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  1. Master Dex
    They are 4th generation. The YF-29 (there is no VF-29, as no one is going to be able to afford such a thing as a production run of that except Federal NUNS.. and they basically already have something on that level), The 31, and 30 are all 5th generation. Of those 3 listed, the 31 is likely the lowest spec of them but even then they are newer than the 19 and 22 and use more up to date technology. In general, a 31 would probably outclass a 19 or 22, but there is a lot to consider still. The right pilot makes a difference. Isamu in his VF-19Advance likely could still give anyone in a VF-31 a run for their money, except maybe Messer flying the 31F with its fold wave system. And if we put Max in his VF-22.... I don't care what kind of plane you have... there is no winning that fight. That is essentially what the YF-29 is though. It is some smart people figuring out how to bring the simplified version of the YF-24 up to it's full potential (while also designing a fighter than can effectively solo Vajra). The reason the 29 is not produced, as stated above, is it costs the capital of a small nation to do probably... and most of the emigrant fleets are equivilant to a small nation. They still need some money left over for feeding people and buying concert tickets for pop idols.
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    We only have slim details on the YF-24's loadouts as it is, enough to know it at least probably matched the 25, but could be more. The VF-24 could be even more than that. VF-27 while being something of an over trimmed fighter in that only cyborgs can safely fly it is still based on the released YF-24 specs.. which means it likely still doesn't match the VF-24 the Feds would have. Proof of this could be the fact that the 27 struggled to keep up with the YF-29 which really is probably the best guess for how good a 24 can be. As for 30 to 31. We know the VF-31 is made by Surya Aerospace, which implies that the YF-30 data is out there freely. This seems to be legally mandated by NUNS even though the 30 was made for SMS initially as a tech demonstrator, but NUNS certainly knew about it and if they make something that exceeds an existing design (and NUNS Havamal already jumped on the YF-29 wagon by making the apparently improved 29B model so of course they care if they are being one upped) then NUNS probably is gonna make sure everyone is on equal footing at least (except the Feds.. who are still already above that). We do know the base 31A Kairos model is likely pretty slimmed down from the YF-30 capabilities. I am not sure the 31A even has any fold quartz in it. The Seigfrieds do of course, but they are a specialized variant. I'm just assuming now that the 31 in general does not match the 30 for performance because the 30 was all about pushing an envelope just to see if it could. A good question though is whether the design of the 24 is meant to use any fold quartz or not for a fold wave system. Or is it just that much better even without it? If so.. that implies an even scarier idea of a VF-24 variant with one installed that goes even further. I just imagine at this point Federal NUNS forces are looking at all these attempts like the 29 and 30 and chuckling in mild amusement at how cute the colony fleets are being right now, lol.
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    The SMS VF-25 was as full spec as a VF-25 is gonna get. NUNS just wanted it to be performance tested first before mass production started. The fact that it was already a production run, hence VF, means it was done. The YF-25 Prophecy was the prototype Shinsei/LAI produced that led to the VF-25 which NUNS decided to get some outside help with since it was such an advanced mech compared to the VF-171. The reason, as Seto has stated, that this is the case is because all emigrant fighters like the 25, 27, 29, 30, and 31 are derivatives from the shared YF-24 design data NUNS shared from Shinsei. The thing is, NUNS central either did not give out the data to build it to its full potential or more likely the full potential is something most emigrant fleets can't afford to mass produce so the all the derivatives are actually simpler cheaper variations on the basic 'stock' YF-24 design, rather than the proper full specification version. This is what Seto means when he refers to the emigrant fighters as 'monkey model.' Since the YF-29 is the closest any fleet has come to building a fighter that matches the full YF-24 (and by extension the VF-24 the feds likely made) and it was so prohibitively expensive and difficult to produce, that implies that a proper YF/VF-24 is something only the Federal NUNS has the capability of mass producing and while they could spread that around to all fleets, the decentralization means they don't do that anymore and more than likely they are just fine with that. Federal NUNS now knows for sure no outbound fleet is going to have anything quite matching them unless some Anti-UN espionage shenanigans is happening. It also serves as an amusing form of commentary that while all the fleet governments are now autonomous and not bent to the will of central NUNS like in the old days, the people at the top are still very much in charge, lol.
