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12 hours ago, JB0 said:

I have to ask: does it MATTER if Macross 2 is canon or not? The show can be enjoyed without the explicit blessing of the powers that be. 

That is the point of the thread, Dax415 wants to know how to fit Macross 2 into the canon. That is how he wants to enjoy the show.

10 hours ago, jvmacross said:

Meltran ships  are not real?  Or does he mean they are equivalent to the Zentran ships?  That may be true for the SDFM versions (other than color variations)...but they seem completely different as depicted in DYRL......but DYRL is a "dramatization" of the events of SDFM so maybe they really are not different "in-universe"???

Sounds like a question Seto could entertain....

I decided to drop the question after that, and talk about legend of the galactic heroes instead. After I get to know him better I might revisit the subject.

8 minutes ago, jenius said:

What makes you say that? I know it was never finished but I understood that to be related to the difficulty of keeping Mikimoto's attention rather than not generating any interest. Apparently there was enough interest for it to survive moving from one publication to another.

its on life support, as a webcomic. no print volume for sale since 2015

also, very little presence in shops when new volumes were sold. And I went to a signing, where barely anyone showed up and I was able to get ticket 1 easily. after some time where he sat at his table with stacks of unsold manga, Mr Mikimoto left early.

7 hours ago, jenius said:

Maybe this means Macross the First is the next animation project.

Unfortunately the manga bombed badly in Japan, and is not likely to happen

These furoku are exceptionally rare since they were usually built by the kids who bought the magazine, very few exist in collectible form these days.

5 hours ago, Marzan said:

I like the idea of it being a work of fiction inside of other Macross' series. Makes for a troublefree watch without the headaches of continuity.

So far retconing to a in universe fictional account of a historical event, is what they have done for SDFM, DYRL,7,Zero, so I think likely they will do it for II too.

The last time I talked to Mr. Fuso of FANKY企画 was quite some time ago before the COVID stuff. But I specifically asked him if he would be willing to write another Macross Ships dojin featuring other races ships like Meltran or Protoculture. He said he didn't consider the Meltran ships to be real, and had already started work on LOGH book.

2 minutes ago, jvmacross said:

Any idea what happened to the team doing the Macross ships books?  Seems like they have not released anything new lately...

They are working on Legend of the Galactic Heroes next, a truly MASSIVE undertaking

Just now, jvmacross said:

Yes, the back cover indicates that.....I think you have said that you go to comiket....have you met the maker(s) of this doujin?.....they are doing a very good job...

Yes, but not the most recent one, I met them when they did their Megazone dojin

15 minutes ago, jvmacross said:

Thesee doujins are really nice.....looking forward to more Macross issues! 

unfortunately the next issue is Space Battleship Yamato centric

On 12/31/2020 at 1:56 PM, sketchley said:

Agreed!  I like how they not only came up with a new alternate head turret, but also revised the transformation (the parts that become the chest/upper legs).  The way the gun pod is "held" in fighter—not to mention loading a missile on top of it—is intriguing.

I'm wondering how available (or rare) this doujinshi is.

It is current and in stock in most Dojin stores, also, Vol 11 is out now

10年以上もパラレルワールドとして紹介されていた本作だが、『マクロスF』終了後の2009年には複数の媒体で『ゼロ』、『超時空要塞マクロス』、『プラス』、『7』、『F』、『II』まで統一された年表が発表されるようになる^[7]。

『マクロスエース』vol.001　超時空年表、『マクロスアルティメットフロンティア 超時空娘々パック』パッケージ裏面年表、「マクロス・クロスオーバーライブ」パンフレット「The HISTORY of MACROSS」。

Translation

Macross II was considered a  parallel world for over 10 years, but in 2009 after the end of "Macross F",a unified timeline including "Zero", "The Super Dimension Fortress Macross", "Plus", "7","F", and "II" will be announced.

Sources

"Macross Ace" vol.001 Super Dimention Chronology,

"Macross Ultimate Frontier Super Dimention Girls Pack" Chronology,

"Macross Crossover Live" Pamphlet "The HISTORY of MACROSS".

This is where I believe MII switched from being a parallel world, to a fully unified timeline in 2009. As far as Big West is concerned.

DeAgostini would later designate it a separate timeline in Macross Chronicle.

