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You mean like Gundam Wing? Hell, people were complaining about how bad Gundam Seed Destiny was WHILE they were watching it. "Man, Destiny sure sucks. This is the worst show I've ever watched. ALL RIGHT! A NEW EPISODE IS OUT! " Just because a show is poorly written doesn't mean it won't do well.

I was sort of skimming, and saw someone say that they SHOULD stumble upon us again. It was just sort of baffling. Sorry. That's backwards. Humanity was a result of genetic engineering by a survey ship that was destroyed on the way back by the Supervision Army. The PC is the source of the human genome, and the PC didn't even know we were here. That's the Robotech talking.

Katana was the final Dreamcast codename. I believe the Saturn developed under Saturn, based on Sega's prior history. Neptune was, if I recall, a Genesis with an integrated 32x. 32x was Mars. The DS was... DS. Why Nintendo KEPT this dev name and abandoned Revolution is beyond me. I hope the final Wii logo uses the classic 1-player and 2-player logos from the old arcade games. Given the name is officially intended to emphasize the multiplayer aspect, it'd make sense.

394583[/snapback] PRAISE ALTHENA!

Compendium says there's 1-2k Fullbtz-Berentzes. That implies 1-2k fleets of similar size, as the FB has a large sum of "carrier" space in it.

The big galaxy comments... you poeple don't grasp EXACTLY how big the galaxy is. There's estimated to be over 400 BILLION stars in the Milky Way. Even if only one in a thousand stars has planets, and only one in a thousand has habitable planets, they could visit a solar system a day and it would take them almost a half-million years to hit everywhere. Given the Supervision Army moves around, the 1/1000 estimate is ridiculously conservative, there's a lot of interstellar facilities to hit too(like factory satellites), a good solar system search should take more than a day, and we're out in the ass-end of nowhere from a Protoculture PoV, the odds of anyone stumbling onto us through blind chance are absurdly low, and the odds of it happening TWICE are essentially zero. It's amazing the Supervision Army ship defolded within a hundred light years of us, much less close enough to hit Earth immediatly afterwards. It's really the most absurd story feature in the entire series, and it's accepted blindly without question.

Just because Valkyrie IS sometimes used as an all encompassing word doesn't make it correct. Furthermore, since when have the words band-aid and q-tip been used to encompass anything else? A band aid is just a band aid. A q-tip is just a q-tip. A VF-1 Valkyrie is just a VF-1 Valkyrie; everything else is a variable fighter... 394653[/snapback] Actually Q-tip and Band Aid are both brand names, most other companies call them cotton swabs, same thing with scotch tape. But how often do you hear people say cotton swab instead of Q-tip or adhesive strips instead of scotch tape? 394689[/snapback] Precisely. Like Band-Aid, Q-Tip, Kleenex, Coke, Xerox, and a host of other brand names, Valkyrie has been genericized. So while only the VF-1 is a Valkyrie, valkyrie refers to any variable fighter.

Dairugger AND Golion? I thought neither of those was popular enough to retro-merchandise. ... Not that I'm objecting, mind you...

