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Too hot for TV.

I want to see ONE ad with someone yellinh "Wii" as they go down a roller coaster. That will redeem this entire naming fiasco.

"Mister Facehugger, did you in fact rape Miss Ripley's face?" "SKREE!!!!!" "No further questions, your honor."

IMHO Nemesis had the perfect opportunity to spotlight the Romulans. They could have brought back Tomalok and Sela but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. 395313[/snapback] And Spock, for retro-nostalgia factor. He's on Romulus working towards Romulan/Vulcan reunification last anyone heard. But yeah... Nemesis was a double-letdown. Not only was it a bad Trek movie, but it was a bad romulan story. O NOES TEH PICARD CLOEN TAHT LOOKS NUTHING LIEK PICARD AM GUNNA THEEF TEH REEL PICARD'S BLUUD!1111 N DATA DIEZ, BUT ITZ OKAY HE HAZ TEH TWIN!111

I muist've missed those parts. I only remember the steaming angst. Citing the GitS movie as a positive example is a lousy way to make a point. The Matrix did well enough. I thought it was because the people that did the movie just didn't care. There were so many OTHER things wrong with that movie that whether or not Guile threw a sonic boom was totally irrelevant.

It seems as long as Kawamori is in control, he never wants to do what Sunrise does to Gundam (i.e. throw the same situation out every season). Thank goodness. It's more than laziness. The guys calling the shots don't know WHY the successful stories are successful. As far as the suits can tell, it's just another movie/TV show/cartoon/game/whatever. So when something succeeds, they don't ask "What is it that made this good?" Instead, they try to copy the entire thing and use it as a generic formula to stuff other characters into. And then when they miss the important parts and their formulaic drivel fails, they conclude that the whole concept was just a fad that ran it's course. You can see this happening in US cinema now. Everyone's obsessed with polygon animation. Toy Story, Shrek, and company did amazingly well. And the people calling the shots concluded it was because they were CG, and proceeded to flood the market with bad CG movies. They can't figure out why they aren't seeing the success that Pixar and Dreamworks have, and I think we're approaching the end stage, where they conclude the fad has run it's course. Depends on how well Pixar does now that they're owned by Disney. (interesting trivia: Pixar WANTED to do The Incredibles in a style similar to the modern Batman cartoons. Disney vetoed it because they were sure they needed the CG look) There's also another kind of formulizing. It goes in the opposite direction, with similar results. They aren't sure why a story was successful, as with formula 1. So when they do the sequel/remake they take the characters and stuff them into an existing formula. Aliens is a good example. It was a fun movie, but they forced the original Alien premise into a standard sci-fi action formula, even though the original was a horror movie, because that was what was cool at the time.

Thread summary: Harmony Gold lies. Harmony Gold also sucks. Robotech sucks too. And amazingly, water is wet.

They didn't cover it. They DID have romulans, though.

A man can dream, can't he? ... Better yet... A man can buy some stencils and paint, can't he? Mmm... same here, with luck.

I'm surprised they don't call it the "sniper rifle." Try VF. That's what I use. As for what I'd change about my favorite VF... The YF-21 would have won Project Supernova, BDS and all.

You mean like Gundam Wing? Hell, people were complaining about how bad Gundam Seed Destiny was WHILE they were watching it. "Man, Destiny sure sucks. This is the worst show I've ever watched. ALL RIGHT! A NEW EPISODE IS OUT! " Just because a show is poorly written doesn't mean it won't do well.

I was sort of skimming, and saw someone say that they SHOULD stumble upon us again. It was just sort of baffling. Sorry. That's backwards. Humanity was a result of genetic engineering by a survey ship that was destroyed on the way back by the Supervision Army. The PC is the source of the human genome, and the PC didn't even know we were here. That's the Robotech talking.

Katana was the final Dreamcast codename. I believe the Saturn developed under Saturn, based on Sega's prior history. Neptune was, if I recall, a Genesis with an integrated 32x. 32x was Mars. The DS was... DS. Why Nintendo KEPT this dev name and abandoned Revolution is beyond me. I hope the final Wii logo uses the classic 1-player and 2-player logos from the old arcade games. Given the name is officially intended to emphasize the multiplayer aspect, it'd make sense.

394583[/snapback] PRAISE ALTHENA!

Compendium says there's 1-2k Fullbtz-Berentzes. That implies 1-2k fleets of similar size, as the FB has a large sum of "carrier" space in it.

