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It is interesting that 13 is the designation for secret and covert operations Macrosses. When you think about it the ship assigned to the investigation of the Varauta prison planet was Megaroad 13. From the Macross 7 Plus Spiritia Dreaming clip Varauta was a top secret confidential mission.

Hibiki was a News Hound he's supposed to be a prick. As said you watch Basara by watching those around him. Particularly Gamlin and Mylene.

Krespy translated the BD material Macross Galaxy launch was 10 years prior to Macross Frontier launch. Macross Chronicle cited Macross Frontier launch was 2041. Given this we get 2031 launch date. Mind you I surprised too when I found out Macross Galaxy was a earlier fleet compared to Macross 7. As for the numbering in the episode 1 opening Macross Galaxy had M-21 and in the Macross Frontier final episode Battle Galaxy had 21 on its decks, 2 and 1 on each arm.

As Mr. March can attest the fleet designations are messy and unified. Macross 7 - 37th Long Range Emmigration Fleet Macross 25/Frontier - 55th Large Scale, Super Long Range Emmigration Fleet Macross 21/Galaxy - 9th Large Scale, Super Long Range Emmigration Fleet Also Shouji Kawamori in an interview tells there are emmigration fleets that are entirely made up of refitted Zentradi ships. So there are more than Megaroads, NMCs and ICCs emmigration fleets out there. Macross Galaxy Mainland isn't a either a NMC or ICC. It launched in 2031, ten years prior to Macross Frontier, yet having the Macross 21 designation. Macross 1 launched in 2031 and Macross 7 in 2038. Macross 25 launched in 2041.

Macross fleets as you will notice never designate Macross fleets with even numbers. The article in Macross Compendium was from the old Macross Compendium which by all purposes canon supported by Big West. The numbering scheme for me did not make sense until Macross Frontier and Macross Galaxy came along. Macross fleets are all Odd numbered. Macross 13 being a secret fleet designation the Macross emmigration fleet numbering jumped from 11 to 15 and so on.

He's a hate-able side character. My least liked main protagonist was Alto. He's like a puppet dancing Leon's tune till the final episodes.

On the other side of the coin companies like Hasbro and Takara-Tomy (formerly just Takara before the merger) are competitive with their Transformers franchise despite ups and downs. Unlike HG with Robotech that is static as hell.

Well I can cite since I don't have the time to rummage through pages. http://macross.anime.net/wiki/New_Macross_Class Since Macross 13's status as a non-emmigration fleet is established by Macross Frontier Novel Volume 4 there are only six New Macross Class fleets. NMC vessels built distributed among these six fleets: Macross 1 has 4 seen NMC in Macross 7 episode 1. Domeless of the protective shell. Macross 3 never seen on screen. Macross 5 has 3 NMC seen in Macross 7 episode 25. Macross 5 was destroyed by Protodevlin Varauta forces. Its surviving citizens and military taken captive, the military brainwashed as new Varauta soldiers. Macross 7 has 1 NMC. The original Battle 7 lost on Varauta. A new Battle 7 was being built in Macross Dynamite 7. Macross 9 was the setting of Macross Generation drama CD. Having a copy and heard it I assume it is not a multi-NMC fleet like M1 and M5. Location the Rim. Macross 11 mentioned first in the Macross Dynamite 7 prequel manga Macross English Anticipation. First and only seen in the Macross Frontier finale as one of the locales being invaded en masse. Only 1 NMC with numerous island ships attached. (Not to mention pricklier than a porcupine) Location the Rim. Remembering from the About Macross Chronicle thread I've read NMC production ended in 13 vessels produced before switching over to the ICC. ICC production started at 2040. Macross Frontier launching from Earth in 2041.

You do realize you're asking me to rummage through the About Macross Chronicle thread , Macross Chronicle Translation thread and the archived Macross Frontier News thread. Probably the Macross Frontier Mecha and Technology thread too.

Macross Chronicle translations and material from the BD. Seriously Sketch where have you been this past year?

Thank you for the interpretation I understand better now. But it still means Tatsunoko lost money on Southern Cross on not being very profitable.

Well as far as we know on screen there is at least one built older version Battle Class post 2040 that is the new Battle 7 shown in Macross Dynamite 7. Now my assumption is the initial production run being 13, if we include VF-X2 Macross 13 even if it does not have a City class to protect. Also noticing the trend with Macross Galaxy. Even if it is one of the earlier Super Large Scale Emmigration Fleets it opted for the next generation Battle class design rather the smaller older version. Macross Galaxy left Eden the next year after Macross 1 left Earth. And given the Macross 21 and Battle 21 designation they did not have Battle Galaxy until much later. We know that by by 2040 the New Macross Class ceased production for the newer and larger Island Cluster Class. It is an assumption on my part that the Battle class generation with the ICC would be more in favor than the NMC Battle class generation. Unless UN Spacy/NUNS really built multiple NMC generation Battle 13s off the books that we even don't know.