Kawamori would still publicly describe it as a parallel world, in 2013 at the Macross Museum.

So really it can go either way depending on who you consider the the true authority on Macross. Pick whichever one you like better and go with it.

10 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Well, not quite... but the important bit is that Macross II has never officially been in-universe fiction like DYRL?.  That's just a popular fan theory based on the aforementioned cameos of characters and music in Macross 7.  Officially, it's a "parallel world" timeline and has been since the 90's, though Kawamori's stance is "Canon? What canon?".

In this case, it may be helpful to divide it into what BigWest considers the status of Macross II, and what Kawamori thinks. I think they are not the same.

For Big West they consider it a completely valid part of the main timeline. Kawamori does not agree, and thinks it belongs somewhere else where fewer people can see it.

6 hours ago, sketchley said:

You are basically disagreeing just to agree with him, you know.

Yeah, I agree with what you are saying, different words with same conclusion.

When MII was first introduced, it was the official true sequel and actually happened. After Kawamori got back into Macross7 it was retconed to be in universe fiction. At the Macross Museum Kawamori stated that it was a parallel universe. Now, the most current published timelines include MII as actually happening.

Puttting this all together, I believe that the MII anime as shown, was created in the M7 era, based on future information obtained by time travel by the staff of the Macross  Museum. The actual events have not been shown yet, the Characters, Mecha and locations are all what someone in the M7 era created based on what was probably inaccurate and brief verbal information from an unintentional time traveler.

They had a combined Macross Plus and Seven 25th anniversary festival in Yokohama last year. It included a stage play that showed Basara, Isamu and Freyja meeting each other.

3 hours ago, Bolt said:

From what i hear, Basara is still extremely popular in Japan. There is a solid following for the lad

Enough to have a dedicated theme bar for M7. Which was closed due to covid for a while but recently reopened.

19 minutes ago, sketchley said:

Love:  YF-21/VF-22 - even 20 or so years after its debut (in universe), it's still cutting edge.

Loath:  VF-4 - nevermind that it has 3 times as many engines to maintain and  the transformation mechanism is rather obnoxiously complex, the kicker is the shoulders: pilots are probably going to be hammering the shoulder joints hard as they're used to other Valkyries that have a full range of movement on the shoulders!!

I wonder if the VF-4's airframe eventually develops the Valkyrie equivalent of "back pain" due to the postures need to get the arms "overhead". 

 

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I also think the VB-6 would be a pain to work on.  Every time it fires its guns, I'm sure the maintenance crew has to check each and every bolt and fastener to confirm that they haven't rattled loose!

Not just that, I used to work as flight deck electician on a LPH, so I am sure the flight deck crew would have to do a FOD check after every shot that takes place on deck.

Sorry for late reply, I am guessing you had to postpone your trip. Once things settle down I recommend visiting Osaka area as well.

Thanks for the heads up. I will be there for sure. Be glad to show anyone else who shows up around town.

22 hours ago, Shawn said:

The picture of the Imai prototype Tread is in Hobby Japan 12/1983

Thank you, im missing that one, I will have to pick it up.

Very nice find, which magazine was that?

5 minutes ago, Bolt said:

WTF? A freighter??

My understanding is that Isamu spent his life savings to buy his VF-19F/A. And fuel and maintenance for it would be astronomically expensive. So between wars he would need to earn money doing whatever SMS has for him. I do not believe he has matured enough to command a squadron, and I do not think he would want any position that involves responsibility or paperwork. I think he is happiest piloting, anything.

On 8/9/2019 at 7:06 AM, Bolt said:

Awesome. Thanks for that!

On a purely speculative note, what is Isamu doing for SMS? We see him at the end of the second frontier movie flying in to kick some major a$$(is he commanding a squadron here, or solo?)

presumably he’s “matured” a bit and not such a loose cannon, so could perhaps lead a squadron (SMS special forces?) or he could be helping to develop or improve new fighters. But that could be boring for him at this point..

As shown at the 25th anniversary Macross 7&Plus Festival event last week, he is piloting a freighter for SMS.

The in universe date was 2067 August

He looked exactly the the same as the last time we saw him as they reused animation stills. He still doesn't care about following the rules, as long as he gets the job done. He could be doing other jobs for SMS, thats just what he happened to be doing that day.