Final Vegeta

Technically fire is plasma Ion Drive is still newtonian physics. I don't see the need of two different propulsions, except for overboost. FV

I am one that likes to make a lot of suppositions and jokes about Macross, but I know when I am just having fun. I don't claim I own the truth, and even I ignore lot of facts happened around the world. In this case though my sources are not "friends of friends", they are journalists. Do you load the weapons of all the army, and you have loaded them since the beginning of the war in Iraq? Do you think that a pilot knows he is not bombing a terrorist building but a school, a hospital or simply a civilian house? How good your first-hand information can be? I gave up with links, I will directly paste it here. If you want internet users, this is what they think: Now that I think better of it, I don't remember Americans feeling sorry, at least that's what history says. US people seems to lack sense of guilty. This user vastly ignores US international situation. 5. International Criminal Court (ICC) Treaty, 1998. Set up in The Hague to try political leaders and military personnel charged with war crimes and crimes against humanity. Concluded in Rome in July 1998, the Treaty was signed by 120 countries. Although President Clinton signed the Treaty in December 2000, he announced that the U.S. would oppose it, along with six others (including China, Russia, and Israel). In May 2002, the Bush administration announced it was "unsigning" the Treaty, something the U.S. had never before done, and that it would neither recognize the Court's jurisdiction nor furnish any information to help the Court bring cases against any individuals. In July 2002, the ICC went into force after being ratified by more than the required number of 60 nations, including Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, and Spain-Russia now having signed, but not ratified. Throughout 2002 and 2003, the U.S. worked to scuttle the Treaty by signing bilateral agreements not to send each other's citizens before the ICC. By mid-2003, the U. S. had signed 37 mutual immunity pacts, mostly with poor, small countries in Africa, Asia, Central America, and Eastern Europe. Threatened with the loss of $73 million in U.S. aid, for example, Bosnia signed such a deal. In July 2003, the Bush administration suspended all military assistance to 35 countries that refused to pledge to give U.S. citizens immunity before the ICC. 6. Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, 1969. The U.S. signed but did not ratify. In May 2002, as the U.S. was unsigning the ICC Treaty, it simultaneously announced that it would not be bound by the Vienna Convention, which outlines the obligations of nations to obey other treaties. Article 18 requires signatory nations not to take steps to undermine treaties they sign even if they do not ratify them. 7. The American Servicemen's [sic] Protection Act, 2002. The Bush administration has been working overtime to nullify the ICC. In November 2002, the president signed this Act, which not only bars cooperation with the ICC and threatens sanctions for countries that ratify it, but authorizes the use of "all means necessary" to free any U.S. national who might be held in The Hague for trial before the ICC. 18. State-sponsored terrorism. The International Court of Justice (ICJ) in The Hague held the U.S. in violation of international law for "unlawful use of force" in Nicaragua, 1986, through its own actions and those of its Contra proxy army. The U.S. refused to recognize the Court's jurisdiction. A 1988 UN resolution that "urgently calls for full and immediate compliance with the Judgment of the International Court of Justice of June 27, 1986 in the case of 'Military and Paramilitary Activities in and against Nicaragua' in conformity with the relevant provisions of the Charter of the United Nations" was approved 94-2 (U.S. and Israel voting no). 23. UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, 1948. The U.S. finally ratified in 1988, adding several "reservations" to the effect that the U.S. Constitution and the "advice and consent" of the Senate are required to judge whether any "acts in the course of armed conflict" constitute genocide. The reservations are rejected by Britain, Italy, Denmark, the Netherlands, Spain, Greece, Mexico, Estonia, and others. 24. Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhumane or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, 1987. Ratified by the U.S. in 1994. In the UN Economic and Social Council in July 2002, the U.S. tried to stop a vote on a protocol to reinforce the Convention. The protocol would establish a system of inspections of prisons and detention centers worldwide to check for abuses. The U.S. claimed that the new plan would allow monitors to gain access to American prisoners and detainees-including, presumably, those held in U.S. detention camps in Guantanamo, Afghanistan, and now Iraq. 25. Vienna Convention on Consular Relations and Optional Protocols, 1963. The U.S. is a long-time violator, by detaining foreign nationals and failing to notify their governments. In 1999, two German citizens, Walter LeGrand and his brother Karl, were put to death in an Arizona gas chamber. When arrested in 1984 for the murder of a bank teller, the LeGrands were not informed of their right to contact the German embassy and German officials were unable to provide legal aid. In 1998, the World Court (the ICJ) ruled that the U.S. had violated international law in the case and asked the U. S. Supreme Court to stay the execution. The Supreme Court dismissed the request. In 2002, Mexico petitioned the ICJ to grant stays of execution for 54 Mexicans held on death row in the U.S., arguing that U.S. municipal and state officials are violating the Vienna Convention. In August 2002, Mexican President Vicente Fox cancelled a meeting with President Bush at his Texas ranch to protest Alabama's execution of Mexican citizen Javier Suarez Medina, who was denied the right to seek help from his government when arrested in 1988. After September 11, 2001, U.S. violations of the Convention multiplied, with more than 600 "unlawful combatants" detained in Guantanamo and elsewhere without charges, denied all legal rights, and held for possible trial before closed military tribunals. By law US cannot commit such things as "war crimes", even if other countries call them that way. Among other interesting treaties, there were: 15. World Conference Against Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia and Related Intolerance, September 2001. Convened by UNESCO (UN Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization) and the UN High Commission for Human Rights. It brought together 163 countries. The U.S. withdrew from the Conference, alleging anti-Israel and anti-Semitic politics on the part of many delegations. The final declaration of the conference expressed "concern about the plight of the Palestinian people under foreign occupation" and "recognized the inalienable right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to the establishment of an independent State and...the right to security for all States in the region, including Israel." 19. Optional Protocol, 1989, to the UN's International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (1966). Aimed at abolition of the death penalty, it contained a specific provision banning the execution of those under 18. The U.S. has neither signed nor ratified and exempts itself from the latter provision, making it one of five countries that still execute juveniles (with Saudi Arabia, Democratic Republic of Congo, Iran, and Nigeria). China abolished the practice in 1997, Pakistan in 2000. 20. UN Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women, 1979. Ratified by 169 nations. President Carter signed CEDAW in 1980, but the Senate blocked it. The only countries that have signed, but not ratified, are the U.S., Afghanistan, Sao Tome and Principe. 21. UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, 1989. It protects the economic and social rights of children. The U.S. has signed, but not ratified. The only other country not to ratify is Somalia. Strange, 6 men own all media of US. How many anti-war opinions do you hear (is it true that in US talk shows you see mostly white males?)? And isn't Holliwood starting the trend of war movies? Is this guy nuts? Are Americans all like him? This is why I started thinking Americans are scary. Does this guy knows Pol Pot was funded by US (and China)? And does he know US and China also insisted that Pol Pot, responsible for killing an estimated one in every five Cambodians, had the right to name Cambodia's legitimate representative at the UN, just because Cambodia was liberated by Vietnamese? What does "for the good on mankind" mean? There is nothing who has gained so much from wars like corporations. US bankers had even connections with Nazis. Also worth noting is the paranoia that brainwashed Americans. The threat of terrorism is smaller than that of committing suicide. Lastly, this guys ignores that his right seriously believe that American superiority should be endless, and the world should be slave of US (new American century). 