Chronocidal

<darthvader>Noooooooo!</darthvader> As long as they redesign it to remove the speaker boobs, maybe... but I really hope they stay away from anatomically correct mechs this time. Hmm.. VF-24... Actually, that could fit with the VF-25 as a home-grown valk. Say the VF-24 is used by the UNG, but they don't want to manufacture them for all the fleets. So the fleets play with the design, and come up with their own variant. Could be similar to the relationship between the F-16 and the Japanese F-2. Almost identical designs, but with the F-2 being built independently, and with several changes in the design.

I really hope this doesn't turn into some thing where they discover the bugs to be semi-intelligent, the UN Spacy wants to wipe em out, and the colonists want to protect them. I could probably deal with that though.. just as long as no one is flying and singing at the same time. Fortunately so far, all the ships we've seen have been armed with real weapons, not rocket-powered subwoofers.

I'm pretty sure they're not the same person, since there's at least one picture of them walking past each other in one of the trailers. Different eye colors as well. Speaking of eyes though... are they so far in the future that most people have developed square pupils?

Remember, there is at least one custom paint scheme.. the Roy-ish VF-25 has that skull logo splashed fully across the top of the plane. Now that I think of it, I wonder if they're going off the example set by Mac7, at least in terms of defense. Mac7 was completely separated from the military for some time, and had to drum up it's own defense force. After that experience, it would make sense for each city ship to have a local defense group in case contact with the UNG was lost. As for the VF-171s, I'd guess they're the main defense force for the fleet, garnered from refurbished military hardware. The VF-25 might actually be a home-grown fighter, designed and built by the colony. If the VF-171s aren't holding up well, and the UNG can't spare any newer hardware, the fleets may have taken matters into their own hands, and started designing/producing their own defense fighters. The SMS logo may actually be for the company that designed the fighter. It is pasted on the plane in quite a few places, looking almost like an advertisement more than an insignia.

I'm not sure it'd be possible for it to be her, considering Mac7 was a colonization fleet.. my general impression was that those kinda stayed out in space, unless they didn't find any place to settle. Now, if they didn't, and Mac7 eventually returned to Earth, I guess it's possible. She could have become a pop star there, and started traveling, but I think touring several interstellar fleets would be one hell of a trip. Personally, I think it'd be funnier if the fleet officer was actually the flower girl, and Sheryl was her younger sister (haven't checked the names recently, so don't know if that's possble or not).

He's not the only one. Think wings flapping down. You want a real fun one, try asking him how it affects Dutch Roll. And no, it's not a pastry. Your head may explode in a horrible cataclysm of math.

I know this is probably out of place, but given the current conversation I find it amusing.

Hmm... just a thought, do we know for sure if Sheryl is real? That glowy ghost shot reminded me a little of the way Myung generated Sharon. Considering how relatively prim/properly dressed the character is shown in all the other available pictures, I wouldn't have a hard time at all believing the fan-service version is a simulation. Not betting on it, but it would explain the glowy shot. As for fan service though, I think it goes a little farther than some may have first thought.. Anyone else notice the thigh-highs, and riding crop?

I'm an aircraft fanatic first, and this'll go nicely next to my YF-23 display model. So, really, I don't care as long as it looks good in fighter. Btw, anyone else notice the fold booster attachpoints on the back plate?

I think Hasegawa left that hole open so people could use the Macross display stand set they put out.. there are a couple of extra parts included that slip into that rear area for mounting. (given the recent conversation, I can't believe I just said that.) Aerodynamically speaking, that whole rear area is a bad deal, since it's not streamlined at all. So I guess the question is, why else would it be there, except to make room to store the feet/legs? If it wasn't needed, it probably would've been streamlined in the original design. There could have been a fancy sliding cover for it in "reality," but that probably would've been too complex for a toy this size, and it's not even in the anime to begin with.

I think I've seen at least one display where people mounted a load of missiles on white wire pipe-cleaners, and displayed them around a 1/48 GPB.

