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I like the look of this things, but overall really prefer the Toynami fighter sculpt to the CMs. Too bad, Toynami will never make one.

Is that CMs?

Ok, watched it. Not what I was expecting at all. *** SPOILERS *** Nice to see references to the collateral damage that they're doing, but I didn't realize just how MERCENARY this private army was. Each rider is out for themselves? Seems like we have a ton of very selfish characters. Not sure what to think yet. I assume that as time goes on they become more of a cohesive team, and maybe friends.

Watched the episode 4 RAW, but not subbed yet.

If Harmony Gold hadn't gotten the rights to Macross, I don't think I ever would've been introduced to mature anime, at least not at an appropriately impressionable age. Despite people's dislike of Harmony Gold (and I am definitely one of them), a lot of us owe a good bit of thanks to Carl Macek, I think. How about you go back in time and renegotiate the terms of the purchase to the rights of Macross, so that they would've reverted away from Harmony Gold as soon as Robotech stopped being on regular televised rotation in the USA?

Downloaded it last night. Going to watch it tonight after my gf goes to sleep, and then I'll let you know.

Yeah, I know, but thought it would be a fun one. Depite all of his Xbox 360 games and everything else, my son and I still break out the old PS2 to play Robotech: Battlecry. We have a lot of fun with that one. Too bad Invasion was only multiplayer is you went online.

LOL Thanks for the input.

Thanks for the insight everyone. So would you say to avoid it, or it's ok, for the right price?

I think so, but I guess I'm asking for two reasons: 1) I've only bought New Gen/MOSPEADA Robotech tems, not Macross, so I know about the quality of the New Gen ones, but not how bad (or good?) the Macross ones might be. 2) Yamata has a history (at least with their Megazone stuff) of improving as they go. Meaning, there were a few problems with the original Garland. They received complaints, manufactured a new swap-in part that could be used by the consumer to fix their existing ones, and then on the later Proto-Garland included improvements for those problems, and for additional items that could be improved but weren't necessary major. My Proto-Garland is MUCH better than my Factory Color Garland. I don't know if Toynami did the same thing and, by the time they did the Jack Archer, had fixed problems that were in the earlier ones (whatever those may have been). I doubt they did, based on their recent statement of not being aware of problems with the Alphas befor the Maia Stirling, but may have.

Is that from personal experience, or from what you've heard from others? Just curious. Thanks for the reply, btw.

I know there were various issue with the Robotech Masterpiece editions (all of them, from what I hear). Does anyone have any experience with the Jack Archer one? Since it was the last of the Macross ones, were any prior issues resolved/fixed/improved? Thanks for any advice you have to offer.

Really? FINALLY!!! Now to try to find it. Where did you find the torrent?

Gibson (the author of numerous books, like Neuromancer and Mona Lisa Overdrive, as opposed to Gibson, the author of a number of disappointing Robotech comics) introduced a lot of new concepts which are now considered commonplace.

Sorry to nitpick, but it really bugs me when people talk about the show blatantly contradicting it like that. To me, and I know this is a minor detail, MACROSS blatantly contradicts it. However, ROBOTECH being its own entity, I prefer to think of it as ROBOTECH being whatever Macek intended it to be (in this case, including the thinking caps), but the animation just not allowing to present it. I know, this seems like a silly little detail, but that's just how I personally prefer to look at it.

The thinking caps were original. Macek and the "McKinney" authors came up with the idea, since Macek hated the idea of simple hand controls being able to control a robot mecha, but the original animation which he used for Robotech didn't allow for a better explanation until the novels came along. I saw the Silverback in Prelude to the Shadow Chronicles, and it's in the Shadown Chronicles RPG book. Kind of cool. I first thought maybe it was an unused design from MOSPEADA, but I think it must be original. It looks directly based on the MOSPEADAs/Cyclones, whereas most MOSPEADA mecha were more... original, I guess I would say.

Very true, especially with the stuff from the comics. Some of the new mecha (like the Praxiam horse) that were in Sentinels were, I THINK, actually unused Southern Cross designs.

You know, I was originally under the impression that they were basing it on continuing New Gen too, and ignoring Sentinels. I had mixed feelings about this, since I LOVED New Gen, but have very warm memories of Sentinels as well, based on the novels. On the other hand, I've been reading the Sentinels comics this week, and realize they have been taking ideas from it a lot more than they seem willing to admit. Unfortunately, I think they also screwed up a lot of those ideas (like everything to do with the Haydonites).

Thanks, I appreciate it. I also want to echo the thanks to everyone participating in this thread. It's kind of fun for me.

Thanks for the link. I've seen this before (I think somebody posted this on the first page, if I remember correctly, in reply to the question of what order to read the comics in), but have only skimmed it. I guess I selfishly wanted to put my own thoughts down on paper (computer screen?) first, and then will read other people's opinions as well.

