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The use of the Thundercats name says otherwise. That's a name that has no value to anyone born in the last decade. No they aren't. They're bringing Josie and the Pussycats to a new audience. Only with swords.

Actually, I think they did a good job APPEARING to conform to US law without actually doing it. Law requires a permanent modification with glue or paint. I also think it's a stupid law, so... Generations of kids managed to grow up without getting themselves killed or maimed with realistic toy guns and tiny spring-loaded projectiles. I think today's kids are a lot better at surviving than people give them credit for. Good to know they found a solution that works for all concerned parties.

Classics line was just to kill time between the end of Cybertron and the beginning of the movie toys. With the movie coming soon, Classics has served it's purpose and is ending. It's all very tragic.

I hope it's wrong. If they're gonna rob me* of my nonsensical Thrust, they can at least rob me of a Ramjet repaint instead of the real thing. *Maybe. As was pointed out, it didn't have good release odds anyways.

Wait... Thrust has the VTOL wings too? Or just something different than what Starscream/Skywarp and Ramjet have? Remember, "Magnus' head" is part of the armor. Strip that away, and he's just Albino Prime. So hypothetically, if you give him his trailer armor, he gets his head by default. Sorta like Classics Jetfire.

Yeah, I thought it was a thread bump for a second. At least this drivel STILL hasn't hit the airwaves. It may yet be cancelled.

Ya know, I was debating just turning everything off for a week to let all this crap die down, but now... I can't decide if that's inspired genius or nauseating stupidity. Especially the reworked forums.

I love it! The 1-Up over the chalkboard is a great touch.

@!#?@! Freakin' exclusives! I'm not even a huge fan of the mold, but I wanted another jet or 2. Guess I should be glad I got Skywarp. He's one of my favorite paintjobs. ... But I wanted Thrust. No, I don't have a good reason.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQHxPj3Tpi0 Relevance to anime and sci-fi added.

IT'S A GOBOT! RUN! It's funnier that people act like it was a huge deal when almost no one saw the movie due to inept marketing. Yes, I know I brought it up. I'm as guilty as anyone else. They left Snarl out. That is unforgivable. RESPECT THE STEGOSAURUS!

I think Millia would kill me if I stole her paint scheme. Better come up with something original... Dark green, with rust-colored trim, I guess. Black anything is far too cliche. If we go DYRL-style and have individual trim colors on white planes, I'm flying white with green. And that makes me Kakizaki, so... I'm thinking no. If I were setting up a squadron... Hmm... So many choices... ... I'll get back to you on that one...

I know WHY it was done. It was still a monumentally stupid move.

Well, the LAST time a Transformers movie killed a major character, we got stuck with Rodimus Prime. At least they won't be repeating ONE screwup the franchise has made.

We do, in a way. Paint colors for planes that are actually on-duty are chosen to match the sky. Sure it's a lot lower-tech, but it's pretty effective. Actually, we have some gravity wave detectors in operation right now. Admittedly they're VERY large detectors(several kilometers long), and we're using them to try and prove gravity waves EXIST, but... Y're no fun. Radar is called out by name in multiple shows. Admittedly it's possible the term has been genericized and refers to ANY radiation-based detection mechanism. But I can't really see a good reason that reflections will behave differently for different wavelengths(aside from resolution issues). Obviously radar-absorbant materials won't do squat for light, but if it bounces off at the wrong angle to be seen, it shouldn't matter what wavelength it is. It may not be as pronounced an effect, but every little bit helps, especially at the ultra-long ranges seen in space.

Flock of birds could just as easily be a busted asteroid. Anyways, who says that radar-abosrbant material hasn't kept up with radar? That makes it a rational approach. Best argument is either at the time of it's design, they had to apply passive stealth tech to save the power the active device would draw(if I recall, the VF-17 has a rather large assortment of energy weapons for the time it was designed), or that it's a supplement to the active stealth in an attempt to drive the ship's signature down even closer to zero. The geometry, of course, is anachronistic. The F117 was only faceted because the computers at the time couldn't do the reflections for curves. And the facets are dangerous in space, since they reflect REALLY well, and there's no really good way to ensure your enemy's radar is in a specific orientation to you. The only real excuse there is an out-of-continuity acknowledgment that the mass market recognize facets as a sign of stealth. It's a constant race. As detection hardware gets better, you start looking for more things to add to your countermeasures. Doesn't mean the old features weren't a good idea, just that they aren't enough by themselves anymore. Internal weapons still reduce your signature, even if they aren't enough to render you invisible anymore. Gotta have SOMEWHERE to stick those reaction missiles!