2-4 million of casualties among civilians in Vietnam... there is a probability that napalm caused some of these deaths. After all it was banned before it killed indiscriminately even civilians. Another thing that Americans should read is what Iraqi people thinks of them: Twenty years of living under Saddam and after ninety days of living under the Americans Iraqi people want Saddam back. This is "good of mankind"? I have read "Dude, where's my country?" of Moore, and I have also seen his "Bowling for Columbine". He may have bias, but he is as good as others as giving an overall image of US... and his image at least looks not so bad. Moore just cannot hate US, he really loves it. Seriously, there is something wrong with US no matter how you joke about it. You say US didn't use napalm in Iraq and Pentagon does. In the first gulf war Bush senior said there were Iraqi forces near Saudi Arabia, and in the second gulf war Bush junior said Saddam had WMDs. It didn't stop there. Bush paid Texan veterans to slander Kerry, at least that's what my TV said. I am not sure my TVs says the same things of your TVs, I am not even sure if we know the same things. Even Moore says Kosovo was a big bombing when in Laos US dropped two million tons of bombs (and Laos by Geneva convention was neutral and demilitarized). Other things just looks unbelievable - is it true the anti-French hysteria? The africanized bees and the French Kerry? The Dead Peasant policy (when you die at work you company takes money, not your relatives)? Well, with the many lies they've told, who can trust Americans now? I trust Moore. He says that Americans have good heart. I want to believe that, I want to believe Americans are good even when they are not watched, and they are stressed under fighting for their lives. The vast majority of Americans, according to his polls, believe in racial diversity. And yet I see those supposed Al Qaeda terrorists in Iraq who abduct journalists and ask something as irrilevant as abolish the law against the veil in France - these same terrorists who IIRC never abducted an American, and are so patriotic they never talk about the liberation of Afghanistan, their home land - and I think they will kill the two French, but they have waited so long. When Al Qaeda got its hands on those 12 Nepalese they were killed immediately. You know what, Al Qaeda is so racist it can only mean there is CIA behind it. Now, I am only worried for my country, I don't want to be offensive, take my remarks just as a positive critic. Like Moore says 14. We must immediately disavow Bush’s preemptive war policy. We need to slam shut this insane Pandora’s box Bush and Cheney have opened—the notion that it is ethical to kill people in case they want to attack us is not the way to relax the rest of the world when they see the Stars and Stripes. You see, I am just nervous. It may sounds strange, but elections in a foreign country are interesting me more than elections in my country. 15. Stop acting like a thief who says “stick ’em up, hand over your weapons, and okay, now hand over your oil.” Just go straight for the oil and cut out the bullshit about nation building or democracy. Sure it would be wrong, but it would be cheaper and more honest—and we wouldn’t have to blow random civilians to smithereens. That's why I like this guy. With a twisted humour you really could laugh of these times. I dream of some fifty years in the future, when the world is peaceful, and we joke about how Bush II to get re-elected (he failed) in the last months of 2004 finally presented us with Osama Bin laden and his dialysis machine. Because, you know, Osama's kidneys stopped working some years ago. Just some hystorical hints: Hitler was elected because he not only blamed Jews, he also blamed communists, and he kept saying Russia was gonna invade Germany. Hitler capitalized on the fear of common Germans. He obviously knew how to act resolute, at first he didn't believe his own lies so he didn't have any fear. German invaded Poland because Nazi S.S. members, dressed in Polish military uniforms, attacked a German customs post near Hohelinden (Hochlinden), so Germans started hating Poland and, when Hitler told them so, they invaded it. If we finally want to say something about Macross, like all anime it lacks such subtleties. This because of history. Roosevelt launched secret military and economic operations against the Japanese Empire, obstructing its only access to oil, rubber, and other strategic resources, then he concentrated the Pacific Fleet in Hawaii as never before, where it would be seen as an imminent threat by Japanese generals. This is how Japanese viewed the war. Of course, they have already invaded China, but Western invaders' image stuck in their mind, and that's why we have Macross. Also, something that Macross won't show is that a war is not clean and self-contained - at least when Americans are involved. 200,000 Vietnam veterans died due to Agent Orange. Even if the war in Iraq stopped now, DU has yet had a slight chance of affecting Iraq veterans. Who do you trust? A United States defence official has said moves to ban depleted uranium ammunition are just an attempt by America's enemies to blunt its military might. or Brief accidental exposure to high concentrations of uranium hexafluoride has caused acute respiratory illness, which may be fatal. Third point: Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power. Benito Mussolini This is another thing you won't see in Macross. UN-Spacy may run all, but it won't wage a war to gain wealth for its leaders. At least, not in the Macross I think I saw. Dunno what Japanese know of fascism, though. FV

