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Based on discussion both in IRC and on Gid's board, a LOT of people have. ... I haven't.

I ha-*BLARRRGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!* I hate you. Let me forget!

http://agtp.romhack.net/ Super Robot Wars Alpha Gaiden in english. It has Valks. Enough said.

I think the discussion is for an in-universe excuse. Of course, it could be that the VF-1 IS as teched-up/covered-in-extra-bits as the VF-0 and limitations of 80s-era animation hid most of the bits.

The VF-0 is a VF-1 detail-up. That's the whole difference. Personally, I've always been more of the smooth = modern attitude than the panel lines and vents out the wazoo = modern. But... whatever.

Hmmm... Requires Guld to be keeping count of Isamu's rounds fired, but he might've been able to with the extensive computer assistance available. ... I'd still like to know why the gun jammed when Isamu fired, then magically cleared when Guld fired. Nyah!

Not to defend the new movie, which by all counts is a complete disaster. But my dad will happily point out(repeatedly) that the first film ignores the main premise of the original short story. Klaatu wasn't an alien ambassador hear to tell us how to live life. Gort was just a 'bot on vacation who's a bit peeved because his dog ran away. Seriously. Klaatu was a PET.

Related: I saw it mentioned somewhere(damned if I can remember where) that the VF-19 design used in Mac7 was heavily altered from the original YF-19 design for that reason. The fact that it's been greatly simplified is obvious just by looking. The wings and shoulders have been redesigned to eliminate a lot of extra angles, the legs are greatly teched-down(making them look pretty chunky IMO). Heck, just look at how much detail the vernier slit "ankle bracelet" eliminates.

Because Isamu is going to be REALLY careful not to hit an armored chestplate with paint rounds, right? Guld didn't come off as THAT crazy. He was seriously broke in the head, but he wasn't borderline-suicidal. Anyways...

Spiffy VTOL?

Yeah. Sony prints the model number on the serial code label, and model number directly correlates to hardware revision. I think the PSOne+screen had the same model number, since it was just a regular PSOne and an LCD thrown together in a box. It's not like the HiNavi Saturn, where it was unique hardware. Nintendo is more secretive. Or just doesn't do lots of hardware revisions anymore. The NES and SNES maintained the same model numbers until the NES/SNES2 redesigns. Similarly, the GC had 2 model numbers. The DOL-001 was the original (exterior) hardware design, and the DOL-101 was the one that removed most of the expansion ports and the digital AV port. Basically, model number on Nintendo stuff means significant visible external differences(the NES didn't change codes when they obstructed, and later removed, the underside expansion port, but that likely counted as insignificant to them, since nothing used it except maybe copiers). Microsoft doesn't have a way to DEFINITELY identify. There's lots of "manufacture date after XXX MIGHT get you YYY chipset" and "if the power supply maxes out at QQQ amps it's VVV chipset, but VVV chipset ALSO comes with the power supply that maxes at QQQ+WTF amps" stuff out there because of it. The only definite check was the HDMI port. If it has an HDMI port on the back, that, it's not the original non-HDMI revision. But even with that, there was no surefire way to tell which system was in there without opening the box. Only way to guarantee HDMI initially was buy an Elite.

Yup. I messed up pretty bad. Yeah. The movie dumps Isamu where a crash like that should put him. The OVA adds in the 21 VS 19 fight to pad length. And provide more wicked-cool giant robot action! Remember, the OVA came out first, but the movie is the version that was originally scripted. Marketing forced them to make an OVA to build hype. He hates Isamu SO MUCH that he's going to make Isamu kill him? Yeah, that makes about as much sense as the convoluted Rube Goldberg scheme. The whole 19vs21 fight is one of the scenes that was REALLY CLEARLY wedged in to extend the movie script. Any way you slice it, it doesn't work.

Doh! Obviously, I need to watch it again too.

I don't think anyone cared back then. Transor Z, Astro Boy, Gigantor, Speed Racer, Voltron... Robotech was just one more adapted anime. Repeat after me: End of the Circle doesn't exist. The story is still open. Rick and Lisa and them have no established fate.