The big galaxy comments... you poeple don't grasp EXACTLY how big the galaxy is. There's estimated to be over 400 BILLION stars in the Milky Way. Even if only one in a thousand stars has planets, and only one in a thousand has habitable planets, they could visit a solar system a day and it would take them almost a half-million years to hit everywhere. Given the Supervision Army moves around, the 1/1000 estimate is ridiculously conservative, there's a lot of interstellar facilities to hit too(like factory satellites), a good solar system search should take more than a day, and we're out in the ass-end of nowhere from a Protoculture PoV, the odds of anyone stumbling onto us through blind chance are absurdly low, and the odds of it happening TWICE are essentially zero. It's amazing the Supervision Army ship defolded within a hundred light years of us, much less close enough to hit Earth immediatly afterwards. It's really the most absurd story feature in the entire series, and it's accepted blindly without question.

Just because Valkyrie IS sometimes used as an all encompassing word doesn't make it correct. Furthermore, since when have the words band-aid and q-tip been used to encompass anything else? A band aid is just a band aid. A q-tip is just a q-tip. A VF-1 Valkyrie is just a VF-1 Valkyrie; everything else is a variable fighter... 394653[/snapback] Actually Q-tip and Band Aid are both brand names, most other companies call them cotton swabs, same thing with scotch tape. But how often do you hear people say cotton swab instead of Q-tip or adhesive strips instead of scotch tape? 394689[/snapback] Precisely. Like Band-Aid, Q-Tip, Kleenex, Coke, Xerox, and a host of other brand names, Valkyrie has been genericized. So while only the VF-1 is a Valkyrie, valkyrie refers to any variable fighter.

Dairugger AND Golion? I thought neither of those was popular enough to retro-merchandise. ... Not that I'm objecting, mind you...

Her'es how I see it... We know Bodolza isn't the only guy with a Fulbtzs-Berrentzs. There's 1-2 thousand of them. That implies 1-2k similar fleets. If things were bad enough that the head of all zentradi got involved, I would expect more than one of those fleets to come with him. Bodolza is the highest-ranking zentradi we've seen, but he's not the highest-ranked overall(http://macross.anime.net/mecha/zentradi/index.html says there's at least one level above Bodolza). When his ship was smashed, the forces attached to it folded out. Presumably they joined up with other fleets, though they may have simply retreated to strategically signifigant locations such as factory satellites. Anyways, since there IS a heirarchy that extends beyond Bodolza, the fact that they haven't delivered a smackdown of unimaginable proportions indicates that Bodolza did NOT report to them before attempting to obliterate us. Anyone capable of destroying a main fleet IS a threat to the zentradi, and they would IMMEDIATLY strike back, this time with multiple fleets. There's several possible reasons Bodolza wouldn't report before going in. Perhaps he found the mission too mundane to bother detailing. The sterilization of a single world whose inhabitants didn't have interstellar travel, or even a signifigant space force, wouldn't exactly be a danger to the fleet even WITH a small number of traitor zentradi reinforcements, so why bother mentioning it? Could be a power play of some sort. If he smites the miclones and protects the zentradi from cultural contamination, he could be a hero. Get bumped up to whatever's above main fleet commander. If he reports in beforehand, they might send somebody else to do the extermination. Or maybe it's a diffrent kind of power play. By playing things close to his chest he gets to omit that there were major defections from cultural contamination in 3 seperate forces, including the entire Adoclas fleet led by one of his highest-ranked and seemingly highly-decorated subordinates. Also makes it easier to omit that he's had personal contact with both the miclones and the spies that brought culture back to the fleet in the first place. He could himself be considered "contaminated" if that got out. By holding information back until after the strike, he can just say that Britai's, Lap'Lamiz', and Kamjin's fleets were destroyed in a glorious battle, and the fact that it was while fighting for the other side never has to enter the record. All the evidence is destroyed, as well as anyone that might dispute the claim. ... Depending on what he's reported already, he could even claim he wiped out a major Supervision Army base(the SA WAS what led them to Earth in the first place), segue'ing from power play 2 into power play 1. He's covered his ass AND earned a medal.

