dreamweaver13

oh yeah, now that you mention it... i thought you were referring to after he was shot down by brera. yup, though it was only for a split second, ranka's song may have woken up alto, much like Hikaru woke up to Minmay's singing.

would re-watching the entire thing count? or is that below our drug addiction threshold already?

well... they did do a combination of singing (a singing admiral to raise morale of the troops) and a space war in the 3rd Starship Troopers movie.

is this in ep 25? we didn't really see him become unconscious, did we?

If at any point in the series, Ai-Kun had rested on or between Nanase's bossom, Gubaba would have changed his name right there and then. oh well, there's still the movie. who knows?

Here's for Ep1. What else did i miss (i'm sure there are a lot). Ep 1 (Broadcast): - Of course, the entire prologue (war against the Zentraedi, DYRL scenes, launch of Megaroad1, space colonization project) - Alto riding the VF25 for the first time as a civilian due to a sudden alien attack, similar to Hikaru riding the VF-1J. - The VF25 Alto happened to pilot is red-trimmed, similar to Hikaru’s colors. - Alto shooting his gunpod at the alien, reminiscent of Hikaru firing blindly at the Zentraedi - Nyan nyan restaurant! - The red-trimmed VF-1 on top of Mihoshi Academy (could actually be Hikaru's original one, for all we know) - Skull team! Ozma Lee is the new Roy Focker - Vermilion team is mentioned as one of the teams initially wiped out by the Vajra - The trash/streetsweeper robot that ranka accidentally tripped over is basically the same robot in DYRL (from morpheus) - i'm sure there's also a soda/coffee machine somwhere in this episode - President Glass sure looks like the mayor in that city in SDFM which houses the macronization chamber which will be stiolen by Kamjin (ok, this is just for kicks. ) what else?

yup, that was in the OP list. you actually called that? cool.

damn your avatar. i actually tried to flick the bug off my monitor. hehe. well, i'm taking it one episode at a time. but hey, if anyone is willing to make a list for any particular episode, that would also be great.

Hory, Froating and Head. 'nuff said.

Ok, just for fun, and without taking sides on the "did they or didn't they?" debate: On one side... avoiding a possible infection from a virus that takes a long time to really have a fatal effect, is not actually fatal until it reaches the brain, curable before it reaches the brain, and treatable even after it does. and when it does reach the brain, you get some special fold powers in the meantime. On the other side... sex with sheryl. ... One happy meal number # 2 please.

That's what i was thinking too. it would make sense because he was also concerned about ranka (he knows that she was suspended). and he tried to call her but couldn't reach her. but it's completely inconsistent with his behavior when he got to Folmo. he didn't seem to be looking for anyone in particular, and he was more surprised than sheryl was when he heard ranka singing.

Ok, here's a question about episode 5 (Star Date): When Sheryl and Alto got to the train after running, and sheryl sat down, alto suddenly came close to Sheryl (much to the surprise of Sheryl) and told her, "I want to take you somewhere." my question is, why so serious? why was alto suddenly so serious, to the point of having to go face-to-face with sheryl? Is it because Alto suddenly had an inexplicable passion to show sheryl the zentraedi island? or is it because he found out in the previous scene that Ranka and Michael were headed the same way?

Vajra Princess, of course.

ok, here's a trollish possibility. what if... it's just going to be the FULL version of the Birdman movie?!

well, like she said, she won't give up.

interesting catches. didn't realize at once. thanks!

Hmmm... now i'm beginning to think that Ranka-Alto-Nanase was the original triangle (with Ranka as the focal point, of course!). thank god sheryl wasn't just a minor character.

hell, it would still beat dying in a zentraedi rain of death. just make sure you get a BIG bite out of that steak. looks sooooo juicy.

so the battle medley is in OST 2?? Alright!! can't wait to get my hands on OST2!

Thanks! I'm sure there's a lot that i missed from ep25 alone. keep 'em coming.

and you gave me an idea... check it out.

