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Yah. Ya gotta watch them decimals, they're sneaky little suckers. Haw.

Close. A MILF is actually someone else's parent that you find sexually agreeable. Freud, of course, would just say she's a substitute for your own.

BAHAHAHAHAHA! "This is a 5.1 master! Why isn't the subwoofer active?" "Umm, you do realize that the show didn't have a lot to begin with, and it wasn't exactly designed for home theater usage? It's a MONO source for pete's sake!" "WE NEED MORE BASS! BASS IS GOOD! MAKE IT JUMP!" *sighs* "Okay boss."

There's a thread somewhere with analysis of the strategy map in the Grand Cannon. The conclusion is that while major population centers were largely blasted out of existence, the Earth as a whole fared somewhat better than is seen in the charbroiled terrain surrounding selected cities. One of Kamjin's vessels, notably, is imbedded in what looks to be part of a forest. So there's at least isolated patches of raw nature out there. Keep in mind that the first New Macross missions(of which the mainly-zentradi colony was one) was launched in 2030, 2 decades after Space War 1. The first generation of post-war children would be reaching adulthood at that point. But yah, the zentradi to human ratio would've been pretty high, especially on early colony missions. There's no way society could've afforded a Megaroad annually without a signifigant portion of the 80,000 people being zentradi defectors or full-grown clones(Megaroad 1 was in 2012, the Megaroad 2 and 3 are in 2014, and after Megaroad 13, they start with the New Macross 1 in 2030, which carry roughly a million people each). Full-grown clones are more likely to appease traditional zentradi that want to live among humans, but not to give up all of their old ways, than for human population growth, IMO. I'm betting it was the societal norm. The honeymoon was long over by the time Komillia's first sister was born. Millia COULD have just been crazy horny, but I suspect that the whole making babies thing was strongly pushed as everybody's patriotic duty.

But a modified Spartan or battroid could fill most of those requirements without eating more food than a 5-6 foot human. You never see it, but the odds are VERY good that construction mecha were around, particularly as full-size sentradi were considered a threat to society(an issue brought to the front in one of the reconstruction episodes(Can't recall the name. 'S the one where Hikaru's sent to take military posession of a micloning chamber, and Kaifun starts a riot. Then Kamjin steals the miclone chamber and kidnaps the Lynns.). If the SDF lacked the ability to produce heavy machinery, they never would've made it home. They were churning VF-1s, destroids(including custom-designed variants), and accessories as fast as they were being destroyed. They also couldn't have rebuilt Macross City without the ability to create construction equipment. Remember, the Macross' original mission was one of exploration. Sure it was packing some heavy artillery, and planned to carry much more, but under no circumstances was the crew to initiate hostilities with an alien race. It had to be self-sustaining, which included the ability to manufacture equipment, grow food, purify air and water, etc. While it wasn't planned, the inclusion of a city into the SDF-1 was actually a good idea, as there was more than enough space in the ship and it provided the crew with R&R facilities that would be quite valuable on a space exploration mission. On the downside, since it wasn't planned, the ship wasn't properly equipped to support the massive addition to the population, and supplies were being used up faster than they were produced(hence resupplies both at Mars and when they reached Earth). Indeed. Plant and animal cloning is actually mentioned in the compendium, too. This would be both for food and ecosystem restoration. You'd probably want to focus on smaller animals, though. Post-war, the raising of large herbivores like cows and sheep would be discouraged while the flora recovered. The initial strike was likely focused on civilized areas, so the oceans would be spared signifigant damage. Aquatic life was likely minimally impacted by the orbital bombardment. In conclusion... cloning or not, I hope you like fish, because it's gonna be really hard to get a hamburger for a while.

The people that attend those events are a lot diffrent than the average movie-goer. Check the toy aisle at your local store. I guarantee you that people like us aren't the ones buying flashlights with plastic tubes taped on the ends and Darth Vader voice changer masks. At best they're true family movies. At worst, they're giant toy commercials. Meesa beg you! Buy me friends!

Har har. You obviously haven't played any PS1 games in a while. I assumed he meant pre-rendered cutscenes. At which point system power is totally irrelevant. It's just a way to date the production value.

I believe it's a pseudonym for Darth Vader. 364274[/snapback] Really I thought that he was Hikaru's Retarded cousin. 364275[/snapback] That was Veers.

I believe it's a pseudonym for Darth Vader.

Check the "Macross TV Dub" thread. Or rather, Muh-cross.