Since Valkyries are stated to have Magnetohydrodynamics (MHD), I think this means they have magnetohydrodynamics propulsion, or Ion Drive. Basically it's like a normal rocket except the fire goes out really faster. Besides, the Compendium says pair annihilation is used in what in Macross is called "thermonuclear reaction", so I think anti-matter must be somewhere, even though the possibilities are many. Anti-matter could be used simply to catalize a normal micro-fusion/fission. FV

Even if doesn't need to have the Macross name, surely it can't have the name of another franchise. FV

No offense, but while forums, chats and newsgroups may spread urban legends, usually internet has a form of counter-culture TV won't give you. And when all the world is telling the same things, I think it's not CIA doing its usual misinformation and terrorism. Forgotten History, the real history of US foreign policy. And you'd better see this, the first plane FV P.s.: well, I agree this will ruin the thread. Anyway, I can give any URL you want to demonstrate my arguements. Maybe I can find even something in Italian.

LOL, I've saw your budget for Military Medical/Trauma Care Technology as planned in 1999: http://www.dtic.mil/descriptivesum/Y2000/D...2E-R-1%2318.pdf But I think I am mistaking something... Anyway, stupidity is thinking a plane can destroy a tower. In my country it didn't happen. Did you wonder why so many rescuers died after 9/11? FV

True, that's why it's called Aquarian Age. It won't be Macross because it doesn't have the Macross name. Branding. FV

Aquarian Age = Sousei no Aquarian. They have the same name, usually this provokes copyright troubles. FV

What I know is that Aquarian Age comes from a card game... I'm still wondering how Kawamori managed to stick mecha in it... Anyway, Kawamori's would not be the first Aquarian Age series. FV

From another thread: >EXO< shouldn't be shocked, Americans don't use internet as a source of information. I am very sorry, I don't have seen these drops. I have seen genocides, though. (Google) Vietnam, outside war Vietnam, war (Google) Iraq, killing without war Just a simple question: why do you use bombing to get rid of terrorists? Terry Jones's (from Monty Python) guide for fighting terrorism (Google) First, it seems you actually used napalm in Iraq Then, some CRUDE images about why people complain about uranio shells in a country where sand and dust is everywhere (Google) This experience teachs why people complain about cluster bombs Then, what you won't ever hear in TV: Killed Iraqi civilians and both killed and wounded US soldiers How your buddies do If you think it's not enough I can go on, but the thread is turning nasty and I think I should really stop even if I don't have said the worst. FV

No offense, but in real world only few people would care about this. 'Indiscriminate effects' was one of the reason napalm was banned in 1980 by Convention of Geneva, but napalm is still used today. FV

And has anyone here heard of carbon nanotubes? By theory the most resistant material possible, and also very light. No wonder in Macross someone uses hypercarbons. FV

Contrary to what I thought, the turrets with three bumps could also be energy guns (maybe lasers). Anyway, I do think Compendium's stats are referring to Movie instead of TV series. FV

I have also said surreal imagery. Something like an event depicted in false colours which ignores time and space (dilatation of time was typical of anime because it was born mostly from production costraints). While "walking on air" metaphor predated television, it was not made for the medium cinema, because gravity is expected to keep actors near ground; other way would look strange, even in anime. FV

That was said before Macross 7. I thought I've heard he actually saw it after Macross 7 was already on production. Kawamori took his concept from being an idol fan, more than expressing something similar to a Tomino theme (which he wanted to do, but without plagiarizing). It is worth to say that, while newtypes surely were not thought for Macross, Hikaru and Minmay's meetings do have some surreal imagery which clearly referenced newtypes (i.e. floating in the air. For Max and Milia it's the same). FV

