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I always liked the title/intro theme from the original Legend of Zelda. Another tune that hasn't been reused, as far as I know.

What we know is HG got rights from Tatsunoko, and Tatsunoko doesn't have rights to everything. What they DO own will only start an endless debate, complete with pictures and babelfish translations.

I wonder why there aren't bootleg plushies.

Yup. Maybe I was the first here to find AnimEigo's site with Macross' linear notes Message-ID: <ugs99u0lsolj7jra7e8joq6kpce14kbbje@4ax.com> 17 March 2002, more than two years ago Funny, I've owned the DVDs since January 2002(my shipment didn't QUITE make it in time for Christmas 2k1). Anyways, my point was that there were Trek references as well as anything else. And as you're the person saying the entire Macross universe can be extrapolated from a few references(references you're really reaching to formulate, BTW, as many seem to be simple coincidence)... But AFAIK in Star Trek alien spaceships don't have toilets This is the proof of the lack of relations between Macross and Star Trek, really Ummm, no. And just because Trek doesn't show toilets doesn't mean they don't exist. Heck, they've never shown HUMAN toilets in Star Trek. I like thinking of the Macross's ones like Philip Dick's homeostatic machines Tough. I say they're a Red Dwarf reference, which means that the Megaroad 1 fell into a time vortex and wound up in a future where everything happens backwards. But all the turbines are before the fusion reactor, plasma is expelled magnetically. Visual of the turbines from behind is impaired. You can see this from the schematics of the VF-1. I think we can't go on without pics, so I'll paste one. No. If plasma is expelled, the reactor ceases to funciton. It HAS to be contained for a fusion reactor to work. What you describe is something akin to a plane spraying jet fuel out of it's engine, or an automobile that blows gasoline out it's exhaust pipe insetad of exhaust gases. Must be easy when you have no idea how stuff works. No, WAIT! I think you were supposed to point out some scientific sites about nuke effects proving your assertions Tough. Near the Earth plasma can be found in the form of solar wind, magnetosphere and ionosphere. I should check better, though. In such low densities as to be insignifigant. There is, as of yet, no serious evidence of cold fusion. And we use a wide variety of techniques to induce fusion. Including simple electromagnetic charges. You would be wrong. It's concealed by the same shielding that protects the pilot from deadly radiation. Right where I wanted you. What are these particles, exactly? Electrons? Protons? In nature there aren't many particle types you can choose from (physics often sounds like a mystic thing with particles sprouting everywhere, but it's not). Stripping a proton of its electron is called "ionization". When someone is talking about "particlized" matter, usually he means plasma (I don't really know if other options can be real, but I doubt the extents of my physics knowledge). We're concerned with photons, actually. Gamma rays. Though there's also protons, neutrons, electrons, even positrons. This is pretty basic fission effects here. If you don't know this, why are you chattering about the workings of a fusion powerplant? If there is one thing we can be absolutely sure, is that authors for Macross TV didn't know any scientific or sci-fi theories following 1982. So far, no spaceship was nuked. Your supposition about radar disturbing confetti is very well reasoned, but authors surely only thinked of standard known nuke effects. Now I'll point out a scientific site: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowland...project155.html A. I'm not discussiong EMP. B. They DID know what chaff was. It's not an exotic material created by nuking spaceships. It's just metallic shards. It would be only LOGICAL to assume that destruction of s aspaceship would fill the area with debris that would impede radar detection. Again, I'm not TALKING about that. Yes, I did know that. I also knew it was irrelevant to the topic at hand. It is actually sprayed out the exhaust, like I believe, and is. No turbines after the thermonuclear reactor whatsoever. It doesn't matter. The principle behind a fusion engine is you use heat exchangers to get excess heat from your fusion reactor into the combustion chamber equivalent of an otherwise normal jet engine. The diffrence is heat is provided by a fusion reactor, not burning of chemicals. No transfer of matter takes place. Now go look at a central air-conditioning system. The heat exchanger is outside. And yet it still cools the indoor parts. Same concept, only with lower temeperatures. The air conditioner in the house is the equivalent of the valkyrie's fusion reactor(yes, AC units generate heat). The part outside is the heat exchanger. The air outside is the "combustion chamber". Or you. You implied it. OH BOY! Speed of light is only constant within a vacuum. Speed of various forms of "light" DOES vary within an atmosphere. And before you nitpick that gamma rays won't impact radar because they're diffrent wavelengths, they WILL interfere, because as you politely demonstrate, they are the same form of radiation. That's why you can't have a white laser. The various wavelengths interfere with each other, and the beam breaks up. Radio waves in an area full of gamma waves WILL be scrambled. It's debatable, as XRays are not in the portion of the spectrum known as light, and laser stands for Light Amplification by the Stimulated Emission of Radiation(radiation meaning EM radiation, not the particle radiation people think of when they hear the term). I'd grant it, though it should properly be XASER. MASERs(micorwave amplification by stimulated emission of radiation) are debatably a form of laser, too. Actually, the flight controls were rather unique. The deformable wing surface, at least. XRay vision, not RADAR. I don't see the relevance. No, they don't. You don't get that kind of detail from radar, because rather than going through someone and letting you see their skeleton, a radar wave will, for hte most part, go AROUND them. You'll get a very fuzzy image from radar, because the wavelength isn't enough for high resolution. Furthermore, radio