Undoubtedly. Tax breaks for large families, at the very least. Hell, the government likely would foot the entire child-rearing bill, just because. There was undoubtedly also a huge propaganda campaign to persuade everyone that they needed younguns, and lots of 'em. Max and Millia were just doing their patriotic duty.

Brief shot of the SDF-3 making a distress call...MoonBase-Aluce. Vince Grant announcing the mission to find Admiral Hunter. Alpha-Beta landing by a Hive, Scott talking to Marlene. Cool battle between Alphas and Invid in space. Clamships and other REF Capital ships. Regis saying she's gonna win because good is dumb, either a reflex or synchro cannon attack, possibly on Earth, and a partridge in a pear tree. 364136[/snapback] So... crap, alpha-invid dogfight, more crap, and lunch if I can hit the damn bird.

Thank god.

The resequencing makes sense, but it's not likely given that the mass cloning program was discontinued in December 2030 as a cause of hereditary disease rise. http://macross.anime.net/story/chronology/2013/index.html I doubt the zentradi had resequencing technology. Since they didn't reproduce sexually, there was no concern about inbreeding. Besides, they probably had the "bad" genes removed from their samples anyways. Warriors don't need a hemophilia gene, even if it IS inactive.

It's also possible they made more modern destroids, but we've never seen them. The VF series is more interesting, so it gets all the screen time. Destroids have several advantages in that they have less parts, less joints, and they're easier to drive. They can also be built heavier(more ammo and armor), since they don't need to fly. So it doesn't make sense to abandon the non-variable paradigm totally, as it's a cheaper and more durable platform. Tangentally related, the X9 Ghost in MacPlus is also non-transformable, making it the fighter equivalent of a destroid. So the non-variable paradigm isn't TOTALLY abandoned. The existence of GBP packages implies destroids have fallen out of favor, as the GBP's sole purpose is to turn a battroid into a Spartan(with a bit of armor hollowed out for more missiles). But that could be an efficiency issue more than anything else. An exploratory or colony mission is going to see only space battles for a long time, so there's no reason to waste the fleet's limited amount of space carrying land equipment. But once they find a planet, ground defenses will be needed before they can tool up for destroid production. Even an uninhabited planet with no hostile forces for light years runs the risk of dinosaur analouges coming in for some Human McNuggets, or just to chew on the farms. GBPs are a good way to turn a squadron of VFs into durable and heavy-hitting ground weaponry to fill that roll until the first destroids roll into service. After that, you can put your VFs back in the air while destroids take over the ground work. And since GBPs take up so little space relative to a full mech, they're a much smaller impediment to the fleet while in space. They're also easier to tool up for in a hurry. The VB-6 is, in my eyes, a unique situation. A Monster shouldn't be on the front lines, as it is long-range artillery. Making it variable makes it easier to transport, and durability losses aren't a major concern since it won't be in the thick of things anyways. The Defender might also benefit from being made variable, though as an anti-aircraft weapon it would have to land outside of the deployment area and walk in, or risk being shot down. The Phalanx was a jury-rigged hackjob that existed to fix a unique problem of the original SDF-1 Macross after the fold accident(it had no escort vessels and minimal anti-space defenses, as they were all mounted on the ARMDs). Consequently it would be the most likely abandoned design. Spartans and Tomahawks are the destroid profiles that would most benefit from remaining non-transformable, as they exist to fill the rolls of existing tanks. They're front-line weaponry, so they'll be seeing the most combat of any ground offensive. Heavy armor with as few chinks as possible increases survivability.

That's what I'd assume, too. And they'd probably limit the influx of clones to preserve resources. Just because they had the facilities to pop out x poeple a month doesn't mean that the minimal society they had post-war was capable of supporting that rate of growth. The adopt-a-clone program is the most feasable from my point of view. With the actual workings of the program designed to encourage adoption by infertile couples. A fertile couple adopting a clone is reducing the number of natural children they can have, so it would logically be discouraged. Now that we've discussed that... How do they decide who gets cloned and who doesn't? The most logical solution would be to require everyone to submit a DNA sample, to maximize genetic diversity. Less opressively, you could tie them to certain "perks" such as driver's licenses. It could be a vonluntary donation, with heavy advertizing to persuade people to donate, possibly even a reward of some sort. "Join the Terrestrial Repopulation Program! Recieve 500 dollars every time you're born! Act now and you'll also get FREE exclusive backstage passes to the next Lynn Minmay concert!" ... But once the genes are in the bank, you could also make an argument for "weighting" certain samples. If you have inheritable diseases, your sample gets pulled less often than a healthier one would, or thrown out entirely, while a superior sample could get pulled more often. End result would be a gene pool weighted towards faster, stronger, people that are better suited to survive the harsh conditions of post-war Earth and the rigors of colonization on a marginal planet, as well as better able to repulse attacks from alien races such as the zentradi. And then there's the political angle. Do heroes get special treatment, and in which direction? Are there hundreds of thousands of Hikarus running around because he was deemed a superior specimen? Or(assuming mandatory registration) was he exempted from the program due to his distinguished service, thereby preserving his uniqueness unless he chose to submit a sample voluntarily?