Since MF has now been completed (sans the incoming movie), maybe it's time to summarize ALL the little references to SDFM/DYRL/FB2012 that could be found in Macross Frontier - from the most obvious, to the most subtle; from the intended to possibly mere coincidence, let's put it all on the table. i'm sure some of you are embarking on a joint SDFM/MF marathon by now; and as d3v pointed out in another thread, there are some that we could have missed that will only be evident after these marathons. I'm limiting this to only SDFM/DYRL/FB2012 references, so we can focus. if we open this up to all macross works, it'll be kinda crazy (just with SDFM, there's already SO MANY!), and we'll lose sight of SDFM/DYRL. (not to mention, gubaba will keep screaming Bomba!! ) And i think by now we can objectively (and good naturedly) list these references without having to complain and cry out that "it's all references!! no originality!". That ship has sailed. So, let's do it on a per episode basis: Ep 1 (Broadcast): - Of course, the entire prologue (war against the Zentraedi, DYRL scenes, launch of Megaroad1, space colonization project) - Alto riding the VF25 for the first time as a civilian due to a sudden alien attack, similar to Hikaru riding the VF-1J. - The VF25 Alto happened to pilot is red-trimmed, similar to Hikaru’s colors. - Alto shooting his gunpod at the alien, reminiscent of Hikaru firing blindly at the Zentraedi - Nyan nyan restaurant! - The red-trimmed VF-1 on top of Mihoshi Academy (could actually be Hikaru's original one, for all we know) - Skull team! Ozma Lee is the new Roy Focker - Vermilion team is mentioned as one of the teams initially wiped out by the Vajra - President Glass sure looks like the mayor in that city in SDFM which houses the macronization chamber which will be stiolen by Kamjin (ok, this is just for kicks. ) - Nyan nyan's mascot Minmeh looks exactly like a Minmay doll. (from hulagu) - Sheryl's concert being called of due to the Vajra attack just like Minmay's concert was called off due to a Zentraedi attack in DYRL. (from d3v) -The way the VF-171s position themselves (complete with wing verniers firing for stabilization) as well as how they line up their targets to lock on their missiles is just like the opening battle of DYRL. (from d3v) Ep 2: - alto keeps shooting the vajra with his gunpod in gerwalk mode, like Hikaru shooting the Zentraedi in SDFM - Alto, still in gerwalk, scoops up Ranka with the VF's right hand, similar to the way Hikaru rescued Minmay - zero-g love! alto's VF's right arm gets shot and separated, ranka falls (this time upwards), alto opens the cockpit to rescue her. Direct reference to Hikaru rescuing Minmay mid-air in SDFM. - ranka sitting on alto's lap after the rescue, somewhat reminiscent of Minmay sitting on Hikaru's lap in his jet (Hikaru you sly sly dog) - Sheryl's glasses (while in disguise) looks a lot like Minmay's glasses in DYRL, also while in disguise - Sheryl's hat (while in disguise) looks a lot like Minmay's hat in SDFM, also while in disguise (from d3v) Ep 3: - The way Alto and Ranka would meet on the observatory on the hilltop overlooking the city is reminiscent of how Hikaru and Minmay would meet on a park on a ledge overlooking Macross city inside the SDF-1. (from d3v) - alto, sheryl and ranka being trapped in a hold, is a nod to Hikaru and Minmay being trapped inside the Macross in both SDFM and DYRL - maguro buns is a nod to the constant reference of maguro in SDFM/DYRL. in fact, it could be a reference to the fact that in both DYRL and SDFM, Hikaru and Minmay always found a tuna while they were trapped. this time, it just happened to be a tuna bun. - Cathy Glass' (when she rescued sheryl) suit looks like a curious version of the SDFM flight suit. - Ozma getting injured with blood in the cockpit felt a bit like focker getting killed (at the time ep3 came out, we had no idea that a more blatant reference to focker's death would still be coming) - ranka is about to join a miss macross contest! Ep 4: - Miranda Merin shares the same family name as Jamis Merin, the actress who lost to Minmay in the original Miss Macross. In a twist, she doesn't get upstaged by the moeblob protagonist and claims the Miss Macross title avenging her ancestor. (from hulagu) -Alto missing out on the Miss Macross contest because he had to sortie, just like Hikaru (although Alto was at the very least, able to get a seat inside the theatre). (from d3v) -Just as Alto was launching for his final enlistment test, Bridge Bunny Ram Hoa says "Goodluck Skull-4" with Alto replying the memorable "Thank you" ala Hikaru Ichijyo in DYRL when flight control told him "Goodluck to you" at the start of the movie. (from adrianop) Ep 5: - Sheryl's "Atashi to ishou ja, iya?" before her Star Date with Alto, is verbatim Minmay's words to Hikaru just before their date in DYRL. (from hulagu) Ep 7: - When Mikhail covers Alto with the Sniper Rifle as Alto is about to go inside the Vajra warship. The scene of Mikhail's VF-25 firing the rifle is similar to the scene in SDFM where we first see Max fight with his preference for battroid modes. (from grss1982) Ep 8: Ozma handing in the report to Cathy a bit pissed off, and then calling her a nag... reminiscent of a pissed-off Hikaru submitting his report to Misa, while berating her for being a duty-nag, or something of the sort. Ep 11: -Hikaru bails on Misa to go on a date with Minmay. Misa waits for him in vain and feeds the picnic basket to a cute lost puppy. Alto decides to go to Gallia IV with Sheryl instead of meeting with Ranka. Ranka waits for him in vain and feeds his cookies to a cute lost alien larvae (Ai-kun). (from hulagu) Ep 12: - The opening scene is a homage to the opening scene of DYRL. Two zentraedi which look a lot like Britai and Exedole. Both of them are speaking in Zentraedi language, in that