly in the Spanish-Speaking world. And really, I think that's the best we can do, unless we can get Shaloom to publicly confess, and spread that confession around everywhere.

You're probably right about the bomber, but I really don't think the History Sheet can be Plus-related. Plus History Sheet 02 is "Sharon Apple Tour (Eden Concert)" and Sheet 03 is "The Sharon Apple Incident," leaving no room inbetween. (And I'm pretty sure 01 will have to be "Project Supernova." )

Chronicle #26: Mechanic Sheet * Queadluun-Rea * SV-51 * ARMD * 8-Winged Giant Bomber [...the hell? ] Character Sheet * Klang Klan * Graham Hoilie Timeline Sheet * Project Suspended History Sheet * The Battle to Prevent Returning to Earth [What's this? SDFM Episode 13?] World Guide Sheet * Macross Frontier Fleet Technology Sheet * Variable Fighter / History and Development (1) Glossary Sheet *Anata no oto ~ Ima wa Tomodachi Goods Sheet * Bandai Macross Crusade * Yamato 1/60 Destroid Series

Nothing to solve, really. Macross Ace is published under the umbrella of Gundam Ace, just as Zeta Gundam Ace was a few years ago. So technically, Macross Ace is a "Gundam Ace Special." Do we really NEED more reminders that Macross will always be second banana..?

Forget Minmay, forget battroids, forget the Macross F movie... I SEE NANASE'S PANTIES!!!

He's been making stuff up since 2002, at least. One of the MG mebers told me that Shaloom had had similar revelations during Macross Zero's production, and even flew to Japan to interview Kawamori. The member though that the interview had been lost once MG moved from their old boards to the new one, but a little bit of searching found that it resides here: http://forum.sugoi.com.pe/index.php?showtopic=12376 Anyway, it's nothing as egregious as the Ohnogi stuff, since it's mostly pasted together from different Kawamori interviews that are floating around. Anyway, i think it'll be quite a while before he shows his face on any Macross forum again, either MG or here (did you know that he was here? It was one of the first things I found when I started investigating this, and I kept hoping he'd show up again here so I could ask him a few questions. Alas, February was the last time he logged in here...). Lindem Herz has already translated the essay into Spanish, and I've started posting it over on MG. I'd like to hear Shaloom's version of events, just so I can get some nagging questions answered, but that's probably too much to hope. Anyway, again: Macross Generation is a great site, with great people. The end.

I'd agree with that. Sheryl's determined, but she's not malicious. And I think that at that point in the story, she doesn't have as much empathy for others as she does later on in the series. I'm sure Ranka and her giftnever crossed Sheryl's mind.

I could easily be mistaken, but I think this is the second one she's done. The first one was a while ago, and she DID do it herself. There was some kind of contest where you could make your own custom VF-25 and send pics of it to Megumi. She'd choose the one she liked, and then meet with you. You'd give her your Valk, and she'd give you hers. So maybe...this isn't one that she built...maybe it's the one she chose...? I dunno.

I thank you, too. I'm still planning to post the rest of my essay (with added information, more detail, and 27 8x10 color glossy photos with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what it's for...um, I mean, jpgs illustrating who wrote what for SDF Macross and for Frontier, as well as a list of all the Bandai Entertainment Bibles). Although if you rather I didn't, that's fine, too. Thanks for supporting those of us who did the research, and thanks for communicating! (unlike SOME people I could mention... ) You have a great site with great members, and you should be very proud of it. (By the way...Graham, Iker...since I've got both of you here now...would it be possible for US to get that Minmay Doll smiley that's at Macross Generation? I've fallen in love with that thing!)

And no real insults to RTfanPlus himself here, but: Yee-haw. That JamesBond77, what a superior intellect. Really makes his points with logic and reason, and makes Macross sound so inviting and wonderful. Calling everything that one dislikes "gay" or "homo" makes him sound NOTHING AT ALL like an irate 10-year-old, does it? If he's trying to speak for Macross fans, I wish he'd stop.

Hmmm...I think Isamu pretty much called it when he saw Guld looking smug. What was it? "But YOUR ten fingers are okay? Twenty, if you count your toes. Maybe you even got up to twenty-one...?"

Calling RT fans a bunch of vulgar names does nothing to help the cause.

Which makes it different from the first one HOW exactly...?

Oh believe me, I know. But being here at MacrossWorld, and debunking Shaloom is one thing. It's all relatively distant from most of the members here. Going to AnimeSuki, where nearly everyone really believed his "information," was rather different. But after a period of adjustment, everyone kind of got on with their Macross-loving ways. Going to the guy's own forum and calling him out has been something of a shock for me. I've been feeling like Shaloom's sparring partner for a while now, admiring his inventiveness and his cleverness at knowing pretty much exactly which sources to cite, knowing that very few people have access to them (when he didn't invent them outright, that is). But to find a large group of people who really admire him and relied on him for exclusives (and apparently it's not limited to Frontier...he did similar stuff for Macross Zero, including supposedly interviewing Kawamori himself. I have my doubts, but who knows? It could be true), it's pretty disheartening to see how much damage one man's desire to be the Master of Macross can cause. Thankfully, Shaloom's silence has made the pill a little easier to swallow for everyone, as I think they were expecting him to come out, guns a-blazing, to put me in my place. Instead, he's hanging out in the Veteran's Clan Forums, resolutely not visiting Macross Generation at all, and that's pissing a lot of people off.

Hell, they made her pretty useless IN the first generation (and annoying as all git-out).

I can't speak for other people, but I'm certainly not. On the one hand, I searched for this stuff for months, I bought books and magazines I wouldn't otherwise have spent money on, just because he said there was material that I wanted that was in them. I translated (and am still translating) a bunch of stuff I wouldn't ordinarily care too much about, just to get evidence. I have wasted a lot of time trying to find stuff that didn't exist, and then wasted more time gathering evidence against Shaloom. Yes, it was all of my own free will, but bishopcruz and I saw a mess that needed cleaning up. Luckily, others thought it was worth cleaning up as well, and have lightened the burden considerably. So personally, I get a great deal of satisfaction out of seeing the fruits of our labor. Even in the world of the internet, reliable information about Macross (and yes, I know it's just a cartoon) is difficult to come by, and someone who is delieberately trying to muddy the waters should be called to account. But... Someone there sent me a rundown of the history of Macross Generation. Shaloom started it, gathered the staff, and turned it into THE Spanish-language forum for Macross. He really is a hero to many of the members there, and the idea that he deceived them is a particularly nasty blow. So for the forum and its members, I feel like a total shit.

It seems things are moving apace at Macross Generation. Shaloom has been avoiding the forum for nearly two weeks now, but still frequenting other sites. He hasn't even responded to the other mods' emails. They've started a new topic to address the issue. He must know that he's only increasing suspicions and doubts...which should lessen any hostility I might face over there. Anyway, I posted that I think Macross Generation is a fantastic site (and it is), and that I'm happy to wait for Shaloom. It won't stop me posting my essay over there, but he can take as long as he wants to respond to it. I don't mind.

Yeah, I think my original post was a little unclear, but that's what I was referring to. "I love Guld...but I love Isamu even more." I'm not sure Myung knew that herself until she was told.

At least, that's what I thought you meant by "Ghost Writer"... http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?...mp;#entry752334 And no, Shaloom seems to have always insisted that Ohnogi was the credited writer of the last clutch of episodes.