Master Dex

I know the VF-1 had sliders but the VF-0 had that throttle stick method of transforming. Regardless I think your idea of flipping it up and back down could be possible. They'd need to do the same to return to fighter. As for battroid you need it in an upright position for that control method so that explains why it stays up unlike in the other modes. However a button toggle works just as well.

I like how this discussion is going, I have nothing to debate anyone on based on whats been said now since it is all a different view on a theory. To Wolfx: I said in that post I was basing off of the translation done by Shinsen Subs which I believe to be the most accuracte and their line said it like that. I too heard it differently in other subs that made me think it was only a longer trip sometimes, but once I heard this version I thought differently.

Perhaps push of a button on the stick or throttle... On this subject I've noticed that when using the throttle stick transformation method in the VF-25 (and the VF-0 for that matter), while it is 90 degrees for fighter and straight up for battroid, it isn't 45 degrees for gerwalk like you'd think. It is still just at 90. So I'm wondering what do they do to go to gerwalk instead of fighter?

You know if you read the paragraph after the one you quoted I basically said that as another possibility (thought not about using it for defense, just using it to make faults to sell the new fold booster). I am starting to wonder if some people read all of some posts or just parts of them, , jk.

For ep.7, I got the impression they were just dropping communication buoys in that area before going on to recon where Galaxy was, but then the Kaitos and Dulfim folded out while still under attack and that is why Quarter stopped there to help them. It is later said that Dulfim and Kaitos were sent ahead to get help or something and it was mentioned later that Galaxy had disappeared (destroyed or folded elsewhere to save itself maybe) so there was nothing else to go to. As for the rest of what you said dreamweaver13, all sounds good, I agree. Good additions.

In my opinion it is still folding. The way I see it, and the way the graphic shows in the beginning of ep.6, space is folded over many times to make it shorter (Luca makes a comment about the new fold booster working by reducing the galaxy to a tenth it's size when folding in ep.12) and then punches a hole (the tunnel we see) through the folded space, allowing for quicker travel than just flying though that long expanse of space.

From that maybe one could surmise that fold faults are related to the heavy amount of gravity near the core because of all the stars.. and a giant black hole in the center.

That just makes it seem like when making Frontier they decided to tackle that issue and explain it, which leads further credence to the theory. Good question...

You are just flying into trouble man . However I think Ozma will get super and armor parts so I think I'll still get him.

Oh Graham thank you, I am in engineering/mech heaven.

I have been cooking this up for some time now so I've decided to post this theory. In Macross Frontier we were introduced to the concept of Fold Faults (sometimes incorrectly translated as Fold Dislocations) in Super Dimension Space that hinder the use of Space Fold technology. This is a completely new concept that wasn't said to ever exist in any previous Macross series. However certain dialogue in some episodes lately have made me wonder maybe we have seen the effects of fold faults before but we didn't know they were the cause, even perhaps those in the show didn't know of them. I am proposing Fold Faults are a recent discovery in Macross history that wasn't known about in 2047 (where we last saw a Macross series take place) but was discovered before 2059 (the time of Frontier). I have been a little vague up to now though. To start my theory I am going to go back all the way to the original Macross. Specifically episode 11, titled First Contact in which Misa, Hikaru, and Kakizaki are brought before Bodolza himself as the confused Zentradi try to learn about the miclone race aboard the SDF-1 Macross. Early on in this episode Misa comments that they have been in Fold space for almost an hour and guessed that nearly 10 days must have passed aboard the Macross. This set up since then a fact about space folding that there is a certain time dilation that goes on when one fold travels. Science Lesson for those unaware In reality time dilation is an actual effect during high speed movement and travel but only begins to be truly noticeable at speeds increase towards the speed of light (but not equaling as that is impossible without some type of theoretical FTL propulsion such as space folding) or the presence of heavy gravity. In specific to speeds near lightspeed velocity when something is moving that fast then time relative to the traveler moves slower than time relative to someone standing still. This is all part of Einstein's special theory of relativity and has for the most part been accepted as fact (time dilation has actually been proved at least). Back to the subject of Macross. In episode 11 (ironically) of Frontier (note: I am basing this off of translation done by Shinsen Subs which I believe to be one of the most accurate) when Luca, Mikhail, and Nanase are talking about Gallia 4 Luca says something to the extent of "From the traveler's perspective it will take 1 day to get there, but because of fold faults in the region it will take 7 days on the outside." This has led me to theorize that the time dilation seen all through Macross during folding may be a result of fold faults, however before the time of Frontier they didn't know this and just assumed it was normal for fold travel. To futher add fuel to this theory is that LAI developed a new fold booster that can travel through (or around, I forget) fold faults and negate their effect. As seen in episode 12 Michel and Ranka leave Frontier and arrive at Gallia 4 in what seems to be one day tops (based on the earlier statements I figure it could be no faster than one day of travel) but point is there was no dilation that I could tell or the revolt would have ended in nukes and ship fire by the time they arrived (which was the point of using that booster). So it could be that this new booster is the first time they have found a way of fold traveling that negates the time dilation we have come to expect and allows one to travel without losing extra time outside of fold space. Again of course this is only theory, please comment or tell me if you have anything that goes against this.