waves don't have the penetrating power of XRays and gamma rays. And by your argument, the visible wavelength and IR pics should've all 3 looked hte same, as they're all taken with EM radiation. Very diffrent. Diffrent EM waves behave diffrently for a given type of matter. And radar that doesn't use radio isn't radar, as you so politely demonstrated. BTW, I prefer the term LIDAR, as it isn't stacking acronyms. LADAR would be Light Amplification Detection And Ranging, as you drop part of LASER to make LADAR. Hence why LIDAR is the more commonly used term. The funny thing? It's all doable today. Electronic CounterMeasures, or ECM, planes are specially equipped to scramble radio. Though not precisely enough to really function as stealth. Reducing IR is done passively with creative exhaust manifolds that disperse the gasses(and mix cooler outside air with it, but that's not plausable for a space fighter). I think that's just hilarious. There's experimental active visible stealth systems, but they don't do what you think. Just match brightness on one side of a vehicle(above) to the other(below). Greatly reduces the distance they can be seen at. Sadly, our modern stealth planes are quite lousy in terms of visible stealth due to a retarded decision to paint them black so they'd look cool. There is no evidence of it. Bending light around you just isn't possible. And the sort of hologram emitters we're talking about would just be absurd. Simpler to paint them black for space combat, and a more conventional color for planetary combat(see the low-vis VF-1 toy). No, it's needed. You want to blunt the lasers, as you can't warp them around you. IR. Hence why killing the engines worked(remember, the reactor had to remain online to provide electricity). But discharging plasma would totally destroy your reactor's ability to generate electricity, as well as lighting you up across all EM ranges, since plasma spews EM radiation like crazy(hence why plasma stealth requires A SMALL CAREFULLY CONTROLLED AMOUNT). IR guidance is good because it's simple. Lot cheaper than RADAR weapons, which require a transmitter AND reciever. Of course, flares confuse IR. Visible wavelength guidance is probably the best, especially given the high-visibility paint schemes of most Macross mecha, but it requires a lot more processing power. Though I suppose a flash grenade-type device could blind them, similar to a flare for IR guidance. Heaven forbid I miss something stuffed into a glossary, especially when it's a term I already know from the real-world. Hence, I was using the MODERN REAL-WORLD definition of thermonuclear reaction, which is a fusion reaction(specifically a hot fusion reaction). So . Though it should be noted that modern fusion reactions do not require nuclear materials. Hydrogen is a favored fuel, as it's easy to do. For the record, http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book...nuclear&x=0&y=0 Either they use sub-atomic particles for fuel(p[rohibitelvy expensive), or they use no fuel, as a thermonuclear reaction is still a nuclear reaction, and thus any fuel used in it becomes nuclear fuel. Yay for random technobabble. I assume the INTENDED meaning was that it used non-radioactive substances. Also quite doable with real-world fusion reactions. In fact, radioactive fuels are disliked, as they're too heavy. The preferred fuel currently is hydrogen, as it's easy to work with. Helium is the most promising fuel, as using the right isotope creates no radioactive byproducts. I thereby propose that "uses non-nuclear materials" is self-contradictory gibberish and should be clarified, or struck from the record. The big diffrence between Macross fusion and real-world fusion is how they got it above break-even(Dimensional rift! Cheaters!). This energy source is NOT nuclear fusion. It is a thermonuclear reaction. Which IS fusion. Note that that is only mentioned with regard to weaponry. But valkyries are powered by thermonuclear reactions, not pair-annihilation. It's a sci-fi theory, and he knew it. It's not true, but it's kinda grounded. Real world physics too invented lot of useless and not totally founded particles like bosons or gluons to understand the universe Minowsky particles are just a weird explanation for plasma radio disrupting effects. An un-needed one, as plasma emits EM radiation. And one with unrealistic effects like being able to me constructed into a containment vessel. So you acknowledge that that particular chink of text was totally irrelevant? They can't exist in Macross because MACROSS IS NOT GUNDAM! I thought you already knew it, and I was right No, you're wrong. Have you ever read Alan Moore's works? He like estrapolating characters from various sources and collecting them in a single comics (ie: League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen, or Watchmen). I haven't actually read him, but that is what they told me. Narratively, it is indeed possible, and you can also remain faithful to originals if you are good You know what else? No one insists characters he hasn't "borrowed" are in his stories. Active stealth is canon, as you pointed out. Official words about how it works has not yet reached my ears, though Yes. And as it can be done without minovsky particles, it is not an indication of the existince of minovsky particles. In fact, the necessity of implementing it is an indicator that said particles DO NOT exist. This is right, but it lasted only few seconds. They could cut something else. Why should htey HAVE included it? But if anime Yamato were destroyed in a movie, that doesn't mean Yamato was really destroyed at all in the sequels Continuity is kinda troublesome: how was Isamu injured? But I am just kidding. Star Trek has it's own continuioty problems. But they don't include having alternate and conflicting retellings of the same story. I propose that it is RADAR only. Or C. it dropped off the radar, and IR isn't detailed enough data to render a decent picture, so they don't show it on the display. I know, but if you look even YF-19 has active stealth system. So how came radar guided missiles could detect it? What radar-guided missiles? How? It's a show ABOUT the military.And I think that everyone I've ever met that used a DragonBall Z name is a raging moron. You're no exception.