I feel it was like Who shot Mr Burns?, there were these two solutions, even the studios didn't know which was the right one, and then authors accidentally mix them According to Macross Design Works, YF-21 Fighter was ready in '93.11, while YF-21 Fighter with gunpods was not ready until '94.5 (without FAST Packs. FAST Packs came in '94.. Also the transformation was still officialized later, while the BDS design was yet ready by '93.11. By contrary YF-19's gunpod was finalized in '93.9. I don't know the dates OVAs came out, but it would seem Kawamori finalized the designs only right before they were needed. That would explain why in the first OVA the YF-21 doesn't have gunpods and the transformation is not clearly shown (well, he chose not to show it clearly even later). Maybe at the time of OVA #1 and #2 Kawamori was still unsure at how a YF-21 with gunpods should have looked from near. Maybe YF-21 was originally intended to have gunpods in that famous scene, but Kawamori couldn't design them with proper details so they shifted the scene centering in YF-19's gunpod with minimal changes to storyboard, and that's what creates confusion. If the gunpod was YF-21's, the scene as commonly intended would make perfect sense. Guld would not be required to be a better hacker than Gamlin, and he could still accuse Neumann of having accessed the facility network of another team (that would really require a hacker). He would still have played the innocent card accusing Isamu of plotting against him. Maybe it wouldn't have sounded believable enough, but Guld is still the most suspected due to his personal hatred, no matter how things went. Someone said the first OVA of Macross Zero was late because Kawamori was unsure on the Battroid of the SV-51 (which in the first OVA was indeed hand drawn rather than CG). I don't know if it's true, but I think this kind of behind the scenes troubles could be plausible. Then I came to conclusion that we were building wrong assumptions on wrong assumptions. The first incident (the BDS one) showed that Guld didn't want to kill Isamu. He wouldn't have regreted his death, but he would not have killed Isamu in a dishonourable way. At least until his Zentradi blood started to boil. He should have devised his "trap" in cold blood, though, so his goal was not killing Isamu; and if it really was surely he would have find better ways than centering his plan on stealing enemy's gunpod, no matter how good his alibi would be. What would his purpose be, then? ********** YF-19 fires a few paintballs. *click* *click* YF-19 peeks inside the barrel. *BLAM* "OMG, THEY KILLED YF-19!" ********** I think what Guld really wanted was Isamu grounded. Expelled. Out of his way forever. He gave YF-19's gunpod live rounds because he wanted at least Isamu showed enough careless misbehaviours to have him out. "Yer olde Gulde told ye, dat man's a jinx, Zents can smell them at two hundred feets away" In fact, Guld surely had confidence in his skills. Lots and lots of confidence. I think the plan he devised really foresaw YF-19 shooting live rounds at him. That would have Isamu getting a court martial, which was good enough. Guld thought a calculated gamble. The first rounds were paintballs, so he knew it was time to get ready. Only a twist of fate (so common in anime) made him firing the gunpod instead of Isamu. Stress regressed him to his Zentradi typical thoughts, so he fired. He still wasn't careless, though. Why did the gunpod stop firing after the paintballs ended? Maybe there was a safe mechanism that, when something strange was happening inside the barrels (like a change of ammunition type) it would prevent the weapon to fire again unless the trigger is first released, to avoid incidents. Guld didn't thought of that, or he wished that Isamu kept firing, or at least switched ammo clip. The only question now is the role of YF-21's severed arm. With a bit of logic the answer is easy: Algus: "The YF-21 was built with a modular structure of self-contained units in mind so that, in the case a limb was chopped from the main body, it could still work following radio inputs. Actually, the limb could be detatched even by the pilot itself. We devised an exclusive powerful combat technique consisting in YF-21 losing an arm which, unseen by the enemy, crawls on the ground until it's able to seize one of his ankles and prevent his movements, and that's when YF-21 unleashes its final blow. This trick was inspired from a small earthly animal called "lizard", which is famous for purposely dropping its tail to foolish its predators and then catching them from behind." Millard: "Actually that's a common misconception. Lizards don't retaliate. Not on Earth, at least." FV

YF-21 doesn't require FAST Packs to attach his gunpods, but in the scene I think they were missing. I didn't note that. It would be strange that YF-19 had paintballs and YF-21 had nothing it was allowed to shoot with, though. Well, it's been really long time since I watched Macross Plus. FV

