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But Kirk flew to the edge of the galaxy under his own power. And made the ENTIRE trip home, without alien tehc or wormholes or anything else.

And more imortantly, who voted Janeway.

Well, 4 OVA eps. at 35 minutes cannot fit into one 115 minute movie. They cut some stuff out, but they also added/replaced a scene or two. The story is the same though. I thought that the OVAs only came out dubbed, while the movie only came out subbed (I am referring to American releases here). So if my memory serves correctly, things should have sounded pretty different between versions, but not because it was redubbed. OVA came out both ways. Movie was japanese only. I thought he meant the original dialouge recording.

So was Janeway. And Sisko, once he got a ship. Heck, Archer doesn't have a counselor either. Picard is the only person that DID have a counselor on the bridge. And that may've just been because of her abilities(let's be honest, where do you think someone that can read minds is more useful?).

Ya know, Mylene isn't a whole lot younger than Hikaru and Minmay.

Yeah but they are only test planes and you might die if something goes wrong. Think of how many people died on the project before Isamu became test pilot? I think the the movie version is better than the ova: More violence and you get to see lucy's titties. jk Characters have a bit more depth. But the OVA has that cool opening battroid fight with the zentradi. They should make a "special edition" movie with extended scenes form the ova imo. -A naked lucy shower scene jk -more of the scene from the start of the ova -Have a better ending : show what happens after the incident: who won the competition? Lucy's boobs DID factor in for me, actually. It made that whole "I don't own you, I'm sorry I didn't tell you about Myung" thing make more sense. In the OVA, best guess was that she was some sort of psycho stalker that snuck into his home and deleted his answering machine messages. It also left us with a reason for Isamu to sit there taking Guld's abuse when Guld accused him of not being there for Myung after the fire. If he responded to the message, and got tied up in a high-speed police chase trying to get there, he'd snap back at Guld. But if he ignored the message for some fun in the sack, he's got no defense. While I'm poking holes, as much as I love the testflight sequences, and the bonehead battroid battle, the whole "stick live ammo in the YF-19's gun, then snatch it and shoot Isamu so you can blame him and Yang for attempted murder" routine REALLY tested my ability to suspend disbelief. The movie going straight from Guld crashing Isamu's VF-11 to the hospital just worked better.

Not Sulu?

OMG I VOTEZ TEH JANEWAY CUZ SHE HAS BOOBIES!!11111 ... I scare me sometimes. Seriously, I like Sisko bestest. Kirk is a close second.

I think somewhere in between is best, but of the 2 existing versions of the story, I prefer the movie. And yah, it's an incredible production.

umm...how about the fugly zentran chick from M7? Ver..(something) i know i wouldn't wanna see her in spandex Veffidas. I'd forgotten about her. She's more like a piece of scenery than a character.

I very seriously doubt it will be a GBA Mk. 3. The things that can me made for under a hundred dollars go well beyond the GBA's capabilities. I'd expect something similar to China's iQue, which was a portable N64, except in the portable system style isntead of the pad-famiclone style. ... Well, I would if it weren't for the fact that Nintendo likes backwards-compatibility on the Gameboy. I jsut hope it's not another half-assed kludge like the last 2 hardware upgrades(GameBoy Color, GameBoy Advance. The SP is the same hardware in a new box).

The spandex suits ALWAYS made sense. ... But only on the girls. If only that were true - you know how it goes, usually the ones wearing it have no business wearing it... Ah, but this is animation. There's never a girl that's not fit for it.

The spandex suits ALWAYS made sense. ... But only on the girls.

I'd use a vector from the starting point, personally. Only need one set of co-ordinates that way.

And you took it almost a decade ago. I didn't think SEED was even out in '95.

Ummm.... Voltron and a VF-1 tag-teaming a few Zentradi? </recovery?>

And at what speed, cause the mech have to move faster than the turret tracking it and the mach 5 projectile fired at it? I was just saying they're more maneuverable, hypothetically. And I have ALREADY acknowledged that I briefly forgot about tank turrets. We're talking in circles here.

Presumably budget concerns. Macross Plus was a high-budget production(for Macross). They had the time and money to pull out all the stops, and threw every last spiffy trick in there. Macross 7 was a lower budget production. And on a tighter schedule, too. And the original SDF Macross was a notoriously cheap show, if I recall. IMO = in my opinion. IMHO = in my humble opinion. IMNSHO = in my not-so-humble opinion.

You're a good man.

Like a human sidestepping or by pivoting the torso to face one way and the legs another? Like a human sidestepping. Kinda of irrelevent you have to take into account the turret, which will keep track of the mech regardless of direction it is moving in. The mech's still more maneuverable. ... And yes, I did forget about rotating turrets when I initially said that.

Your usage of afront raped my childhood.

Again what with the assumption only the mech would be moving during the engagement? No. Not really. Conventional vehicles can go forwards/backwards. They arc this line in a turn. They CANNOT move sideways. A mech has forward, back, left, and right. And all combinations thereof. It has full 2D motion. Hence a mech is more maneuverable than a tank.

Against older un-upgraded generation tank that would be correct, But with the advent of top-attack weapons, modern tanks been upgraded to remove the vulnerabiliity against those weapons. Last I heard tanks were still less-heavily armored on top than on the front face. Prey tell how is a giant biped robot more manueverable then a tank or any other armor vehicle? Sidestep = 2 axes of motion VS 1 axis of motion.