typical booming voice, the exedole look-alike is giving a report to the commander. - Exedole look-alike's head/brain also glows, like exedole in DYRL - Appearance of Temjin, the look-alike/clone of Kamujin. - Zentraedi uniforms are the same as the zentraedi uniorms in DYRL - Temjin demands to be given a ship in exchange for the lives of the hostages, including Sheryl the galactic fairy. Exactly what Kamjin did in SDFM. - Ranka singing while on the backseat of the VF25, as Alto pilots. reminiscent of Hikaru and Minmay around saturn's rings in DYRL. - Sheryl looking out a balcony/ledge, presumably thinking about alto and ranka being together. Misa does this in SDFM. a lot. - VF25 crashing, and the passengers seeing some shocking wreckage afterwards. Reminiscent of Hikaru and Misa crashing the VF1, and discovering the wreckage of the Prometheus in DYRL. - ummm.... WTF-1! nuff said. - and right after that, another healthy dose of "Ai Oboiteimasuka". really, SK wasn't trolling everyone. suuuure. LOL - preview for next episode: "first-class generation Macross. Rise of a Legend. Memory of Global". wow, all this remembering the WTF-1 fiasco is giving me headaches. LOL Ep 13: - "Memory of GLOBAL". what, the title not enough for you? - A MACROSS! a friggin original-design MACROSS!! - The number of the pill (639) that Grace was giving Sheryl is the same number attached to Milla's name (Milla 639) in DYRL. - Ranka was trapped in some kind of cage/bubble in the Bajra mothership, with alto trying to get in and rescue her. However, a strong blast drives Alto away, thus he was unable to rescue her. Much like what happened in DYRL where Hikaru (and Misa) was trying to rescue Minmay (and Kaifun) before a blast forced Hikaru's VF-1 out - Sheryl in Michael's VF25, about to take control of the plane from the backseat by grabbing the stick. good thing she didn't; she might have crashed the VF like Misa did. - The exedole look-alike was blown away, screaming "de-culcha!", similar to how Laplamis died in DYRL -Alto almost goes out like SDF Kakikazi on Gallia IV, trying to outrun a fold fault. (from hulagu) Ep 14: - When Alto shouts "ATTACK" when launching reactions missles. It's a direct reference to Hikaru who also shouted "ATTACK" in when luanching nukes in Episode 27, IIRC of SDFM.(from grss1982) - When Alto prepares to fire at the Queen, it's reminiscent of Hikaru about to take down Bodolza in DYRL. (from grss1982) -Apale Genki can missile, similar to the beer missile in DYRL (from morpheus) - Leon scolds Pres. Glass for smoking a cigar, similar to how Shammy always used to scold Cpt. Gloval (and the other dude) about smoking on the bridge. The only difference, Howard at least actually got to smoke his cigar before Leon caught him. (from d3v) Ep 21: - Michael's death scene is a visual homage to the aftermath of Max and Millia's fight in the Meltran airlock in DYRL, with a wounded Max looking on the prone defeated giant Millia for the first time, like a mortally wounded Michael looking on the prone giant Klan in the micronization chamber for the last time. (from hulagu) Ep 23: - Alto reprimands his squad member for breaking the Valkyrie Pilot Jinx (teasing someone about a woman during operations). Reminiscent of Kakizaki in DYRL. (from mechaban) -To add to this, the guy later screams a "death scream" very like Kakizaki but instead it was revealed he was actually gawking at Sheryl. (from wolfx) Ep 25: - "Watashi no kare wa pilot" sung by Sheryl - "Ai Oboitemasuka" sung by Ranka and Ranka/Sheryl duet - Sheryl's stage on Battle Frontier reminiscent of Minmay's stage in DYRL - Quarter's Macross Attack reminiscent of the original Daedelus Attack in SDFM - Ranka's "Minmay Slap" on Sheryl, and her immediate reaction after (then she starts off by saying "oboite..."). And the way they float facing each other, reminiscent of Hikaru and Minmay. - Ranka reaching out to Sheryl, similar to the way Hikaru gave the lyrics to Minmay - Macross Quarter in battle form after the final battle on the vajra planet, reminiscent of the original Macross landing on earth after SW1 - of course, the original SDF-1 Macross in Macross City. duh. - Alto drilling a hole on the wall with lasers to rescue Ranka, reminiscent of Hikaru using the lasers to rescue Misa - Alto's VF25 salutes before the final charge, and Sheryl returns the salute, similar to DYRL. - Alto lining up grace in her sights at the end; similar to Hikaru lining up Bodolza in his sights in DYRL (from taksraven) - As alto poses to give the final blow to grace, sheryl and ranka's image is behind him, much like Minmay's image behind Hikaru in the end of DYRL (from Tcracker) - Minmay's picture in Bilrer's ring - the scene where alto and ranka convince sheryl to sing again could be a nod to allegorical scene at the end of Flashback 2012 where Hikaru hands Minmay back her microphone, Misa holds her by the shoulders like a friend, and a veil drops over Minmay turning restoring color to her life, turning her black mourning clothes into her bright concert costume (from hulagu) - Wilder's speech about the Vajra not being the true enemy and that grace is the true enemy and then inviting everyone to fight alongside him. Reminiscent of Britai's speech in DYRL. -Alto was knocked out for a while during the final battle, until he woke up to Ranka singing; much like Hikaru in SW1, waking up to Minmay's singing (from Redwolf). -Few second into the episode, a Vajra gunship approach Battle Frontier while opening its hull, it was destroyed by Quarter shortly before it could fire, reminiscent of DYRL (from morpheus) - CF pilot uniforms = DYRL pilot uniforms (Also, the uniforms themselves are a mix of designed from previous series. The striped shoulders are reminiscent of the DYRL and Macross Plus flight suits while the chestpiece would fit more in 7.-d3v) ... a work in progress.