I am not serious about this But authors choose "fold" over "warp". Macross is filled with intended puns. Anyway, IIRC at the beginning Macross was supposed to be a (cho-)"dokyu" (dreadnought) class ship, but the kanji dokyu was rare and was often misprinted, so they went for "jiku". FV

Err... sorry ^^;;; Actually, it appears that the SV-52 became the SV-51γ. Nope, the SV-52 was supposed to have thermonuclear engines, and I think originally it should have been a new design (whose 3D modelling would have taken too much time). SV-51γ is only a squadron leader version. Thanks again for your hint. FV

Since it can travel at least two machs faster than the Spartan, I can't see why it's only four times, and why it should be meant deploying. A mob of mecha is one of the easiest things to hit from distance, and when a mecha blows it shrapnels nearest things. That's why mecha can't be concentrated in a single point. Besides, usually they must guard several objectives at the same time. When you blow the weakest point you can advance between enemy lines which now must care from friendly fire. Now the Monster can't shoot anymore. Well, obviously one must choose also a retreat path. In space EMC can nullifies radar, as shown in episodes 8 and 19, therefore Monster long range guns would become almost useless. No pistons or gears. Fluid pulse actuators, they work with magnetic fields influencing fluids. Actually, it is master of speed among mecha. Documented. Also, it has the most powerful engines, saved the Monster. Not spec'ed on VF-1. If we assume the VF-1 has it, we can assume destroids have it. Maybe not. I think that's why destroids are cheaper. They were already sturdy enough. Besides, they wouldn't have enough power for it. http://www.anime.net/macross/feedback/index.html Macross co-creator and mecha designer Shoji Kawamori said that variable fighters in general employ surplus energy to strengthen armor in Battroid mode. The designation SW-AG was specified for Macross Zero's VF-0, although Mr. Kawamori publicly described the general technology of energy converting armor before Macross Zero and actually conceived it longer before. These are not energy shields, otherwise you would have seen them. They are internal. I believe they exploit the same energy which runs through the joints. How energy converting armor works is still not known here, I think maybe it uses magnetic fields. After seeing those scene I still think the PPB has punch on its own. Mecha hit with PPB seemed to fly farther than with a normal punch. Therefore there wouldn't be any load on the arm. Since Destroids have 5 times less power, if they had energy converting amor it would be 5 times less powerful than that installed on VFs. The actual design style on sequels and prequels is taken from DYRL?. Micromissile pods are official. I specify I don't know accurate informations on what does constitute standard mass. I made a guess. So? The spartan was BUILT to do such tasks. Close combat is EXPLICITLY STATED in the mech description. Its hands are cited as armament, for Pete's sake! A valk can carry a gun. Big deal. The spartan's got one too, it's just internal. So it's clearly capable of lugging the mass around. It's the same difference between carrying a big weight on your back or in your hand. Your arm will get tired faster than your back. Also the Spartan need to turn its torso to aim the gun, and that makes it a slower movement. The Valkyrie can use its gun to shot down approaching missiles, and that requires speed and dexterity. A Spartan couldn't use a gunpod with the same effectiveness. While the Spartan was built with close combat in mind, no-one built it to really carry external weapons, although it could do it. Jet propulsion and transformation only require power while they are used, not after. The generation of energy is constant, it's a thermonuclear reactor after all (and it employs anti-matter!). Those missiles in Spartan's and Tomahawk's shoulders seem short range micro-missiles. The AMMs should have more range and destructive power because they are bigger. The Spartan also doesn't seem to have anything really comparable to a GU-11. The grenade launcher seems the only anti-mecha useful weapon of the pack, but its actual rate of fire and ammunitions is not stated, even if I think they are inferior to a machine gun like a gunpod. Also, a really complete loadout on a VF-1 includes GBP-1S with 80 between micro-missiles and grenades, or super FAST Packs with 46 micro-missiles plus wing hard point options (it could be another 