I agree to a decent degree. I think the comics are generally considered to be more cannon by a lot of fans, but since neither one is currently Harmony Gold's cannon, I choose the cannon which I think is better written and more fully thought out... the novels.

I really really loved the novels, ESPECIALLY the Sentinels ones. I feel like more of the authors' own writing talents came through there. I am a big comic fan, but really have been disappointed by some of the Robotech comics (as my reviews above show). That being said, the Sentinels comics (thus far) have been MUCH better than I expected. I recommend them, but really prefer the novels. By the way, even though I have the novels, I just downloaded them too. Have you looked into BitTorrents? Just want to say, thanks for actually reading my reviews/thoughts on these comics. I'm glad they can be of use.

Just watched episode 5. What the f*** is it will all of the property damage? Two buildings blown up, getting one sniper? I find it strange that the bodyguards and the sniper all have the exact same mecha that the main characters do, just with different color schemes.

Robotech II: The Sentinels: Book Three (#1-8 Eternity, #9-22 Academy): The series continues, though minus one of the two authors. It's not a huge difference, though I do feel that the dialogue suffers for it a little. It just seems less natural here, so it may be that the other author handled a lot of the writing of that side of things, or they just worked well together to make it sound right. The story continues very nicely, with the Garudan campaign now being the main focus. We do see a lot more going on with Edwards and the SDF-3, which is important, and correct in regards to the scripts for the episodes and the novels, though personally I want to see more Sentinels and more mecha. Now, there are some changes taking place: - As of issue 7, the Waltrips are now handling writing as well. Initially, they write together, though later on they alternate issues, where one does all of the art and writing on an issue, then the other does all of the art and writing on the next issue. At the same time as this happens, a new assistant editor steps in and, I must say, we start seeing A LOT more typos. Personally, I find this very annoying, though a lot of people probably don't really care. Who knows where to lay the blame for this one, with the writers now having more typos to begin with, or the new editor not catching and correcting them. We also see a lot more text against dark backgrounds, making it much tougher to read, but again, who knows... - As of issue 9, the books stops being published by Eternity and begins being published by Academy. First change you notice with Academy is that, in my opinion, the covers get really ugly. Just not to my taste at all. I liked the Eternity ones a lot, thought they felt like they suited the books very nicely, but, seeing the Academy ones again for the first time in a number of years, I remember that these covers are what scared me off fro these books in the first place. - With this point in the series, we see another change: More action, and much quicker progression of the story. Everything moves much faster; in fact, a little too fast for my personal taste. We see much less character development, and sub-plots with various characters seem to get glossed over, or simply forgotten. Now, is this the fault of the Waltrips, or of Academy? A little bit of both, in my opinion. When the Waltrips took over, they said in an interview that they were going to try to move to every issue corresponding to double the chapters in the novels that they previously did (interestingly, they don't mention why they are taking over writing). At the same time, when Academy beings publishing, one of the full page ads for Robotech II: The Sentinels says something to the effect of "same creators, same story, more ACTION!" As I've said before, I thought the pacing was perfect previously, but I think it's too fast now. Additionally, it seems like we start skipping over entire events at this point. - Another problem I have is that Eternity ran a contest towards the end where people could submit their own characters, and the winner would be included in the comic. The winner, a Lt. Nicks, gets put in really jarringly. Artistically, she never looks like she fits, in any of her appearances, and her subplot is handled really awkwardly... and she keeps reappearing! And being reintroduced every time! Then, the runner-up in the contest, Praxa, is introduced as well. Her appearance is never really explained well, and she just sort of sits there, contributing nothing. There seems to be a mistery about her but then, towards the end of this book of Sentinels, she is pretty much left dangling and forgotten. The only significant thing she does is **** spoiler **** for no understandable reason, she makes out with a drunk Wolff, causing him to not notice a shuttle leave Garuda **** end of spoiler **** I thought this was really random, and a disservice to the fans to have this happen, with no further explanation. The story very clearly begins deviating from the novels more and more with the Waltrips writing, such as during the voyage into the "Hin." Not to my taste, but not a gigantic issue either. Now, the above probably comes across as very negative, but it is because I was enjoying this series SO MUCH before these events took place. I still like it. A lot. I still highly recommend it. It's just not as good as the previous books of Sentinels.

That was for the first film, when she was supposed to transform into a Buell. Since they never used her, but did release the designs (and a toy based on something between that and a GSXR1000), they redid her for the new movie. In line with the other combiners in the new movie, it looks as though she is 3 bikes that combine into a more regular-sized robot. The three bikes are a blue, pink, and purple bike, all custom sportbikes.