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Umm...I'd still like to think that his motives were pure and he was just shocked by the vehemence with which some of us rip into RT...but the hostility he's shown in return make me a little sorry that I was defending him. It's like showing up at a Bill O'Reilly forum, start posting about how much you like Keith Olbermann, and get pissed off because everyone starts attacking you. To go by what he told me, he really didn't KNOW that there was a Macross/Robotech divide, but it's been a day or two...he shold've learned by now. Add to that the twaddle about making him sit in the back of the bus, and...well...what can one say to that? It's patent nonsense; nobody is stifling him, nobody is banning him, nobody is oppressing him. We're arguing with him, sure, but hell, it's a MACROSS site. We (generally) like Macross. We (generally) don't like like Robotech. If he's not even going to consider where he is and what the ground rules are, and just argue that we're turning him into a second-class citizen, well...again, what can one say? All it's going to do is build up enmity and resentment, for him AND for us. And what's the point of that?

*gasp* You...you're Hitler, aren't you!

Well, Michael did say in episode 4 that Klan's genes are messed up...so I think there's your answer.

"Back of the fan 'bus'"...? Are you comparing yourself to Rosa Parks?

At the same time, look at how long it took some of that stuff to get out there. The comics were out there first, as the the series was still running. But it really took forever for the toys to reach the shelves. I was getting cheap Arii and Imai Macross models before the "Macross Saga" had even finished, and I think the first official Robotech toys I got were on Christmas 1985..because they simply weren't around before then (they weren't very good, either. Destroids painted wonky colors, "Joke Machine" egg Valks, and an SDF-1 with all the missiles taken out). The novels didn't start until a few years later. During 1985 and '86, it felt like a real drought. Luckily, Little Tokyo was about a twenty-minute drive from my house, so I could get more models (the toys were more than my parents were willing to spend), and I liked getting stuff that said "Macross" instead of "Robotech." But if they'd had GOOD toys, I would've bought 'em. (And yes, I did get a bunch of the "Robotech Defender" model kits. But the early ones were tough, because the paint schemes and decal application instructions were all made up by Revell. Later, they got better, but there was less guesswork involved if I got the Japanese ones. Plus, for a while, there was a toy store near my house that had a TON of Macross, Orguss, and Dorvack kits for, like, $2.50 each. So they were cheaper than the American ones, too.)

Cripes, VFTF1, have the Obsequious Toady of Harmony Gold badge... You're earned it.

Seto really DOES seem to become something of a lightning rod for RT fans. Sure, he's blunt, but he's just as blunt about, say, Macross 7, and I don't see the Mac7 fans getting in his face about it. Leaves me kinda confused...

Well, that's certainly one way to quiet things down in this thread...

Angel's Paints was written by Mari Iijima herself. DYRL was the only Macross song written by Kato (and he wrote the music, not the lyrics).

Ah, it's great. Some people took Gunbuster, Flashback 2012, and Love, Live, Alive and turned it into "Robotech III"! With Noriko as Annie and Amano as Minmay. It's pretty funny once you get into it. You CANNOT be serious. Have you read all of Pizza's posts? And compared them to all of Einherjar's? Einherjar actually CONTRIBUTES to the converation here, Pizza derails every thread with accusations and threats. And Memo is a MODERATOR. Seto and Einherjar are not. If this thread upsets you so much, there are THOUSANDS of other threads to check out here. Why not try those?

Well, that's the one that seemed to be the most...personal, shall we say. Me, I'd just lay it all on the table and call it, ROBOTECH: Purple Alphas vs. Robot Torsos (with special guest star RICK HUNTER!!!).

Number 3? Whatever, the REAL Robotech III has already been made...and it's got all your favorite Macross characters in it! http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category...6991197DKyHqgMB

Well...it's probably the closest thing to the way of the future if you're a Mospeada fan...I'm not sure why "Macross Saga" fans stick with it, though...

"Mommy, that man over looks JUST like Kaifun nii-chan, doesn't he?"

I remember when they changed it from VHS and DVD to DVD only...since I didn't have a DVD player at the time, that put me out of the running. I didn't end up getting the set until Fall of 2001, when they released the three three-disc sets...but I devoured that set, watching the whole series in the space of about a week.

Ernest without Jim Varney??? Why, oh why does Hollywood insist on completely wrecking the classics???

Yeah...I'm beginning to stop laughing at him and starting to feel pity. He seems like a deluded kid who's mistaken our shaking our heads at his childish antics for some kind of...I dunno, fame? Infamy? Anyway, it's kind of sad.

You'd think he'd be smart enough to learn that none of the threads here are private, and can be viewed by anyone, whether logged in or not. But if his life is empty enough that he has to make it interesting by pretending to be some kind of superspy crossing enemy lines, who are we to deny him his pleasure?

So...the Fire Valkyrie, Blazer Valkyrie, and Messiah Valkyrie don't count...? Not only Macross fans, but Macross CHARACTERS call them all "Valkyries."

That too.

:lol: (At least, I think you're being sarcastic... )

They do have their own designations, but "Valkyrie" is always used as shorthand for all VFs in Macross. So yeah, the VF-17 is still a "Valkyrie." Is this a Robotech RPG...? No offense, but's considered bad form to take from Macross to plump out Robotech. It's not as bad as, say, taking Macross Zero clips and adding "My Time to Be a Star" over it, but still...it's frowned upon by most fans, Macross and Robotech alike. EDIT: DAMMIT! Ninja'd by Azrael AND jasonc...? My reflexes must be slow today...

Y'know, ever since Capt. Donovan compared Macross/Robotech to Start Trek Original series/spin-offs, I've been trying to think of a more accurate real-world analogy...the only one I can come up with is not widely useful, but I think is similar: Lady Murasaki Shikibu's The Tale of Genji in English translation. The first "full" version of Genji (generally considered the world's first novel), published in 1922, was very free, cutting scenes (and even one whole chapter), amplifying other scenes, and changing character's names and personalities. It was more than fifty years before a faithful translation appeared, but many people who *thought* they had read Genji were rather shocked by all the differences. Now, some people prefer the 1922 version, but pretty much all scholars agree that the second (and now third) version(s) are much more faithful to the original text. The 1922 version is kind of interesting in its own right, but is not very useful if your goal is to read the actual Tale of Genji. But the problem is that there are MANY people who have only read the 1922 version, and there's a lot of stuff that they think is in the original that isn't really there. I've personally talked to someone who was praising Murasaki's inventivenes, since he thought one of the characters basically was Hamlet, 500 years before Hamlet was written. But this guy had only read the 1922 version...in the later translations, the character is not so Hamlet-like. So...he was praising the author for the translator's invention...a Hamlet character made 500 years AFTER Hamlet. Except of course, for Robotech, a situation like that would be reversed, since a lot of Robotech fans will lay all praise on Carl Macek, even for things that were not his creations...but other than that, I think the analogy holds. So yeah...it's all happened before...let's hope it doesn't happen again.

I'm way ahead of you: http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?...st&p=797540

True. Some people here have raged about it, some people have luaghed; I always figure if they want to run their own website that way, that's up to them, but the whole thing always made me shake my head in disbelief. No one really grappled with it soberly, seriously, and reasonably before. And it's good to see it being addressed.