Actually, continuity is one thing that has bugged me for a while, across all the series. Which is canon history in the Macross universe, SDFM, or DYRL? The reason I ask is because we see a sort of mixing between styles of equipment, mecha, and characters. While it makes sense to update things to look more futuristic than SDFM, it's confusing in a few cases, Exedore being one of them. For instance, in the M7 episode where they have Basara dressed as Hikaru, he's got a DYRL flightsuit. Are they imitating the movie since that's what people in that generation remember? On the other hand, didn't Milia use her old SDFM flightsuit in a couple episodes? In terms of flightsuits, the only ones without the big shoulder pads and extra arm/leg equipment are the original SDFM ones. Even Zero had the shoulder pads (which made very little sense to me.. they should've had modern combat gear ). Are they trying to retroactively treat DYRL as canon?

Hmm.. so that's why the intakes looked so strange on the VF-25.. they're dual layered, with a splitter plate across the middle.

As far as leg room goes, I'm more concerned how you could fold the lower leg fins in, on top of the engine, combined with the missiles... I think the only logical way for all that to happen is some sort of portable hole they invented, or maybe a portal system (awesome game btw). Leave one portal on the ground, another on the plane, and you have a ground-launched system firing from an aircraft. Realistically though, I don't see why the engines have to be so huge anymore. There are good sized internal cavities in many aircraft not used for anything.. they're just left empty to save weight. As engines get more powerful, and probably smaller, the effects of overpacking an aircraft with heavy objects would not be as great. Shoot, the engines on the YF-19 could already reach near orbit in less than a minute. I magine by this point they could probably have shrunk those engines considerably.

For a high res logo, I tried tracing the image and enhancing it, but I can't tell if the layers are right for the underlying blue letter f. Color is a little off too. But I imagine a decent sized logo will come out very soon.

So far there's been two clear pilot characters, the Roy substitute, and the bluehair guy. There's probably a third for the Hikaru-like scheme, but I don't know if we've seen him yet. Since the scene changed after the transformation though, I don't think the VF-25 firing upwards was the blue striped one. It may have been the yellow one. Looking at the pilot's helmet might give a clue, since we've seen two (maybe three) separate styles of flight gear. What I wonder about is why so many styles of flight gear? There are three at least (the VF-171 DYRL looking suits, the yellow and black skull-type guy's suit, and the type of gear worn by blue-hair), and the Roy-substitute looks more like he's wearing an EVA plug suit than a Macross flight suit. Makes me wonder if he isn't some rogue element/pirate not affiliated with the UN... how they would get such good planes is beyond me though.. maybe they're special forces (Diamond force had different uniforms) ? Btw, I'm referring to the Newtype scan a few pages back. The red VF-25 in that shot also looks like it has a DYRL style pilot from the shoulder pads. As for the VF-25, it has ventral fins on the legs like the VF-1, although they're slightly bigger, and look to be shaped similarly to the tail. I'd think of them as a hybrid between the VF-1 and SV-51, which had almost twin fins in the rear. The VF-25 keeps looking more and more like a crazy blended version of every Valk ever made. I'm just glad they ditched the huge ankle cuffs from Mac7 in favor of something a little more streamlined. I can't wait for the line art for it to come out.

I need to stop reading everything about this game. I loved AC4, 5, and 0, and it just hurts not being able to play it. I keep holding out hope that since MS got the license on their system, they'll try a PC version. I'd be willing to fork over quite a bit to play any AC game on a PC with a full joystick/throttle/rudder pedal setup. Probably not likely though PC flight games get raked over the coals if they aren't real enough.. but I'm tired of consoles getting all the fun flight games, while PC's only get rivet-counter sims. There hasn't been a good fun-oriented air combat game on the PC since.. well, I would say X-Wing vs Tie Fighter or Freespace 2, but those are in space. There have been lots of sims with multiplayer, but the majority of them are WWII era. I know Novalogic had a series of multiplayer games with Mig-29s and F-16s, but that was 10 years ago now. I've tried coming up with more reasons to get a 360 than this game, but I just can't justify it yet.. hopefully somewhere along the way, I'll have the spare cash and boredom to get it. Btw, if it's anything like AC0, you should be able to unlock the schemes in free mission mode.