actually, i always knew what the concept of "'shipping" meant, but i used to assume that it was short for "worshipping"; as in worshipping a particular character or couple. but reading how much some people are so into their coupling, can you blame me for thinking that worSHIP was the key word?

but they did, didn't they? the vajra converted by ranka's song vs. the possessed mother queen and her remaining minions. in fact, if you recall, the queen fired a motherblast against City 1, but it was blocked by the red-tinged Vajra.

have to watch it again to be sure. actually, here's a thought: did all the key girls in macross triangles sing "my boyfriend is a pilot?" obviously, Minmay did. Myung did. can't remember if Mylene did. Ranka did in the Ms. Macross competition. And Sheryl found a way to sneak it into her medley. is this song the standard piece that everyone has to sing at one point or another? EDIT: OOPS. i forgot. it wasn't Myung who sang it. oh well, that strikes this theory down the drain. So anyway, let's take this train of thought into another direction. so, why did Sheryl just have to sneak "my boyfriend is a pilot" into her medley? well.... the answer is quite obvious, if you take the exact timing into consideration. Sheryl sneaked it in at the exact same time that ranka was all-happy about being rescued by Alto. so basically, it was a message to Ranka that Alto is her boyfriend. sure, i'm helping him rescue you, but here's the real deal... "watashi no kare wa pilot". y'know, just so there's no misunderstanding, ok?.