60 micro-missiles). Reaction weapons standaside. I think they are actually called "standard", somewhere. Maybe not under the word "equipment" but still standard. Anyway, you are making it sounds like that Spartan was born with those missiles build-in. It even dies with those missiles, it never fires them. If you think 80/100 micro-missiles against 24 micro-missiles are nearly equal or only slightly better we have a problem. They may be considered expansion, but they are standard. That's why each Valkyrie type is shown with its own gunpod. Anyway, let's say you need long-range missiles. They won't fit into Spartan's shoulders, while VFs' hard points can hold them. This is versatility. Monster has liquid-cooled cannons, VB-6 has railguns. I was half-joking, but this is pointless. The Valkyrie doesn't have the weapon of a bigger mecha (Monster) for the same reason the Monster doesn't have the weapon of a mecha bigger than the Monster (bigger mecha being the SDF-1). Yes, the recoil and all. But giant guns aren't everything, and they specialize a mecha thus giving it a weakness. Well, originally the question started because one was talking about behemoths fighting battle pods. I laughed at that. Since Valkyries are the main mecha, the one that is seen most of the time, it shouldn't be weird. According to screen time Destroids were worse, though. No one in their right mind would build a battle tank and a jet plane out of the same alloys. Planes, which is clearly what the VF-1 is first and foremost, are made of light materials. Not really armor at all, just a skin to keep everything inside and keep the plane aerodynamic.. And then you do a fast turn and you start thinking you need a stiffer plane. The Blackbird couldn't be so fast if it weren't made entirely of titanium. Tanks are allowed to carry more armor than planes, but mostly they are made of cheeper steel. They simply have thicker armor. Low atomic elements like titanium, lithium and wolframium are known to be light but tough. Heavier elements are softer. Your transformation nonsense. A valkyrie needs more powerful engines because it has to fly, but the engines remain powerful even during ground combat. While on Mars it was deployed for ground combat but in all the series I don't recall it hitting a Regult ever. Besides, what else could it do in space? Aircrafts are too fast for him. Which DOESN'T directly translate to strength. Horse power is measured on how much weight someone can lift up a meter in a second. Tell me what else strength could be. While Hikaru was defeated, the VF-1 itself showed it was able to easily throw Britai, which by the way is not the average Zentradi (he survived an explosion and open space). There are also some scenes with Max in those episodes. Which means what exactly? That's just a bunch of gibberish. It's an energy shield. Which energy? Charged particles or atomic interations? I have learned magnetism, gravity and inertia are the same force. I still have the feeling PPB repels thing that can be repelled, and trash the others. True, but in SDF Macross a Spartan punched a Nousjadel-Ger, and then the Nousjadel-Ger got up undamaged and shot the Spartan. Anyway, even the Spartan is supposed to be damaged if it punches anything. Look at how thin the arm is between shoulder and elbow. That point would be stressed. Thereby losing a fair bit of leverage. If you are a mecha it doesnt' matter. Besides, I think it is not proven a Spartan can kick Throws are more defensive in my book. And what does a NosGer have to do with ANYTHING? Oh, wait, let me guess... it proves destroids are underpowered because they don't stay magically glued to the ground! The Nousjadel Ger has an engine more powerful than that of a Spartan. Actually, I think it's more powerful even than the one of a VF, even if actual power output is not stated (2.4 GGV = 2.4 GW class). The easiness of smashing the Spartan showed by the Nousjadel-Ger was awesome. And throwing a mecha against a wall can also stun the pilot. Kawamori didn't mention Destroids. I would bet you're insane.Particularly with the propulsion pack in the back, the missile compartment in the chest, and the naked upper arms. Three points where the Spartan surely is no better, everything else is added armor to a humanoid tank. A mistery which has been solved. Thanks to Azrael. FV

Maybe it's pointless, but recalling "Super Dimension" as a play of words with "Hyper Space", "Gun Destroyer" seems a play of words with "Buster Cannon", which is the pre-production name of Macross Cannon. FV