Lol.. you didn't see this one did you? VF-1S Really, that one was ridiculous, and shrinking things down really does help the strength. But as for them coming in kits with a pre-determined way of putting them together, I really have to disagree with you there, but, yep, it is getting off topic. My main concern with Bandai kits was the polycap joints, but it's true, the kits I have seen are much older, so they've probably gotten better. Hopefully they'll give this same treatment to any Macross kits, and they'll have sturdy joints to hold them together. I'm not so worried about internal details, but I guess what it boils down to is that I hope they don't overdo it, and make it overly fragile/complex. Considering the size comparisons, they could probably do a 1/48th Valk easy, with roughly the same amount of material as the average PG Gundam. Bigger would be better in this case, since the plastic is light enough not to get too heavy, and the extra room will make the joints bigger and tougher.

That's a beautiful job, the scheme really fits that plane well. I agree with the idea about the darker parts on the legs, but I'd compare it to the CF SV-51 pics just released.. they would look good dark, but blending them with the camo pattern would work just as well. Only big difference I notice is the overall amount of blue being less on yours, not in the amount of patches, but in the size of them. It'd probably be tough to add more now though, so don't risk it if you like it the way it is.

Just for the sake of argument, there is plenty of detail you can reproduce in a model. The problem comes when you try to make it transform and be detailed at the same time. I ran into this problem when I tried to build my 1/18th VF-1 with Legos. I've seen dozens of giant sized Lego Gundams, and they all work beautifully, but only because they have tons of room for the internals, and they're built like tanks. Gundams have no problem with giant exposed hinges, pivots, and joints. They build a strong internal structure, then cover it with armor that isn't necessary to the structure. A Valk is the other way around. Since it's an aircraft first, the shape is dictated by aerodynamics, and there's very little room to spare. When I got to the point of putting that Lego VF-1 together, the structure just wasn't strong enough to hold it's own weight. There's very little room for extra structure to hold it together, and for the joints to have any hope of keeping the arms on, they took up the entire internal space. This is why 99% of aircraft transformers wind up with huge honking limb structures hanging out in aircraft mode.. there's no room to cram a decent structure into a frame the size of the aircraft. It isn't that bad in smaller scales, but looking at the 1/48 VF-1 should explain why you're not going to find much special internal stuff like the Gundams. A Valk can't have an internal skeleton in the normal sense, since things have to transform, and move around a lot. The arms contain the hands.. that's realistic, you could detail up the internals of the arms if you wanted, but now you're talking hydraulic pistons that are probably millimeters in diameter each, and they have to function, or the hands won't have room to retract. The legs on a Valk are solid engine, and there's no way you're going to get an engine modeled inside the legs and still have room for any type of knee, hip, or foot joint that'll support the leg. Forget any type of landing gear as well. The only reason the main gear on the 1/48 VF-1 work is because they fold directly into where the engine would be. Try reproducing the complex twisting hydraulic mechanism those gear would require in real life to fold flat underneath the engine, and they'd snap like twigs in that scale. It all becomes a trade off between detail and strength. Make it too detailed, you won't be able to breathe on it without parts falling off. Make it strong, and you get a Chunky Monkey. Yamato so far has hit the happy medium, keeping the functionality and detail very balanced. But those are toys. Change that to a model built for detail first, durability second, and you upset that balance. Just ask any person who's customized a Hasegawa Valk to transform, and find out how sturdy they are. Joints become a big issue as well, and are one reason I really prefer transforming toys to models. For instance, the 1/48th's joints are ratcheted. Gundam joints are primarily friction based. Ratcheted joints take up lots of space, and have metal parts (springs, gears, etc). They also last a very long time due to that durability. On the other hand, my younger brother has a 1/60th Wing Zero that can't even hold his gun up. Polycaps wear down, as will any friction-joint. Posability is one thing, but when you're talking about joints that hold a plane together, polycaps aren't going to cut it. Transform it one too many times, and your VF-25's nose is going to look like an elephant. Oy.. sorry for the essay, didn't realize how much I'd typed until I re-read it.