Her'es how I see it... We know Bodolza isn't the only guy with a Fulbtzs-Berrentzs. There's 1-2 thousand of them. That implies 1-2k similar fleets. If things were bad enough that the head of all zentradi got involved, I would expect more than one of those fleets to come with him. Bodolza is the highest-ranking zentradi we've seen, but he's not the highest-ranked overall(http://macross.anime.net/mecha/zentradi/index.html says there's at least one level above Bodolza). When his ship was smashed, the forces attached to it folded out. Presumably they joined up with other fleets, though they may have simply retreated to strategically signifigant locations such as factory satellites. Anyways, since there IS a heirarchy that extends beyond Bodolza, the fact that they haven't delivered a smackdown of unimaginable proportions indicates that Bodolza did NOT report to them before attempting to obliterate us. Anyone capable of destroying a main fleet IS a threat to the zentradi, and they would IMMEDIATLY strike back, this time with multiple fleets. There's several possible reasons Bodolza wouldn't report before going in. Perhaps he found the mission too mundane to bother detailing. The sterilization of a single world whose inhabitants didn't have interstellar travel, or even a signifigant space force, wouldn't exactly be a danger to the fleet even WITH a small number of traitor zentradi reinforcements, so why bother mentioning it? Could be a power play of some sort. If he smites the miclones and protects the zentradi from cultural contamination, he could be a hero. Get bumped up to whatever's above main fleet commander. If he reports in beforehand, they might send somebody else to do the extermination. Or maybe it's a diffrent kind of power play. By playing things close to his chest he gets to omit that there were major defections from cultural contamination in 3 seperate forces, including the entire Adoclas fleet led by one of his highest-ranked and seemingly highly-decorated subordinates. Also makes it easier to omit that he's had personal contact with both the miclones and the spies that brought culture back to the fleet in the first place. He could himself be considered "contaminated" if that got out. By holding information back until after the strike, he can just say that Britai's, Lap'Lamiz', and Kamjin's fleets were destroyed in a glorious battle, and the fact that it was while fighting for the other side never has to enter the record. All the evidence is destroyed, as well as anyone that might dispute the claim. ... Depending on what he's reported already, he could even claim he wiped out a major Supervision Army base(the SA WAS what led them to Earth in the first place), segue'ing from power play 2 into power play 1. He's covered his ass AND earned a medal.

True, but with much less "collateral damage" to the civilian population centers. Personally speaking, I'd be hesitant to build a population center near anything emitting such high levels of energy in the first place. So moot point. My point was rather that any planetary based weapon of that magnitude would result in the same global bombardment the Zents inflicted on the Earth the first time. They didn't waste much time "looking" for the cannon, but rather opted to raze the planet's surface to wipe out the existing weapon and most likely to take out any others that could be preparing to fire.... Ummmm... they didn't care about our weaponry. They bombarded us to destroy our civilization. That was kind of a major point of the story. The cannon shot can be dispersed as seen in by Macross-13 in VF-X 2. It has variable spread? Interesting, very interesting. Still... it's in a cone, not a sphere. It's more focused than a spherical explosion of equal power at any given spread, though a nuclear weapon could be sent INTO the enemy area, getting everything closer to the blast. But the blast I was using for comparison was the Mac7's shot on the Gabil/Grabil fusion, which dumped everything it could into a cylindtrical beam on one target. That sets a lower threshold on Mac7-era nuclear weaponry, because they HAVE to deliver more than the maximum possible cannon yield, or they aren't a viable escalation. Given they bombed the protodevlin's home cave instead of actively trying to bury the bomb in someone's chest(which probably wouldn't work because they can't pierce the PD's hide with anything short of a thermonuclear explosion), any given protodevlin will absorb very little of the attack. Except Gepelnitch, as the bomb was wedged in his/her/it's "cocoon," and he could have possibly taken an entire hemisphere of the blast if he hadn't folded the bomb into the Stargazer. If we assume Gepelnitch, as ringleader, was the primary target(not likely since they didn't know what G looked like, making targeting him difficult) and that they believed big G to be of similar durability to the Grabil/Gravil fusion(more likely), that means 50% of a thermonuke blast is greater than 100% of the Mac7 cannon's already signifigant output. More likely, they were planning on seriously wounding everything in the cave with one bomb, which greatly reduces how much any one PD will be hit with, and seriously upscales the damage yield estimate. In short... BIG bombs...