YES! THE ANIGIF SPINS THE RIGHT WAY NOW! AND A NEW PAIRED SHOT! Really is beautiful.

*bows* I'm under the impression they licensed them, and when HG sued for theft of "their" lineart, they were forced to settle out of court because they couldn't afford the legal battle that would have ensued. Either way it should've been Big West that sued, as Harmony Gold owns neither the lineart nor the mech designs.

They're getting a lot of mileage out of those TV series distribution rights. ... I wonder when they're going to force Big West and company to stop infringing on their copyright...

Indeed. I sort of feel bad about buying the US Macross DVDs. Sure they had the license, but it hasn't proven to be any indication of improved behavior like I thought it was. If anything, it's been used as justification for WORSE behavior.

But back in the '80s... It was understood that Tatsunoko had TV series distribution rights, which they COULD sublicense to HG, and Did NOT have rights to anything else, so Big West COULD license it to anyone they pleased(and they did so, repeatedly), as well as the lineart(see BattleTech). This continued into the early 90s, if Macross 2 and Plus are any indication(HG ignored the actual release of Macross Plus, and only attacked the later toys). Well, anime's only gotten big enough to be WORTH merchandising in the US recently. They DID push the shows for western releases.

Nice! The Misato/Rei pic is a particularly good photo(though I'd've moved that 3rd figure in the background out of the image). As a note, the AniGIFs look odd spinning in the direction the hair is pointing.

You MADE the cross? *whistles* I can't work with stuff that small. And the ball looks nice from here. The marbled effect isn't very beach-ballish, but who knows what they look like in the future anyways?

When inspiration strikes, you need to dodge! Seriously, I like the effect. The beach ball especially. And now your Rei is completely diffrent than everyone else's, too.

Niice. All she needs now is a sandbox!