True, but with much less "collateral damage" to the civilian population centers. Personally speaking, I'd be hesitant to build a population center near anything emitting such high levels of energy in the first place. So moot point. My point was rather that any planetary based weapon of that magnitude would result in the same global bombardment the Zents inflicted on the Earth the first time. They didn't waste much time "looking" for the cannon, but rather opted to raze the planet's surface to wipe out the existing weapon and most likely to take out any others that could be preparing to fire.... Ummmm... they didn't care about our weaponry. They bombarded us to destroy our civilization. That was kind of a major point of the story. The cannon shot can be dispersed as seen in by Macross-13 in VF-X 2. It has variable spread? Interesting, very interesting. Still... it's in a cone, not a sphere. It's more focused than a spherical explosion of equal power at any given spread, though a nuclear weapon could be sent INTO the enemy area, getting everything closer to the blast. But the blast I was using for comparison was the Mac7's shot on the Gabil/Grabil fusion, which dumped everything it could into a cylindtrical beam on one target. That sets a lower threshold on Mac7-era nuclear weaponry, because they HAVE to deliver more than the maximum possible cannon yield, or they aren't a viable escalation. Given they bombed the protodevlin's home cave instead of actively trying to bury the bomb in someone's chest(which probably wouldn't work because they can't pierce the PD's hide with anything short of a thermonuclear explosion), any given protodevlin will absorb very little of the attack. Except Gepelnitch, as the bomb was wedged in his/her/it's "cocoon," and he could have possibly taken an entire hemisphere of the blast if he hadn't folded the bomb into the Stargazer. If we assume Gepelnitch, as ringleader, was the primary target(not likely since they didn't know what G looked like, making targeting him difficult) and that they believed big G to be of similar durability to the Grabil/Gravil fusion(more likely), that means 50% of a thermonuke blast is greater than 100% of the Mac7 cannon's already signifigant output. More likely, they were planning on seriously wounding everything in the cave with one bomb, which greatly reduces how much any one PD will be hit with, and seriously upscales the damage yield estimate. In short... BIG bombs...

True, but with much less "collateral damage" to the civilian population centers. Personally speaking, I'd be hesitant to build a population center near anything emitting such high levels of energy in the first place. So moot point. We also don't know how many orbiting capital ships were fitted with Macross Cannons. We know the colony ships had them, but little else is mentioned. 393474[/snapback] To be fair, a ship-mounted cannon, even a high-powered one like on the Macross is little more than a pop gun next to a Grand Cannon. The blast from a Grand Cannon is just obscene. It's widely dispersed, sustained for a very long time, and does as much (or more) damage "per hit" as the brief and tightly-focused pulse of the Macross' cannon. So while you might can kill 2 or 3 ships with a shot from the Macross, the GC can, with a suitably target-rich environment, kill almost 800 million ships in one shot(check the capital ship counts http://macross.anime.net/mecha/zentradi/index.html ). I REALLY wish there were some official statistics for the energy discharge on these things. All we really know is that Battle 7's main cannon delivers less damage than a thermonuclear weapon of unknown yield. But that's not really a useful datum, because we don't know the yield on either weapon. It's a safe bet the Mac7 cannon is MUCH less powerful, since the cannon shot is focused and the thermonuclear explosion isn't(since virtually all the energy discharged goes into the target area instead of being released in all directions equally, a focused weapon will have far more damage capacity than an unfocused one of equivallent energy release). It's also a reasonable assumption that both weapons are far more powerful than the current world record of about 50 megatons set by a russian thermonuclear test(as a useful reference, the data from that test shows a 50 megaton blast as the right size blast to destroy a reasonably-sized city with one shot). 1 megaton = 4.187 petajoules, if anyone cares. But that only sets an energy floor, and a pretty low one for the scale we're talking about. It'd be more productive to figure out how much water was vaporized in the automated firing of the SDF-1 Macross' cannon. I think that'd raise the floor signifigantly, but I don't have the math skills to work out the volume.

I think you're quite mistaken. Kirk & company aren't just old TV characters. They transcended that a long time ago.

There was one functional Cannon. That was the Alaska Base one. There were 4 other cannons being built around Earth and on the Moon. http://macross.anime.net/story/atlas/index.html Search for Grand Cannon to find the specific locations of each one. 392266[/snapback] Well it would make sense for them to chose to build canons off planet to avoid a similar retaliatory strikes experienced during SW1. Not really. A. An off-planet cannon can still be bombarded easily. B. Each cannon is very limited in where it can fire. An off-planet cannonWill be a lot less useful in terrestrial defense. I think Cannon Luna was intended for defense of the lunar colony and shipyard. C. The Grand Cannon is gravitationally fueled. A lunar cannon will either be much less powerful, or far slower-firing. Slower firing = a lot more time to detect the energy build-up. The concept was probably retired. Post-war, humanity had limited resources, and the primary focuses were on rebuilding civilization and spreading it. After that they apparently decided to go for a more versatile solution and laced the sky with lots of smaller satellite weapons.

YES! Terra... Defender of the Unvierse!

Which did you search? The thread itself or the feedback thread dedicated to it? 393174[/snapback] Both. The only reason I saw given BY ROY was in the original thread.