Like I said, it's funnier with TREAD, since it's an english-word acronym.

Mine does that occasionally. CD audio cable keeps falling into the CPU fan. If you haven't checked, make sure the cables are out of the way.

I can. My video card makes a disruptive amount of noise, and it gets even worse when I start a game. Should replace the heatsink with an aftermarket one, but it seems a shame to spend cash on a card that's 2 generations out of date when I could put it towards something else. Edit: severe typo

Ah yeah... you can always tell which stores have competent management and which ones don't. The few times I've had pricing discrepancies, I've gotten a no-fuss discount. Admittedly, I've never had any huge discrepancies, but they've always been willing to toss me the diffrence, and certainly never acted like I was the problem.

And more immediatly... as soon as it starts charging, the enemy can see it. If you can't finish the job with one shot, they can unload everything they have left right down the barrel. 4 + lunar, actually. Presumably they wanted to stud the planet with a dozen or so eventually. The Alaska one was the only completed Grand Cannon at the time of the battle. Good question... Depends on how strong the beam confinement is, how adjustable the focal point is(assuming it has one instead of being a cylinder), and how fast it loses energy to the outside world(the fact that it glows means it's losing a lot of energy, which is supported by near-miss destructions). The firing plot on the Macross' bridge indicated it fans out rapidly, which greatly limits range. A range reaching lunar orbit could be a dangerous prospect if you accidentally blast your lunar colonies while attacking an enemy, especially given the rate of beam expansion. It likely has a sub-lunar range, though the computer could over-ride a firing command that would result in lunar bombardment. As your enemy gets more distant, the utility of a unguided weapon becomes much lower. In space combat, you can easily get combat ranges where unguided weaponry is essentially useless. Practically speaking, weapon range becomes irrelevant past 1 or 2 light minutes, as your enemy will be changing positions often to avoid incoming vollys from a distant enemy. The Grand Cannon should have a longer operational distance due to the raw beam width and spreading due both to poor focus and planetary rotation. Instead of a straight line(or cone), it arcs and hits a much wider area, similar to rapidly waving a flashlight. This reduces the damage a single shot can do to a given target, but there's so much power that it doesn't really seem to matter matter if the whole beam hits one point(or if it even hits, given the backwash destructions). Unfortunately, you can't aim much. Most of the ships folded out with the destruction of the flagship. http://macross.anime.net/mecha/zentradi/index.html The Grand Cannon wasted roughly 800 thousand. A lot of that debris was probably launched out of orbit. The grand cannon imparted a LOT of energy when it hit, so I would assume that most of the debris from GC'ed ships was sent flying outward. Adding to that, the ships were broken down into very small parts, so solar wind probably helped sweep the debris out. Another million were destroyed through subsequent combat and the flagship's destruction. This is a bit of a question mark, as we don't know what form of attack brought them down. Could be anything from a simple mechanical failure(hell of a time for the reactor's fuel injector to fail...) to reaction missiles to a Macross Cannon-type weapon(there was at least 1 such gun active in the Human-Zentradi alliance, as Britai's vessel was equipped with a similar cannon to the Macross, but the Macross' own cannon was likely disabled due to the pinpoint barrier system). The remaining 3 million folded out to join other fleets. We know from the show that some ships crashed mostly intact. These are almost certainly all non-cannon casualties. They would have an effect similar to a moderately-sized meteor. Really rather trivial relative to the damage the bombardment had already done(which had put mroe than it's fair share of dust in the air already). Debris from exploded vessels would have burned up in the atmosphere(smaller chunks = more exposed surface area = faster burn), filling it with nasty metallic particles and industrial chemicals and so on. These are the bigger problem, partially because they're toxic instead of just "nuclear winter"-inducing and partially because they're likely the majority of the debris. Undoubtedly, a major part of the "Start of nature reclaimation project. Earth ecosystem rehabilitation begins" entry in the chronology is the construction of massive air filters to reduce particles in the air and toxic chemicals.