On the last page I posted a big theory about the Dimension Eater designed to make Fold Faults and then LAI sells everyone their new fold booster which can go through fold faults but apparently no one liked it because it went unnoticed in two threads, heheh. Maybe it was too big, I did talk a lot. I am working on a theory with Fold Faults and the time dilation we have seen in all Macross series that occurs during folding, but I will post it in a separate thread when I have it written up (meaning when I get around to it).

How did the episode 13 discussion turn into all this? I don't really have anything relevant to add to all this unfortunately.

I didn't watch it but I believe it was Basara/Mylene/Gamlin based on what I've read.

Go back to page 81, first post, pics that show the head looking wide when it looks toward "the camera."

I wrote this in the ep.13 thread but it went unnoticed, however since the subject here is on why LAI would make the Dimension Eater, here are 2 theories of mine. I'm actually starting to think LAI may not be as involved as some of us think. Perhaps they are pawns in the grand scheme just as Frontier is and Gallia 4 was. However I really have to wonder why they would develop something like the Dimension Eater. Maybe Grace's people wanted to frame LAI as a fail safe for their plan if their idea of a Vajra/human war didn't play out. Grace's people make the Dimension Eater, make it seem like LAI built it and everyone gets mad at that company. The only problem to this theory is the actual Dimension Eater device was destroyed in it's own Fold Fault explosion (the Zentradi refer to the explosion as an unidentified fold fault forming). On that note though if you reverse it, there is a very easy way to pin down exactly why LAI would make the Dimension Eater. As I said above the Zentradi referred to the explosion as an unidentified Fold Fault forming. We know LAI just created a new fold booster can that go through fold faults and shorten trips in fold space substantially. If LAI were to suddenly have a bunch of Fold Faults popping up all over the galaxy then their new booster would be the only thing that could allow anyone to get anywhere because conventional folding would be severely hindered. It almost seems too perfect right there. However this doesn't explain the relation to Grace's faction or the Vajra at all and may not have anything to do with it. Perhaps that is why LAI made the Dimension Eater but Grace is certainly using it for the purpose of getting the Vajra and the NUNS angry at each other, not to help LAI's unscrupulous buisness ventures. So I think we still don't have nearly enough information to draw a suitable conclusion.

I want to get Ozma's because I like the color more (though I like Alto's fine) and I prefer an S type head. However I need to know if the super parts will be released seperate because if they only come out later as a set then I'll wait. The thing with Ozma is his will be promoted with Armored more likely than super and I like the armored and probably will get the armor parts for it but I also want super a lot.

I'm actually starting to think LAI may not be as involved as some of us think. Perhaps they are pawns in the grand scheme just as Frontier is and Gallia 4 was. However I really have to wonder why they would develop something like the Dimension Eater. Maybe Grace's people wanted to frame LAI as a fail safe for their plan if their idea of a Vajra/human war didn't play out. Grace's people make the Dimension Eater, make it seem like LAI built it and everyone gets mad at that company. The only problem to this theory is the actual Dimension Eater device was destroyed in it's own Fold Fault explosion (the Zentradi refer to the explosion as an unidentified fold fault forming). On that note though if you reverse it, there is a very easy way to pin down exactly why LAI would make the Dimension Eater. As I said above the Zentradi referred to the explosion as an unidentified Fold Fault forming. We know LAI just created a new fold booster can that go through fold faults ans shorted trips in fold space substantially. If LAI were to suddenly have a bunch of Fold Faults popping up all over the galaxy then their new booster would be the only thing that could allow anyone to get anywhere because conventional folding would be severely hindered. It almost seems too perfect right there. However this doesn't explain the relation to Grace's faction or the Vajra at all and may not have anything to do with it. Perhaps that is why LAI made the Dimension Eater but Grace is certainly using it for the purpose of getting the Vajra and the NUNS angry at each other, not to help LAI's unscrupulous buisness ventures. So I think we still don't have nearly enough information to draw a suitable conclusion.

I've been using Birla lately, but it was once listed Virla in a credit.

The queen didn't die, it just got hit by one shot and got really pissy and then made all the Vajra ships lift off. There is nothing to suggest that queen died.

An external something like that queen Vajra we just met methinks.

I've been saying that is what my theory is. I agree completely that Grace set this up to "spread the hate" between NUNS and the Vajra in order for war. Also considering LAI gives technology to SMS and to Grace's faction it does seem even more likely they are going for war profits indeed. Luca won't be very happy with his family soon.

This is a rather old set of pics I believe, I know I've seen these before (but not in this size so that is nice). I bet they are already well past these in the prototypes (we know they have colored ones). I see what you mean Dio, but I think the knife hand is more detailed just to show off the holding of knife capacity. These sculpts here aren't meant to represent a complete workable toy I don't think.

It's more effective because it is bigger, I'd prefer more of a wrist blade gauntlet type thing which is not dissimilar from what the VF-27 has but as said the one there is more like a sword, I'm thinking smaller. I do like the look of the 25's knife those, if you use it right (like in my avatar) it will work just fine. Also you can throw a knife if need be.

Well the character has never talked on screen but I thought it was said in dialogue and such.