Here is what we do know. Using Battle 1, 5, and 7 as a bench mark the original Battle Class attached to the New Macross Class is 1,510 meters. Battle 13 is around the same general parameters but built with more armor. Battle Galaxy/21 and Battle Frontier/25 are stated to be longer at 1,681 meters by official materials. What we know is that by 2040 NMC ceased production, numbering 13 vessels produced, and is replaced by the Island Cluster Class with the next generation Battle Class like Battle Galaxy and Battle Frontier.

Which brings the question. Officially there are 13 New Macross Class or just NMC version Battle Class produced. Macross 1 has 4 NMC that we could see, Macross 5 had 3 NMC, Macross 7 has 1 NMC, Macross 11 has 1 NMC. Given the trend of Macross 7 and 11 plus Macross Generation drama CD never did indicate more than one city Macross 9 has 1 NMC. VF-X2 screen grab That makes 10 NMC that we know of. Considering the trend of Macross 1 and 5 , Macross 3 likely had more than 1. That what makes 12? VF-X2 Battle 13 being the literal 13th Battle Class ship. It is also likely that the Battle Class Lt. Gen. Kim Kibirov uses is a ICC version Battle Class. Which is 1,681 meters to the 13 original producton Battle Class of 1,510 meters. For sanity's sake I'm not including the new Battle 7 that was being constructed in Macross Dynamite 7 to the 13 original production run Battle Class.

Which is true. SC was cancelled because of low ratings. Facts about SD Southern Cross. *Big West was the sponsor *created by Studio Nue and Artland *entirely produced by Tatsunoko So Tatsunoko get production credit only much like SDF Macross TV and DYRL. But mechanical designs are a bit vague as it is said that its sister studio Ammonite was responsible for them. So my analysis is that Big West has the IP while Tsunoko gets credit for production and mechanical designs made by Ammonite.

Now that I think about it Algenicus and Vahalla III could be reconned as part of this secret covert fleet. Also remember that fleet Isamu was assigned to? According to his record his last posting was Outer Space Special Science Force. Nothing of scientific research was Isamu doing blowing up Zentradi. What if it was the Macross 13 fleet? The general perception is that the NUN was generally peaceful despite wildfires here and there. But what if there are threats out there like the Supervision Army? Macross 13 could be UN Spacy or NUNS own Section 31.

What you're forgetting Millia? She was captain of Battle 7 when Max was out to bomb the Protodevlin. Also the original Battle 13 was blown up real good. The one Kim is commanding is a new one.

Krespy dropped this bombshell on the Macross Ace thread. Apparently it elaborates what the Macross 13 fleet is and what Battle 13 was doing on Earth in VF-X2. Macross 13 aka Battle 13 is not a an emmigration fleet. But a secret defense fleet. Apparently they built another Battle 13 to replace the one Vindirance fleet wrecked. This also explains why Battle 13 is directly called Macross 13. It didn't have a City class attached in the first place!

So the reason why Battle 13 is called Macross 13 is because it is not a emmigration fleet in the first place? Here is what we know. There are seven odd numbered New Macross Class fleets. (Macross 1, Macross 3, Macross 5, Macross 7, Macross 9, Macross 11, Macross 13). Thirteen produced NMC or original Battle Class vessels, excluding the new Battle 7. (Macross 1= 4 NMC, Macross 3=?, Macross 5= 3 NMC, Macross 7= 1 NMC, Macross 9 = 1 NMC, Macross 11= 1 NMC) So Macross 13 serves sort of like the black fleet of UN Spacy.

Let me put it this way. What if Isamu Dyson was a pacifist? You get Basara. Thus Basara is portrayed as a Magnifent Bastard. Whatever criticisms characters have of him he always end up right. He's like KR Kabuto Tendou Souji with his "Man who walks the path of Heaven" shtick.

Memo being adamant to the point of baiting, outright misinformation and the fact he's a mod at RT.com makes me suspect he's an unofficially paid sock puppet of Harmony Gold. Sure we give Memo our respect as a given courtesy to every poster but his antics make him loose our respect. Mind you I've faced worse. Far Left, Far Right, radical Libetarians, radical Atheists, religious fundamentalists and PETA wannabees. When compared to them well... Memo's pathetic.

Constant caps lock is not good Net ethiques. All capitals can be viewed as shouting and it makes it difficult to read. Will I classify MEMO as a troll by these alone? Yes because it is a form of baiting.

Memo read it and weep. http://web.archive.org/web/20020803190522/...ents/index.html That is an official statement. I don't see Harmony Gold making official statements like that. Why? They'll be sued if they do and lose. Why do you suppose they didn't use any Macross mecha or character designs in Shadow Chronicles? Again they'll get sued and lose. Go ahead ask Harmony Gold if they own Macross. They won't give you a straight answer.

Nuclear? Don't you mean Reaction Weapon? If this does goes to court I hope the Mech Warrior developer's lawyers brings in Big West representatives as witnesses and the Tokyo court decision as evidence. Just to see the looks on HG's faces.

Well we don't see HG suing Hasbro and Takara-Tomy today over some Transformers. Today Hasbro lawyers will eat them alive. Which shows Hasbro by having a good relationship with their Japanese counterparts are successful. With Transformer Live Action Movies to boot. HG on the otherhand is made of utter fail. They even can't keep a writer for their Live Action Movie project. They can't even make a decent animated feature in the 21st century.