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    And thus suddenly Windermere's choice of resorting to Var mind control tactics becomes a lot more sensible, lol.
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    That just makes me extremely interested in seeing what a Federal Forces VF-24 can actually do if it is anywhere near comparable (or perhaps above) YF-29 stats. Considering all the effort to make this known background information, even if just as a minor tidbit, I am left feeling like a story, even if just a single movie or OVA, focusing on Federal NUNS and the kind of missions they actually do with such crazily powered fighters actually do. I'm picturing the need for the NMC ships and their giant guns to be secondary to a fighter with super powered ECA, reaction engines, weapons, etc that short folds into rogue Zentradi flagships and destroys them from within before the carrier can even charge its main gun. (This imagined scenario is based on what the supposed selling points of the YF-24 were, such as pin-point close range tactical folding).
  6. Master Dex
    That is something I'd be more into. A complete series set without all the extras. I just want the show with its official subs and not in 9 different purchases.
  7. Master Dex

    Bandai DX VF-31

    Master Dex replied to UN Spacy's topic in Toys

    So the August 1st preorder is for the 31J right? No word yet on the others?
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    Becoming a cyborg is certainly the only way Guld could have survived... but I'm just gonna put money on he's still proper dead. Evidence, the famous extra few seconds of the M+ movie edition when he bites it, lol.
  9. Master Dex
    All helpful answers. I presume the Ozma and Isamu 29s are in the game as well since I know they weren't in the Frontier movies (since Isamu is flying a VF-19 there that we see for all of 2 seconds and Ozma just his typical VF-25). Considering that the 29 is so proven, despite its clearly high price tag... and has now 2 prototype models, I could almost imagine that Central NUNS might eventually produce a VF series based on it for special ops missions much in the same way they used the VF-22. I mean.. if they are going to carry the biggest stick after all... Still the fact that the 30 is the only thing that can hold up to the 29B considering all that whilst still being a demonstrator really implies it too is something special. The OCS mentioned is of course a great concept especially since it can change for each mission (and as seen in Delta, there are many possibilities for such packages), but it seems like it really is the Fold Dimensional Resonance system that is the key. It must really top the Fold Wave system. That also really makes me realize how watered down the VF-31 is in comparison though to the YF-30. I think the VF-31 looks nicer (especially the 31A Kairos model), but that is only has a 'standard' fold wave system as far as we've been told and apparently lowered specs compared to the 30 means they really took the concept Super Prototype literally. Though I suppose as the trope page suggests, the 30 wasn't designed specifically to be like the 31, hence the term tech demonstrator. Finally I realized, amusingly, after Seto replied that I posted this in the questions thread which actually works out.. but I really thought I was posting in the mecha discussion thread, lol. Sorry if it got a little too focused there.