True, but with much less "collateral damage" to the civilian population centers. Personally speaking, I'd be hesitant to build a population center near anything emitting such high levels of energy in the first place. So moot point. We also don't know how many orbiting capital ships were fitted with Macross Cannons. We know the colony ships had them, but little else is mentioned. 393474[/snapback] To be fair, a ship-mounted cannon, even a high-powered one like on the Macross is little more than a pop gun next to a Grand Cannon. The blast from a Grand Cannon is just obscene. It's widely dispersed, sustained for a very long time, and does as much (or more) damage "per hit" as the brief and tightly-focused pulse of the Macross' cannon. So while you might can kill 2 or 3 ships with a shot from the Macross, the GC can, with a suitably target-rich environment, kill almost 800 million ships in one shot(check the capital ship counts http://macross.anime.net/mecha/zentradi/index.html ). I REALLY wish there were some official statistics for the energy discharge on these things. All we really know is that Battle 7's main cannon delivers less damage than a thermonuclear weapon of unknown yield. But that's not really a useful datum, because we don't know the yield on either weapon. It's a safe bet the Mac7 cannon is MUCH less powerful, since the cannon shot is focused and the thermonuclear explosion isn't(since virtually all the energy discharged goes into the target area instead of being released in all directions equally, a focused weapon will have far more damage capacity than an unfocused one of equivallent energy release). It's also a reasonable assumption that both weapons are far more powerful than the current world record of about 50 megatons set by a russian thermonuclear test(as a useful reference, the data from that test shows a 50 megaton blast as the right size blast to destroy a reasonably-sized city with one shot). 1 megaton = 4.187 petajoules, if anyone cares. But that only sets an energy floor, and a pretty low one for the scale we're talking about. It'd be more productive to figure out how much water was vaporized in the automated firing of the SDF-1 Macross' cannon. I think that'd raise the floor signifigantly, but I don't have the math skills to work out the volume.

I think you're quite mistaken. Kirk & company aren't just old TV characters. They transcended that a long time ago.

There was one functional Cannon. That was the Alaska Base one. There were 4 other cannons being built around Earth and on the Moon. http://macross.anime.net/story/atlas/index.html Search for Grand Cannon to find the specific locations of each one. 392266[/snapback] Well it would make sense for them to chose to build canons off planet to avoid a similar retaliatory strikes experienced during SW1. Not really. A. An off-planet cannon can still be bombarded easily. B. Each cannon is very limited in where it can fire. An off-planet cannonWill be a lot less useful in terrestrial defense. I think Cannon Luna was intended for defense of the lunar colony and shipyard. C. The Grand Cannon is gravitationally fueled. A lunar cannon will either be much less powerful, or far slower-firing. Slower firing = a lot more time to detect the energy build-up. The concept was probably retired. Post-war, humanity had limited resources, and the primary focuses were on rebuilding civilization and spreading it. After that they apparently decided to go for a more versatile solution and laced the sky with lots of smaller satellite weapons.

YES! Terra... Defender of the Unvierse!

Which did you search? The thread itself or the feedback thread dedicated to it? 393174[/snapback] Both. The only reason I saw given BY ROY was in the original thread.

Because that just opens up the conversation for a whole 'nother bag of nachos.... 393198[/snapback] Ooooh, kinky...

The movie needs romulans! There arne't enough stories about the romulans! ... And yes, I know they were front and center last film. They finally get a chance to steal the spotlight from the klingons, and it's the worst movie since 5. Associated Press story So which is it? Early Kirk and Spock, or no plot nailed down? Frankly, I'd rather not see anything with Kirk and Spock... especially Spock... because no one in my mind save Nimoy could BE Spock. But... yay Star Trek! 393172[/snapback] I agree with the sentiments. Also... not using established characters makes them free-er in the writing. ESPECIALLY not using original series characters. If you're writing a Kirk story, people EXPECT certain things from your leads, regardless of what the rest of the movie is. It places a tremendous burden on the actors to match performances with some of the most-recognized sci-fi characters of all time, and on the writers to fit their characters to a certain template. Starting fresh means the slate is clean, and all avenues are open. Wait... they're making a Voyager movie about Section 39? ... Sorry, I had to. Trek's explored those angles before, though. Some more successfully than others(DS9's Section 39 stories were actually interesting, but Captain Janeway sucked). Less Janeway is always a good thing. If they DO throw a strong female character in, I certainly hope she's not patterened after that particular version of the concept. As an interesting trivia note, they TRIED to give Uhurua a major role in the original series. Desilu sent any script giving her a more signifigant presence than "hailing frequencies open" back for revision. I gather it was one of the things that drove Rodenberry crazy, and giving him the final say was one of the major things that got him to do Next Generation. That's one of the things I historically like about the Trek franchise, actually. They don't stick to a single formula. Kahn was as good as he was in part because he was singular. If he was one of a series of villains with axes to grind, he'd've been downright DULL. But as a singular entity, he was a compelling villain. That lack of formula also means there's a wide variety of stories. I greatly enjoyed Wrath of Kahn also. But I enjoyed 3, 4, and 6 too. Each one had a diffrent kind of story to tell. And while there've been a few universally reviled stories to come out of that approach, I think that overall the franchise has benefitted from it.