Well, I was thinking it was rendered redundant since the arm/hip cannons were more powerful. And the head guns serve a vital role of aft defense in their current mounting. Especially on the fighter mode(though this is less important on the 22, since it has other back guns).

Ignoring head turrets... The VF-19 has lasers in the wings. They wind up as hip guns in battroid mode, if I recall. And the VF-22 moves beyond lasers. It has "converging energy cannons" in the forearms, whatever those are. The arm guns can also shoot forward OR backward, too! See armament sections. http://macross.anime.net/mecha/united_nati...vf19/index.html http://macross.anime.net/mecha/united_nati...vf22/index.html Both the 19 and 22 also move past lasers in the head turret. The 19 has a beam gun on the head turret, while the 22 mounts another "converging energy cannon". Both make it less interesting by affixing it to the back of the head. No blasting missiles out of your face with headshots.

You forgot "set fire to" and "dropped motor home on." Oh, and "chained to beach as tide came in." That poor vehicle will probably survive the apocalypse.

I thought M3 counted too?

And since this ISN'T Convoy, no one's tentacle-raping their childhood.

Haven't they heard? The shuttle is obsolete! The future is Apollo-style capsules! How can anyone take the ESA seriously if they're doing that when they SHOULD be doing this: [attachmentid=41300]

Personally, I don't really think Mac2 should count. The franchise creators, who are currently in charge, say it doesn't, so it doesn't. I just find it an amusing exercise to try and make it fit. I'd actually assume they're using fusion instead of fission. It's much more powerful, usually cleaner, and doesn't require a bomb be made out of radioactive materials. From that perspective, fuel density and efficiency SHOULD be the biggest factors. Overtech lets you increase the fuel load by discarding the fission "starter" used in modern fusion weapons. But that doesn't gain you a whole lot, really. Big gain would probably be a containment field to keep things together longer, or a more evenly distributed reaction. Most of the mass of a conventional fusion weapon is wasted because it gets blown clear before it can fuse. Beyond that... we get into "so advanced it looks like magic" territory. Maybe it actually collapses the fuel down into a singularity? If nothing else, the subsequent evaporation of the black hole back into normal matter would release a good bit of energy(if I recall, there's believed to be a large energy release once a black hole becomes too small to remain a black hole). It's SORT OF like fusion... Unless you hit something prone to going kablooie inside the ship. That was what the Robotech(eww) novels (EEWWWW!) proposed. It's probably not a viable plan unless you're SURE you can get a line of sight on the thing, and the missile "cloud" implies they COULDN'T see anything really explodable. Yah. I never saw any real numbers, but I knew it was obscenely overpowered.

Oh, I understand WHY. And I know that Japan's a tad touchier than everyone else, what with being the only nation they've been used on. It's still a tad silly in-story. Remember, this is in the middle of space. There's nothing to irradiate. ... Except during Operation Stargazer. And rendering a portion of an (almost) uninhabited planet uninhabitable(especially an underground cavern) is a small price to pay for the extermination of a highly antagonistic group capable of destroying all life in the galaxy. But it also raises a serious question... If the reaction weapons are an escalation BEYOND the Battle 7's cannon(which is presumably more powerful than the original Macross' cannon, and that demonstrated a silly power level in the boobytrap firing)... exactly how powerful ARE overtech nukes?

So it's Mac+ mind control? They WERE the first thing fired in the original series... and were subsequently hoarded until the final battle of the Space War. The transformation and Daedalus attack could've both been skipped entirely if they'd just thrown a few nukes at the zents when the cannon broke. And logic and reaction weapons don't seem to go together. Like I said, they should've been lobbing nukes at the protodevlin for some time in 7. Instead they shot ONE bomb AFTER exhausting all other options(including a dangerous stunt where they used Sound Force to restrain a protodevlin so they could hit it with the cannon). And they had to call across the galaxy to get authorization for THAT. The refit could've been done at some point in the past, when the Macross WAS durable enough to withstand it. Then the ship rotted away sitting in a puddle until it couldn't be fired anymore. Then they tried to fire it again anyways in 2. I always thought the SDF bridge was better than DYRL's, aside from the low-tech look. The DYRL one has a seriously cluttered feel IMO. But that's just my take.