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    So I've been thinking about the star valks of the game Macross 30 lately. I recently got a DX YF-29B and absolutely love it. The 29 is already a wonderful upgrade to the 25, and the dark blue colors of the 29B are fantastic (I love dark blues as well, which is also why I'm drawn to Keith's Sv-262Hs). I am actually left a bit wondering about the story behind the YF-29B though. I do own the game, but I have not had the time to play much and have only gotten far enough that I am still flying VF-0s. Thus, while I know the 29B and 30 are important to the game story, I have not personally witnessed it yet and likely I'd have to rely on a synopsis to understand all of it anyway. Anyway, my point is, the YF-29B Perceval is of course a derivative of the YF-29 Durandal from the Frontier movies which was designed originally as the ultimate anti-Vajra valkyrie but was never produced for cost reasons (until SMS scrapped one together). While it was a successful unit in the final battle, considering all that, I am left wondering why the 29B even exists*. For one, it is a NUNS fighter, which suggests NUNS Frontier and LAI/Shinsei shared that design data and the local NUNS at Uroboros (and Havamal) decided to go ahead and make a version even without the Vajra being a threat anymore (I know there is a Vajra in the game apparently but I don't think it does anything if you leave it be, and I also guess since Havamal is a group with ulterior motives that may be all the reason the 29B exists but I'll continue anyway). More importantly though than why NUNS actually developed a 29 variant after all is whether or not the 29B has any significant differences to the Durandal? All the weapons seem to match, I presume it has a fold wave system too because that is part of what makes the 29 so powerful. I admit I am surprised it doesn't have its own page on the Macross Mecha Manual yet but I know big bulk updates are more common because that is a lot of work. *(I am assuming only Alto's 29 and Rod's 29B in the game are canon since the DX toys of the Ozma, Isamu, and the 30th anniversary versions are really just special edition toys and not in a story so far as I know). I am heavily considering picking up a YF-30 too to make a set out of the two since they are the respective rival antagonist and hero valks of the game. As such I was researching that some too (thankfully it does have an MMM page) and it got me thinking. While the FDR system is an upgrade to the fold wave system, giving it that edge, when it comes to weapon load out I am left thinking that the 30 might be a bit less outfitted than the 29B. This comes back to the fact that the 29 in general is basically the valkyrie version of a tank though with its thicker/tougher ECA, auxiliary reaction engines, and larger assortment of weapons. Yeah the 30 has the missile pod, but when the 29 has micro-missiles in its legs and shoulders it kinda matches there, and they both have heavy quantum beam guns. The fact that the 29 in general is basically designed as a 25 with built in tornado parts just makes me wonder if the 30's FDR system really gives it that much more of an edge or if the FDR is only different from the fold wave system in that it can better navigate fold faults (whilst rocking out to Bomba)?
  11. Master Dex
    Well it is possible I always chose to see it as a cockpit shot, but it was definitely a single shot kill and regardless of how good everyone is in Macross, doing that with a moving target is not a simple thing. So Milia still seems like a good candidate for being the shooter.
  12. Master Dex
    Probably a safe assumption considering it is a pretty straight on shot into the cockpit, something an ace would do well. An interesting choice since they killed Roy differently in the movie (and if you recall, it was Milia that gave Roy his mortal injuries in the show as well).
  13. Master Dex
    Mirage is Miranda Jenius' daughter, as per Kawamori. Your point still stands, just fact checking, heh.
  14. Master Dex
    Doki is also subbing it, albeit at a far slower rate (they are only up to episode 6), though the upside to it is they are much higher quality translations and typesetting, not that such matters to everyone. I am perfectly happy for GG's speed subbing. But everything you are saying it totally true in any case. Plus with this series we are getting the extreme fortune to have the series get officially subbed in English for the blu-ray release.
  15. Master Dex
    They already are well aware how popular it is here and that there is money to make. The problem is HG wants that money more and doesn't want anyone else benefiting. Really at this point after all this time the entire thing has really just devolved into a pissing match. The two sides aren't even worried about the why anymore.
  16. Master Dex
    This community is awesome like that. Last episode we went on for pages debating whether Johnson and Chaos were competent and whether Valan was actually redeemable or not. This week, does Mirage wear anything but a sports bra under the jacket? Stay classy MacrossWorld, lol.
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    Note on fansubs, GG reported last week they might be late for this one, and they've confirmed that again, mostly due to Anime Expo. Doubt we'll be seeing them today.
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    Hmm.. I guess the reason the Delta series blu rays are big deals is because it is the first TV series release to get subtitles, as opposed to movies.
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    Glad I gave you a challenge, lol. Sounds like instead of a traditional afterburner it works more like a LANTR (LOX-Augmented Nuclear Thermal Rocket) but with a fusion engine instead of fission of course. That makes sense really though, more thrust at higher propellant cost, but propellant is intake air so win/win. The cooling aspect makes perfect sense too because that is one of the uses of conventional bypass systems. I find the idea that it has bypass ducts that reinsert it into the engine at the reaction stage odd. I am not sure what the benefit of that would be, especially if that air is less compressed than the air already brought in. In the augmentor/afterburner stage it makes perfect sense though. Any chance you could post those pictures? I couldn't find any by searching.. well none that were any decent for the VF-1 (and none at all for the 25). 2.14 meters?! That's a small engine for a fighter the size of the VF-1! The F-16's F110 engine (which I work with in my day job) is almost twice that length, though half of it is the augmenter/exhaust nozzle. Granted I suppose if you count that precompressor you get a longer engine, but that just tells me OTECH makes for really powerful compact engines, and that VFs are only so big because they also transform into robots with a ton of extra systems to handle that.