It's not known that zentradi used any form of defensive overtechnology. And Valks VS destroids? Only instance I can think of is MacPlus, which was an exotic weapon to start with. But I intend to leap to the defense of the oft-slandered destroid here anyways. On the contrary, not only must Zentradi mecha use some form of defensive technology (what sane military would build top-tier hardware with no more protection than your average Jeep), but a Zentradi mecha was shown partially resisting fire from a GU-11 gunpod (Max vs Milia). Mmm, forgot that sequence. I always figured Max just missed the important bits. As for it being insane to not use defensive tech... it assumes they have it. Remember, our barrier system completely mystified them. They were SURE the omnidirectional barrier was some sort of weapon. While we're on the subject... The zentradi reguld platoons seem to operate on the principle of overwhelming numbers. I'm not entirely sure it's top-tier equipment. Let's keep the irrelevant parts to a minimum please. I'm not talking barriers, I'm talking armor and have not deviated. The point stands. SWAG isn't in the same category? The Cheyenne is also based on a diffrent design than the Phalanx, Tomahawk, and Defender, which all share a common leg/body assembly. And it DOES look far more lightly armored, based on the animation. It's a commom theme. But these 2 statements: "Destroids have been shown as no match for a Valkyrie (even the mighty Monster), " And "Comparing conventional mecha of the Macross era, the Destroids have been shown as no match for a Valkyrie (even the mighty Monster), so as it stands the Valkyrie sits comfortably on top of the military hardware food chain in the Macross universe." DO imply the valk is massively superior. I didn't say that. What I DID say is that they do damage diffrent ways, and that armor is built to resist the commonly-used weapon. A society that used nothing but lasers would have mirrored armor that, while incredibly effective against lasers, would be next to worthless against a bullet. Our own real-world bllet-proof vests do quite respectably against bullets. But can be easily penetrated by an icepick(fortunately for the wearer, they usually never get that close). Yes. But it's roughly like saying that "An Abrams with nukes can beat a A-10". It's not a point, because it is completely irrelevant. I'm not questioning the physics. Just the relevance. In PRACTICE the 105mm cannon will always fire a larger projectile. And a faster one too. It's like me saying "Yeah, a marshmellow travelling at .7c could rip a hole through a battleship, so a kid with a bowl of Lucky Charms can beat up the US navy." It's hypothetically true, but the kid isn't going to pur his breakfast into a railgun, is he? Only stated for the VF-0, which is limited in power. If they have more armor at the beginning, then they end with more armor. And you can tell JUST BY LOOKING that most destroids are more heavily-armored than most VFs. 1+1<2+1. I'm assuming that being able to survive a nuclear blast at close range means "can take forces that would destroy any other mech around." I acknowledge that as it is focused, it requires less power to deal the same damage. I propose that it is self-powered, and hypothesize that it uses a supercapacitor for said power. That would enable a very high energy density in a very small weapon, but leave you with a limited-fire device. I'm debating that it "sits comfortably on top of the military hardware food chain in the Macross universe." And I propose to augment the woefully inadequate official specs with reasonable assumptions. It IS a reasonable assumption that SWAG armor was incorporated into everything possible after it was invented. And it IS a reasonable assumption to assume that a VF with more power may have SWAG engaged in more modes. I apply basic physics to deduce that the VF-0 has more power available in battroid mdoe than GERWALK or fighter because the jet engine isn't forced to propel the mech forward, so more of the energy can be harnessed to generate electricity. Hence why SWAG is only available in that mode. The other modes don't have enough surplus energy. The Cheyenne being lightly armored is a reasonable assumption. It is shown moving much faster than other destroids, which implies that it was intended to be faster. Which implies a sacrifice in mass. Or right, depending on where you look. The facts being that a Cheyenne is blown up by an SV-51 gun, but the more modern Spartan isn't damaged signifigantly by a VF-1 gun of similar caliber? That seems to support my supposition that the Cheyenne is more lightly-armored than other destroids. How much do we see of the base? One shot of the hanger? Much like Hikaru's barracks in the original series, that was protected by a battroid. Of course, destroids were used for other purposes in the original series. Like protecting other bases, or the ship itself. And the Macross itself? It's had anti-aircraft guns added to it. No need for it to have destroids Furthermore, with Sharon Apple having brainwashed the city and taken over the computer network there's no one to pilot the destroids, and anyone that could is locked out. I wouldn't trust her brainwashed zombies to pilot a mech. They had enough trouble aiming rifles. We'll cut Yang some slack. Bad angle, not a military officer. But those troops that were sent to kill Myung have no excuse. As I said, the vast majority of the show took place in space. Having a proper fleet for defense, there is no need to march destroids out onto the surface of the ship. The planetary fight segments pay very little attention to anything where a destroid could be. They keep Basara front+center. And he doesn't fly very low, or near to home, which is where anti-aircraft mechs would be marched out(only ones we'd be likely to see, as the protodeviln were only shown using VFs in the animation). Millia didn't say the Monster was too antiquated to help defend the city when it was dragged out. Just that it was too big to be firing inside the city. And there ARE a lot of destroids in the GameBoy Color Mac7 game. Which is recent enough that Kawamori's been heavily involved in the games, to the extent that original game stories are now considered canon extensions of the universe. If destroids weren't still in use, I would assume he'd've vetoed that feature. They weren't seen very much in the original show either, except for those 3 that got blown up over and over and over on the SDF's skin.

Its just obvious that there are a ton of spineless members who use em. I mean I get detailed PMs and emails from handles that just signed up earlier that day. You'd be surprised how many people will fire off nasty-grams immediatly after registering. I've been on the receiving end before, though admittedly not here. On one board I'm at, the viewing of all off-topic sections was disabled for non-members because people kept signing up just to verbally abuse people in the news and politics section(which is where most of the ... shall we say, abrasive... posts wind up).