I agree with that. My problem is that when the entirity of that debate is "You're a dirty bastard that eats impoverished babies!" "Shut up, you pot-head hippie!" or "YOU'RE GO NNA BURN IN HELL!" "Nuh-uh, because there is none and you're a deluded fool.", the debate has no value, beyond a possible brain damage factor. Again, the point you make isn't really wrong, it's just ignoring the type of person that usually winds up dominating such threads. The extremists get in a shouting match that makes any REAL discussion impossible and leaves everyone else with a lower opinion of humanity. Again, I agree with the point, just not that it will apply. ALL debates do not have value. Actually, that wasn't the reason. I believe the EXACT reason given for closing the thread was "Rainbow Brite is cool. But not cool enough for MacrossWorld." *searches* Okay, it was that "Rainbow Brite while slighty more cooler than Robotech is not cool enough for Macross World." Girly was never stated, or even implied. Merely uncoolness. And Ms. Brite failed to be japanese or sci-fi, thus not meeting the basic requirements that would've protected a thread about, say, Silverhawks. I don't really care either way, but factually incorrect statements suck.

Because there was no mass marketability. The average consumer can't tell the diffrence between an audio CD and a low-bitrate MP3, much less an audio CD and something better. Mainstream is going the other direction. Download services like iTunes are the future of mass-market music. 392932[/snapback] Ummm...why are you telling me which way the music direction went? Because it seemed as if you were calling my analogy flawed? Neither was available until well after MP3 became a common buzzword. MP3 started becoming popular around '95. Napster came out in '99, the same year as SACD. DVDAudio was 2000. Admittedly iTunes wasn't yet relevant, but MP3 was. Because they aren't told to. EVEYRONE hypes their superior picture yakyak blahblah. Sound is ignored, and people think "cd-quality" is the best there is. Which is all irrelevant to my point. Which was that there is an established precident for AV-phile-specific media. 2 diffrent technologies there. HDTV VS NTSC is probably what you're looking for. And how long has that transition been taking, anyways? It's only happening at all because the FCC and Congress say it HAS to happen. Joe Average says that his TV is good enough and his 50$ DVD player is just like the movies. It takes a side-by-side comparison to stand a chance of convincing him otherwise.`

Hold on a second! You can HAVE Tifa(there is a point where boobs become scary), but Aya's mine! Jury's still out on Mai.

Because there was no mass marketability. The average consumer can't tell the diffrence between an audio CD and a low-bitrate MP3, much less an audio CD and something better. Mainstream is going the other direction. Download services like iTunes are the future of mass-market music.

Or they could just start it and see if it gets locked. Doesn't hurt to try.

I can summarize that entire phrase in 3 words... Greedo shoots first.

It'll live on, just as a "specialized" market. SACD and DVDAudio certainly haven't damaged the CD, but they aren't dead either. They just only sell to audiophiles.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6...locking&pl=true Nor a 3mhz overclocked NES 392814[/snapback] Amazing what an extra MHz (and change) does.