As should have been obvious to anyone in the theater when they did the Universal logo, and then the opening scene, in black and white. Indeed. Heck, Van Helsing was pee-holding worthy in my book. Very few movies get that from me.

Glad to help. The pics look a LOT nicer now. The flesh is, well, flesh. Not washed-out overexposed white pasty parts. Nice work, BTW. Looks beautiful. And I love your photos. You've got a pretty good eye for composition.

Screams bootleg to me.

I nominate my box of Legos. Sure it can transform into anything, but it's almost impossible to do...

The Earth gets destroyed and the Federation renames Mars to Earth.

The color depth reduction algorithm used on poor Minmay sucks.

Yeah, they look way too 'square'at the prow compared to the one Britai was using. But that could be just due to animation variations rather then intent. Could be a variant of the vessel.

Just a thought with the photos... Last time I had a glare problem, I layered kleenex on top of the flash. It reduces the light coming out and diffuses it as well. It's certainly nothing like a real diffuser, but it works if you get enough layers on(exactly how many will, of course, vary with ambient lighting, distance, and likely the flash and kleenex used).

What really bugged me about Voyager was it had so much promise, and they killed it with bad writing and recycled plots. I think they did a "humanity of the doctor" episode every season.

Did reading that press release trigger anyone else's gag reflex?

But what about the TOY YOU BOUGHT ON EBAY WHILE EATING A SNICKERS BAR forum?

So do some 3/4s of all sci-fi programs. Did you notice that one of the displays on the Macross' birdge is running the computer game "Trek"? Star Trek's shields also degrade with damage, just like Macross. And the shield generators explode when the shields take too much damage, just like Macross. And there's talking vending machines in Red Dwarf, just like Macross. Actually, you WILL see a turbine. The fusion reaction is contained internally. All that gets out of the reactor and into the turbine is heat. And in the first episodes of Macross, plasma wasn't the problem. This can be determined by thinking for a moment. Plasma would, lacking a massive gravitational field(just so you don't whine about stars, I will state the obvious qualifier), dissipate and cool almost instantantaneously in space. The area was full of heavy atoms that were rapidly degrading and sending out more particles. Add a nice confetti of spaceship to that, and you have an incredibly nasty environment to be sending radio waves through. Hell, the confetti alone would be problematic, as it works like the famous low-tech anti-radar tool known as chaff(the outer skin may be made of radar-absorbant materials, but the majority of the mass is INSIDE that skin, and made of something lighter, less exotic, and far more reflective). I should also point out that plasma stealth relies upon tightly controlled and regulated amounts. Otherwise, you just light yourself up like the 4th of July for anyone that isn't deaf, dumb, and blind. Just HAVING a fusion generator doesn't mean you have plasma stealth. You need that plasma to GENERATE POWER. It stays in the reactor untill it cools below useful levels. At which point it is no longer plasma. And if it was being sprayed out the exhaust like you believe, it would be a giant "shoot me" sign, NOT a stealth mechanism. Did you mention the part about minovsky particles being generated spontaneously by He3 fusion and scrambling EM radiation? You know, the RELEVANT part? I never argued that you couldn't do neat things with microfusion, or that certain EFFECTS of Gundam's physics model weren't plausable . Just that MINOVSKY PARTICLES AREN'T REAL. There's no proof that the SDF-1 doesn't have Voltron's Blazing Sword tucked away in the Prometheus either. Or that there aren't Jedi Zentradi running around throwing lightning bolts while blocking lasers with their lightsabers.Shall we continue this idiocy, or acknowledge that one show's gimmick can't be interpolated into all shows on a whim? There are no minovsky particles in Macross untill such time as it is stated in a canon source. Or any similar plot device. Because it wasted time that they wanted to spend doing other stuff. Time in a movie is at a premium. You don't waste it on unimportant or less-important things. If a Star Trek movie doesn't use the transporter, that doesn't mean the transporter doesn't exist, just that it was not absolutely needed for the tale being told, and would have taken valuble seconds from other scenes. BTW... The Macross Compendium is considered canon for all intents and purposes, as it is officially sanctioned by Big West. http://macross.anime.net/mecha/united_nati...yf21/index.html Look to Avionics. The third item is "Active stealth system."