I have rewatched the scene. It is not stated or shown that Guld used YF-19's gunpod. In fact, if Guld was staring at Isamu's gunpod, that doesn't prove that he actually used it, also considering the arm shown was severed from the YF-21 and his position shouldn't have allowed him to pick the gunpod up anyway. The truth is that Guld was staring at that gunpod because it reminded Guld that he has not being using a gunpod of his from the beginning of the battle. Guld started with punches and kicks, and Isamu mimicked with punches and kicks. When Isamu started to shoot at him, though, Guld simply blocked without trying to retaliate. This is the evidence the YF-21 had tricky gunpods, otherwise Guld would have used them. FV

The Compendium also doesn't mention SV-52 anymore. I think it would have taken too much modelling another 3D mecha, so he would go for minor changes on existing models ("that one has the reaction engines..."). FV

http://www.anime.net/macross/mecha/united_.../vf1/index.html DESIGN FEATURES: four times the mobility of the Destroid Spartan It's actually "mobility" more than "agility". It makes more sense. I can't find anymore the reference about the agility of the Tomahawk. Maybe it was changed and become unofficial. The Compendium has erased all records of the SV-52, too. Yeah, well they were never intended to be deployed alone. They're always gonna have support when used properly. Which means that if enemy is faster than supports it would easily crush them. I think that's how low tech armies win battles today. What mechanisms? Fluid pulse actuators inefficient? http://www.ecu.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/new/kick.htm You forget energy converting armor, which triples VF-1's armor up to the tip of fingers. If you add too much mass on the Spartan it wouldn't move anymore, simply because it doesn't have the power. Just a note: Standard T/O mass is 18500 kg. Maximum T/O mass without FAST Packs is 37000 kg. Of this, the gunpod and fuel for vernier thrusters should be what compose standard mass. That means that wings could support 10 tons (of missiles) each, which are not peanuts (or whatever word English people use to mean "a light weight"). Also, even swinging the gunpod around shouldn't be that easy, since it should weight at least more than a ton with full ammo. Pferde Staerken (PS) means "horse power" in German (measures differ though, like meters and feet). Even watts could express horse power. And I would consider foolish send my men without weapons, just to see what they could do. Correction: robots can't be properly "naked". You could say an armed Destroid is more heavily armed than an unarmed Valkyrie. Can you see what would be the point of it? The VF-1 has the option of versatility in armament, because of FAST Packs and GBP-1S. The VF-1 can have the weapons most needed at the time. Destroids don't have versatility. Didn't stop anyone from building the monster. It did stop people from building a monster with 178 cm railguns, like the ones SDF-1 has, "just because someone else has it". Now, don't get me wrong on this: the Monster deserved to be called behemoth for its sheer size, but it is clearly not made for close combat, and the fire rate and turning speed negate any hope against fast moving targets, therefore a Monster wouldn't be useful to fight battle pods. Actually, I recall seeing a Regult destroying a Monster. Destroids are cheaper for several reasons, one of that is that the engines are underpowered. Actually, maybe the armor of the VF-1 costs more than that of a Destroid. It could be wrong assume they are made of the same alloys. And if you give your best pilots to your best mecha, you can give your best equipments to your best mecha. Just the fact that it cost you that much make it the best mecha. Well, of course the Monster would be the most expensive, but they are only 3 and they are mostly anti-ship, they are not you army. Agan, document said claim. 17,680 PS translates into about 13 MW (or about 17,438 HP/BHP/SHP). Valkyries have been proven they can. Animation proves you wrong. http://home.primus.ca/~trevor.worthy/macross/mac11.jpg Also, the PPB is not simply a shield. It hurts. I think it is made of superdimensional energy confined in a super magnetic field. Animations says mecha kick with shins, not with feet (there are several examples of this), but you forget throws like in judo. Punching and kicking is not all. Do you remember Nousjadel-Ger throwing destroids in episode 31 (Satan Doll)? Correction: a Valkyrie in Battroid has the same armor of a tank, due to energy converting armor. It is perfectly comparable to a Destroid. I would bet a VF-1 with GBP-1S has more armor than a Spartan. FV

Anyway, the Compendium says about the VF-1 Fluid pulse actuators enable transformation. It seems there are some magnetic fields at work. Maybe that's how the energy converting armor works, with magnetic fields. FV