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Which is almost all lifted straight from DYRL.

Or even ... MG VF-1 Version Katoki. 376315[/snapback] *Stabs you.* Aww, c'mon.... Ver. Ka. is the ESSENCE of superfluous redesigns. Actually, when looked at from the right angle, most of the "main" Gundams are redesigns of the original RX-78. They all have the same basic design, same color scheme, etc. In continuity they're massively diffrent, but out of continuity it's all explicitly intended to be a rehash of the original Gundam.

Or even ... MG VF-1 Version Katoki.

Mine began as a joke, really. Was in a moderately technical discussion, and I thought it'd be funny to use some sort of redneck hillbilly name, so I adopted "JimBob McQuade" as an alias. For some reason I continued using it. Then dropped the McQuade, because it was too long. Then shortened it to JB, because I'm chronically lazy. That's become my standard pseudonym. I pin a zero onto the end when I can't use JB, either because it's taken or there's a minimum name length.

There's actually TWO Katoki redesigns in the Gundam Wing line. First, and primarily, there's the "custom" versions that were, in continuity, alterations of the ones they ended the series with(Wing Zero Custom, Deathscythe Hell Custom, etc). But Endless Waltz ALSO featured a few flashback sequences to before the start of the TV series. These showed the original Deathscythe, Wing Gundam, Sandrock, Heavyarms, and Shenlong. Katoki redesigned the original mechs for those scenes to match his vision of the Wing universe. In continuity, those were the same mechs as the TV series, despite (in some cases massively) diffrent appearance. A few of the Ka. versions also feature equipment that shouldn't be present at that point in the continuity. Out of continuity, of course, both versions were merely Katoki expressing his distaste for TV series designer Kunio Okawara's aesthetics. The Ka. designs outside of Wing are little more than Bandai looking for excuses to sell the same model over again. Seriously, a Ka. Ball? It's a METAL SPHERE.

The Katoki redesign of the Wing Gundam was for the OVA. A lot of the other Katoki redesigns ahve been for the sake of releasing "version Ka." model kits.

V2 FOREVER! ... What? I like the design.

So yeah... how about that VF-17? Is that anachronistic or what?

It's still self-defense. Just pre-emptive self-defense.

*ignores biased descriptions of aesthetics* Because the VF-1 was designed in 1982 for a shoestring-budget TV series and the VF-0 was designed in 2002 for a high-budget OVA. Between technology advances, the much longer time between episodes, and that they were using far more skilled artists, he could stick a LOT more details and widgets on the VF-0. The VF-1 HAD to be kept simple due to production constraints. Regardless of what Kawamori WANTED to do with it, it was for a TV show with very short deadlines and many episodes were farmed out to low-quality animators. A more complex VF couldn't have been drawn in time to make it on the air every week. And the animators regularly screwed up as it is, with lasers shooting from IR sensors, bullets shooting from the head laser, and heads sprouting extra lasers. A more complex design would've just left them with that much more to mess up. The movie DYRL had a higher budget and more time, but the basic design for the VF-1 was already established. The cockpit was totally overhauled, and a lot of detail was added, but they couldn't really redesign the VF-1's basic appearance and still count on drawing the TV audience into the theaters. Just LOOK at the VF-0 some time. The designs are so close it's impossible to NOT notice that it's a re-envisioning of the VF-1. Here, I'll save you the trouble... See? The VF-0 is an anorexic VF-1! In continuity, it was designed so close to the VF-1 that they would've HAD to make extensive use of the VF-1 design, given that it was humanity's first variable fighter and the VF-0 was manufactured before the VF-1 entered mass-production.

Which is the point. They LOOK like they could work. How many flying machines LOOKED like they could work, but didn't?

Sounds like an automotive lubricant that also takes out pesky grass stains. 375921[/snapback] *spits on engine* Hey, it DOES cut the grease! Because he made it to use in Macross Zero. As he had an established VF-1 design, and din't want to just say "Screw you fans, your favorite plane is gone," he made up a new backstory and labeled it the VF-0. That's what the VF-0 IS. Officially it's a new experiemental plane that existed alongside the VF-1. Unoficially, it's a VF-1 redesign.

THE FUNNY? WHERE IS IT? I CAN'T FIND THE FUNNY!

And where's my Voltron lions, dammit?

Thanks for the clarification - I had always assumed JB 'OH'. Henceforth, and for perpetuity, you shall be referred to as JB Zero. See, this thread is useful after all. 375896[/snapback] How about just JB? The zero's only there because there's a 3-character minimum on names. Both Camaros look good. They're diffrent, but which one's better depends on personal preference. The VF-1 also isn't SUPPOSED to look futuristic. It was designed intentionally to look like contemporary airplanes. And it succeeded at that. Like I said... Kawamori DID redesign the VF-1. He calls it the VF-0. And like the Camaro, both designs have their strong points. And neither looks clownish like the SOL.

It's okay. Tokyo gets razed weekly, so their mobile suit never gets finished.

No, it doesn't. The BluRay Disc Association says that. Or the DVD Forum in the case of DVD and HD-DVD. And it's not copyright protection, it's copy protection. WTF? How would a company not putting copy protection on their own material open them to lawsuits? Actually, most companies don't use copy-protection. The number of DVDs that turn Macrovision on is minimal.

Maybe the fact that you think anime planes are plausable? ... Is this guy for real? HAS to be a joke account...

Except it's non-continuity. It's orphaned in an alternate timeline with Macross 2 and every other game prior to the PlayStation. No sarcasm. No humor. Nothing but the truth. It's gaudy, and the head lasers are too long(VF-11 has the same problem). I'm also not a fan of designs where there's a "shield" rising behind the head. BTW, it's a zero. Jay Bee Zero.

Ummm... not setting a copyprotect flag on your movie isn't any sort of legal issue. The DMCA doesn't say a copyright holder HAS to use copy protection. Just that if it exists, the end user can't bypass it. Which conflicts with fair use, so it's debatable which is valid. It'll depend on the judge you get more than anything else.

It's all HG's fault.

I like the shoulders and LERXs (if you've ever seen a fighter mode pic) of that thing, but gotta agree that the original VF-1 is more appealing overall. You gotta admit that this thing looks more like a direct derivative of the VF-0 than the VF-1. How does that thing fit in with the macross continuum? Is it just a video game mutant? 375801[/snapback] Yeah. Scrambled Valkyrie's a non-continuity game, so teh 1SOL falls in teh same category as... what was the 2036 VF? Ah well... I wouldn't mind seeing the 2036 one show up as a toy, though...

Ummm, no. The VF-1SOL looks WORSE than the VF-1S.

Because there's no market for real planes based on fictional designs that might not even be flyable.

*looks at GameCube*That's not a bad idea... my computers get it often enough, but I've got 3 game machines with active cooling that are pr'ly full of dust monsters. Course, I need one of those damn security bits to get the 'Cube's case open and do it right. But the DC and PS2 won't fight me too much.