I can't speak for the others in this thread JBO, but honoring an advertised/displayed price is not some law as I'm aware (discussing this within the context of disclaimers and honest vendor error). My point was simply the need for the decorum of good business when faced with a customer in a physical location as opposed to the advantages of impersonal correspondance enjoyed by online retailers. 363042[/snapback] Ah. I agree with that. The "have to" is usually presented as a "because the law says so" argument, so I assumed people were going on a similar assumption here. I think Amazon probably would have let it slide had it not become such a big deal(of course, being Eva, and the internet, everyone linked it and it rapidly became a big deal). Had a brick&mortar store been hit with the same kind of attention... well, for one they'd be out of stock very rapidly. But as soon as they found out, they'd run to tape an error notification to the window. And given the response to things, they'd probably already have 2 dozen or so customers running around inside waving 6$ Eva boxes around, and they'd be trying to find a compromise fast. If only one or 2 people made it before they noticed the error, though... let 'em have it, then put the correction up before person 3 gets in the door. The distance and anonymity DID help Amazon. They didn't have someone standing there with a box and a credit card in hand ready to yell and throw a fit, so there wasn't a sense of immediacy. They cancelled the order under the argument that the purchase hadn't actually taken place yet, and informed people it was a screw-up on their part. From their point of view, they did the equivalent of taping a printout in the store window saying "that ad flyer is wrong." From our point of view, it's closer to catching someone on the way out the door and telling them the reciept is wrong and they need to pay more or put the box back and take their 6 bucks. It WOULD be in their best interests to offer the people that had placed orders a discount, or credit towards a future purchase. But I don't think they could've feasably honored the price for all the people that caught it before the correction. It would've been eating a MASSIVE loss.

They mentioned in the show that the Grand Cannon actually cleared most of the path to the main ship. Saved them a lot of work, since their original plan had them smacking lesser flagships to thin the heard. The grand cannon was a first strike weapon. You could batter fleets in orbit before they landed, and thin the enemy ranks. Of course, no one on Earth considered a fleet large enough to just crush all Earth's defenses with orbital bombardment. Yes. http://macross.anime.net/story/atlas/index.html lists five, including a lunar one. ... Which poses an interesting question... if the grand cannon is gravitationally powered, would a Lunar one be a tenth as powerful as a terrestrial one, or just take 10 times longer to charge?

Stupid society, crushing imaginations as people grow up...

Actually, they likely wouldn't have to honor the price. Fliers are covered with legal disclaimers that say they aren't responsible for typos, which are further highlighted at the front door when they get caught. And you'll never convince them that they have any obligation to honor a blatantly mistagged product(say, an XBox 360 someone set in the 5$ clearance bin because they changed their mind). I've never actually seen any evidence of any actual legislation that forces retailers to honor any given form of mistakes , just vague references to "the law". And the fact that people from diffrent states and even countries claim the law as relevant to any and every situation tends to dampen my belief that it exists. Such laws in the US would be implemented at the state level, not the national level. Thus they would vary from location to location. And international law should be obvious. The law in one nation is completely irrelevant to another. Seeing someone from one nation explaining to a consumer in another how their legal rights have been violated is comical at best. No offense to anyone doing so here, I've just seen it too often in any chosen direction. Unless you can cite title, chapter, and section of the law you're invoking, I wouldn't place any great weight in it's relevance to the situation, whether the store's online or not. Even IF we grant the existence of a universal "lowest price" law, online retailers are in a rather odd position. Are they refusing to honor a typo'ed ad with legal disclaimer? A computer error with no disclaimer(similar to a register scanning an item wrong)? A mis-printed "price tag"? All those situations would vary in treatment under any given law, but they're essentially the same thing in an online store, and you could make the argument for any one you choose. Where was the purchase made, anyways? At the consumer's PC, the store's server, or both? The location of the transaction changes what laws are relevant. And the last time I saw this happen it was a pre-order and not an actual purchase, which raises even more questions, though the same "law" was clearly just as relevant even when a purchase had not yet happened. As far as I know, it would be up to the manager's discretion to honor typos in a brick&mortar store. They usually let it slide to avoid annoying customers. In the cases of the Amazon.com screwups, the diffrence is so massive that they'd have to either flat-out refuse to honor it or, more likely, attempt to find a compromise position that was acceptable to both parties(likely an intermediary price that was at or slightly above cost, with a freebie gift certificate for future purchases).