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    To my knowledge none of them do, as everyone has been going on about how the Delta blu-rays having english subs is a first. If others had that there'd be no reason talk about Delta's blu-ray release as such a big deal (and it is for that alone for sure). Though, I will caveat that the Macross Plus Movie Edition DVD does have english subs.. but that story also has more western release loopholes since it was the last thing to ever be slipped by Harmony Gold (and thus to actually have a dub of the OVA).
  21. Master Dex
    Hey Seto, since you'd be the guy to know most likely, I have a question I thought up after noticing something in the thread about the VF-31 DX toy. Is there any detail on if the reaction engines in VFs use any kind of bypass system like most modern jets which use low bypass (where the intake air is split with some going through the main compressor and into the combustion section to heat and turn the tubrine, and air that is routed around to flush back into the exhaust nozzle both to cool the exhaust a bit but also to potentially mix with more fuel in the augmentor/afterburner). My first thought is that bypass air might help overall efficiency, as well as cooling, but then when I really thought about how reaction engines work differently from conventional jet engines... I started to realize that there may not be a point to doing that versus just having a straight turbojet system of compressor, [fusion reactor], turbine, exhaust. (Incidentally, I know most VFs are said to have afterburners too and I am now left wondering how those work since the main engine does not work via combustion). That came up when discussing the placement of the engines within the legs which is what my post in the toy thread was about. I was noting how the actual turbines were often in the shin area behind the reaction hot section of course (I don't know the properties of the OTECH metals they make those turbines out of, but they must be really heat resistant!) with the blades/inlets we see in the intakes certainly being the forward compressors. That led me thinking about how compressors are linked to turbines since the turbine is turned to create power and to turn the compressor to cycle in more air; as such I always wondered if the forward compressors disconnected from the turbines when the leg bends in mode changes and how it still brings air in. In Battroid though the intake covers close so it probably isn't doing it as much there since the engines are more focused on power generation than thrust, and they don't require intake air for that (bet they switch more into direct plasma thrust too). In Gerwalk though it still moves better than Battroid so I'd assume it is still using some air. Either it brings in some via the kneecap ram-intakes somehow, or more than likely there is some really convoluted system to continue operating the compressor/turbine system with a bending engine. I suspect that latter thing would be the biggest engineering hurdle to a successful leg engine design in such a machine next to the whole giant robot thing.
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    Bandai DX VF-31

    Master Dex replied to UN Spacy's topic in Toys

    Actually that would be the forward compressor (or a fan if the engine uses a bypass system at all, but it is not clear if that is even necessary for Reaction Engines, worth looking into actually). The turbine itself is surely somewhere in the shin area of the leg based on previous VF cutaways. Though I know at least one VF-1 cutaway listed both as turbines but the turbine is always aft of the hot section and is turned by the superheated plasma/air which powers the generator and then turns the forward compressor to bring in more air. Not that this matters all that much for a toy, heh. Though I have always wondered why they mold the compressor inlets right at the inlet because on real jets the compressor inlet is not that far forward. Then again, real jets don't transform and thus don't require segmented engines, lol.
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    The 25 didn't have an obvious one either but I recall the backpack thrusters meshed well with the plane body, right where the shield connected. I bet it is similar for these.
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    A common affectation of dubs is to represent a Kansai dialect as people speaking with a heavy southern drawl as it is the closest to approximating the effect of the dialect and how it makes speech differ from typical Japanese. I don't know if Freyja is speaking in Kansai itself mind you but the 'country bumpkin' bit on that page makes me think it is closer as such considering how it is usually handled.
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    More importantly, leading to an epic snowy mountain sing off between Basara and Emilia, which Basara won despite Emilia's size and raw vocal power, lol.
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