It depends on story version? In both the OVA and movie, it was smashed into the ground by Guld and the YF-21 after Isamu caught Guld. Whereupon it plowed a lengthy trench into the ground and if I recall, left the GERWALK twisted and upside down. From here, things diverge. In the movie, that crash puts Isamu in the ER. In the OVA, they slapped some bandaids on Isamu. He then bitched at Guld as soon as he was through the hanger doors(did he WALK home from the crash?). Guld would subsequently engage in an elaborate ploy to assassinate Isamu that I don't fully comprehend, involving putting live ammo into Isamu's gun behind some paintballs and rigging a mechanism to make the gun jam when Isamu tired to shoot Guld but not when Guld tried to shoot Isamu. And then he shot the YF-19 up with it's own gunpod, and Isamu went to the ER. So.... yeah. It crashes quite impressively in both versions.

You DO know an SKU is almost always obvious, right? That's an acronym for the retail term Stock Keeping Unit, and it means the package has a different barcode. SKU is not tied to hardware revision. Nor is hardware revision tied to SKU. For example, the NES had the system by itself, the system + Mario/Duck Hunt, the system+Mario, Duck Hunt, and Gyromite, the system + Mario/Duck Hunt/Track+Field, and the system + World Cup Soccer/Super Spike V'Ball, and the top-loader NES. Just off the top of my head. Except for the original Mario + Duck Hunt + Gyromite bundle, all of them crossed multiple hardware revisions, and hardware revisions were shared between bundles. Each bundle was, however, a single distinct SKU. The Mario+Duck Hunt bundle, despite carrying something like 13 hardware revisions, was ONE SKU. I am not sure, but I believe the original PlayStation only carried 3 SKUs. Digital controller, DualShock bundle, and PSOne. I don't think the code rotated with hardware revision(10 pre-PSOne, I believe) or demo disk. As far as I know, the 360 hardware revisions are not tied to SKU either, though newer packages are more likely to contain the latest hardware revision.

Remember, the VF-0 was never INTENDED to enter mass-production. The only reason it ever saw combat was the VF-1 introduction was delayed due to difficulties with the fusion turbines. It was always supposed to be a testbed, and nothing more. Honestly, I think it woulda been interesting if all the VF-0s we saw in Zero were rigged differently, better accentuating their status as a technology testbed. It's pretty much the only place where Macross has a legitimate excuse to pull a Gundam and give everyone unique mecha.

Exactly. It's not like any of the people running the syndicated programs actually watched them beforehand. ... Actually, come to think of it... I gather a problem Robotech had was that many stations didn't broadcast the episodes in order, assuming it was 1-shot episodes like American cartoons. Syndication may not have been a good target in the first place.

That's actually a disingenuous argument, one of many HG and their apologists have created. Think about it. Yes, they had to have so many episodes for syndication. But where does it say they had to be rewritten to flow together? They could've translated them as 3 standalone programs, united under the Robotech banner. This was done by another company... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_Five Damn skippy! Fire up the Northern Cross CD!

Meh. That was born here, and will hopefully die here. Just be glad it's not the doorknobs.

I don't THINK this one's posted... but I didn't follow the thread closely. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obPyQ92vS04 Triangler ... and Dancougar. C'mon, Dancougar!

Welcome to the fold. Feel the love of Kawamori as it washes over you. Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.

Ditto. Well... I actaully prefer the TV-style Macross to the DYRL/refit-style. Daedalus Attack is SO much more fun to say than ARMD Attack. Looks like the kid even gave us a shout-out in his apology. "Of course, I would like to apologize to all my readers, especially to the ones at macrossworld.com if I have invoked any suicidal tendencies or sparked any passionate rage in them. " And as a reward for laeding a heathen towards the light, we shall now be blessed by the Hory Froating Head.

Just joking around. I actually recognized it. Heck, I even liked Macross 7. But I'm not above poking fun at it. Even for random reasons of insanity.

Not to mention the Jetfire paintjob is pretty close to the Hikaru DYRL scheme already. Ignoring FAST packs, you just add a red nosecone and visor.