Maybe, but I'm going to wait for references before I try anything more serious with this design. Really, it's only the upper half of the plane with intakes added, and it's really low detail. Only took about an hour to make, after all. Besides, I don't want to derail this any further than I already did, anything else will be in the fan works section. For landing gear, they could pop out the sides of the legs for a change, where the YF-19 had it's missile bays. They might even fit underneath the wing roots in this design. There should be plenty of room either way. Besides, the shots we've seen have all be so fast, it'd be tough to pick out the edges of gear doors. That reminds me though, did we ever see the VF-17 use landing gear, or was it always launched from that glowy-pokey-tripod-like thing? It's probably safe to assume they had them, but I don't remember where they were mounted.

I think if they're going to have Megaroad 1 pop up again, it won't be just for a cameo. My guess would be more along the lines of what happened to the Macross 5, or the group that found the protodevlin. Hopefully not catastrophic, so there are survivors, but finding Hikaru and Misa as old grandparents on some distant colony would be just too easy. I've got it.. the Megaroad 1 ran into some sort of crazy plague or something that mutates genetic code, and the bugs they're fighting are the former crew of Megaroad 1! Actually that sounds too much like Star Trek. Really, what I'm half expecting at some point is for someone to discover that there is more to the Protoculture than just super intelligent beings spreading genetic code around.. really, the way humans are traveling all over spreading their race, and spreading culture, they're starting to sound an awful lot like the Protoculture themselves, just without the genetic manipulation.. at least, so far. Go far enough in the future, and similar events might happen again... shoot, you play around with space and time enough, and humans might be the Protoculture to begin with. :?

Probably not that much, judging by this auction.. Ebay Link It's possible he has a reserve on it though.

I think in one way the green beam could be similar to the little waves of energy shown radiating out from the compressor wheels in the first VF-0 sequence.. looks kinda cool, gives the impression of some sort of crazy power level.. but never going to happen. It probably indicates some sort of connection being made between systems.. though how it's arcing in pure vacuum I don't know. In the meantime, I couldn't wait. (note to self: don't mix boredom, insanity, and copious amounts of sugar again) Anyone have ideas of how long it'll take any plan views or line art of these new planes to circulate? (btw, if this doesn't belong in here, I can take it out. just figured insanity is better when shared. I might try transforming it as more pics come out.) Edit: lol.. just noticed why the hips looked funny still in that gif. Someone goofed in the animation, and two of the lower torso sections actually pass right through each other during the transformation. >_<

Judging by the amount of stuff that looks like it's added, and assuming the armored one is a base white color like the fighter mode pic (just with yellow/black Roy-ish markings), there's a lot more stuff tacked onto the armored one ... The armor color looks similar to old TV fast pack green-ish grey, and there are bits of it all over, around the hips, shoulders (shoulders, not so sure, they're the same shape/size as the regular battroid, but not white like the nose cone), especially over the front of the chest. The head even looks like it's got an extra armor layer over it in a helmet shape around the visor. I seriously doubt that much stuff would still allow it to transform. Looks like there's also an added layer of armor over the arm shield. Speaking of transformation though, one thing about this design really bugs me, and it's very visible in that animated gif on the last page.. how do the hips even connect? I've never seen any Valk pull off such a bow-legged pose before. I know they've always kept intakes on the VFs, but by the looks of it, this thing's hip joint would have to be smack dab in the middle of the compressor blades. Edit: K, it took reformatting the animation to 20 sec/frame before I could see it.. but it looks like the hip joint might actually mounted on top of the intake, allowing the hip to pivot outwards, and the tips of the intakes actually can pivot behind a portion of the lower torso. Nice change posability-wise, but structurally that might be tough to pull off for a toy/model. The more I watch this thing, the more it reminds me of the YF-19 transformation, with the shoulders/upper torso moving up and over as the forward fuselag folds to shorten. They just had to add more folds on this one for the longer fuselage to work.