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MGREXX, you jackass, stop being a wanker. Don't give me any of this 'love Robotech' crap cause you're just a closet Macross fan who is an attention whore. Stop being part of the problem!

Your implication being Robotech's current crop of artists ripped those designs off, are totally unoriginal blah, blah, fragging blah. Right? Eventhough I pointed out that both came from Mospeada.

No, its a design thats been with Mospeada from the beginning. Of course, it looks inspired by the White Base, but saying it looks ripped off is not only stupid, it shows a lack understanding about the anime world. The design in question was seen in a pan shot during the opening segment of Mospeada. They are the ships in-between the MARS III Orbital Armoury and the IZUM-series logistics ships, almost like a chopped in half-Ikazuchi. Tommy just made the forward end conform to the doors present on the forward end of the Ikazuchi's. No, the colouring is that same slate blue/grey that most Mars Base uniforms have been for years. The cut of the uniform is basically the same, though it appears Wolfe's has epaulettes not present on the newer UEEF uniform. The Mars Base triangle is there, they've just added three circles to differentiate it from the regular Mars Base insignia and now says United Earth Expeditionary Force. So, I don't really see what the problem is.

You mean this design here, from which that drop ship is partially based, right? Oh, you mean the Colonel Wolfe flashback uniform we see from Eulogy

Yea sure, if you go tell it to your happy persony football pad wearing John Lennon wannabe who pilots a fighter with a guitar. Or maybe to his boob fighter pilot friends who also pilot their fighters with guitars and drums. How about them Keith? How about stupid Cthulu-esque monsters that can be stopped by just singing Kumbaya?

Nah, we sleep the sleep of the just since Macross 7 came along.

The MegaZone 23 II dub was done by Intersound in the US and had most of the voice cast from Robotech. I'm not certain, but I believe it was produced not too terribly long after MegaZone 23 was released as Robotech: The Movie, because it contained 10-minute ending Harmony Gold comissioned for Robotech: The Movie.

MGREXX is a jackass, so its not hard to see his comments as lame.

*snicker* I personally could care less if they showed him with tentacles, green fangs and 2 heads. I'm more interested in the drop ships....

Ok, new art released for Prelude to the Shadow Chronicles #3, apparently showing a grey haired Rick Hunter.... Now, can one of the Mospeada gurus tell me if the drop ships shown on that cover are in fact the images shown here as #4 & #7 as well as sketched by Rtsurfer here.

I want to say that this image is from the Mospeada Graffiti book, but I'm not sure cause I don't yet own a copy. Cyclone would know. Hopefully he will post.

Great pics Yui! Psst, Yui is a SHE. Quite a pretty she, in fact.

And the distributor for The Shadow Chronicles is.....New Line Cinema. The Sydney Symphony Orchestra did the BGM. Release date is 2006, which is what alot of people guessed based on the comic books. Probably looking at February.

Hmm....so they were supposed to have 5 mins worth of credits to list all the animators?

Sylvie. Why: cause she jiggles when running.

Best guess is December '05, right after Prelude to the Shadow Chronicles finishes.

Sorry, we've already had musical mecha in Robotech before, and people hated it. It was called Lancer's Rockers for the Robotech RPG. Needless to say, nothing so far, thank God (or Crom as it is) that The Shadow Chronicles does not appear to be going down that path.

God....I feel like Im watching badly dubbed anime....

Although AgentONE and I agree totally on Macross 7, I would say do yourself the favour and watch before making an informed opinion. Just don't complain to me if you feel like your eyeballs are bleeding after watching it....

Basically, yes. His death precipitates the demise of the Republic. If not the main cause, it was certainly a major factor. Or it jumped to some place between the stars and waited until pursuit caught up with it just in time to jump again. No reason to believe the boobytrap left aboard was a one-shot deal. No reason to believe the Masters we see in Robotech are the whole kit-and-kaboodle. We know there is at least one other fleet under the control of The Elders somewhere out there. My guess is that the war with the DoZ sucked every last resource the Masters had access to, making trying to find the SDF-1 both stupid and bold. For one thing, the Masters did NOT know the SDF-1 had landed on Earth and only confirmed they found the Protoculture Factory in Half Moon. They were not sure what had caused Dolza's Grand Fleet to go up in smoke, debating either the DoZ opened up a new offensive or somehow the Invid got ahold of the protoculture matrix. A reasonable extrapolation of the situation in 2011 would include the outlying sections of the Robotech Empire crumbling and declaring independence, ala Asimov's Foundation Universe. There could be hundreds of Warlords carving out their own fiefs and scrambling to grab every last ounce of protoculture at their disposal. The Pioneer Expedition probably blundered into more than one group like this because the Colonel Wolfe flashback in Eulogy claims Wolfe 'destroyed many of the enemies encountered by Admiral Hunter's Expeditionary Force'.

It was in The Graphic Novel, thats true. However, The Graphic Novel itself was full of a number of plot holes. That is one of the main reasons Macek sucks as a writer. Despite what people believe, he did NOT write Robotech. The Tv series trumps everything as it came first. The Tv series establishes that the Robotech Republic collapsed some 500,000 yrs ago at the hands of the Zentraedi. Dolza says that the ancestors of the Zentraedi once had the secrets of Robotechnology, but lost them through a series of wars. Zor Prime says the original Zor died on a mission while seeding a planet with the spores of the Flower of Life (not seeds, spores. It mutates the local fauna to support itself). The Regiss tells Scott Bernard's group that it was the forefathers of the Invid that fled from the engulfing shadow of the Robotech Masters (That means she was not alive at the time and the Invid were different way back when). She also states that the Invid had to give up their homeplanet twice in their recorded history and travel elsewhere. Taken all together we get the idea: - Zor, bent on rapine and plunder, led some group that kicked the snot out of the Invid and took their planet from them. - The ancestors of the Invid bug out for points unknown. Zor then develops the science of Robotechnology and the use of protoculture. - The Robotech Republic forms, either replacing a pre-existing structure or forming along its own lines. - Zor at some points develops the ancestors of the Zentraedi either as a slave labour or police force. He then macronizes them and arms them to the teeth as a cheap interstellar police force. They decide they want a larger slice of the pie and go about smashing the crap out of everything. - Zor dies at the hands of his own creation and what becomes the SDF-1 is sent to Earth. - Two rival factions survive the collapse the Robotech Republic: The Robotech Masters and The Disciples of Zor. The Masters gain control of some or all of the Zentraedi at some later date and begin attacking the DoZ. - The Invid become a target again at some point and have to flee once more for parts unknown. - Somebody gets the bright idea to search for Zor's lost battlefortress and solve the looming logistical crisis due to the long drawn out war with the DoZ. All that I have written is either stated or can be inferred from dialogue and screen captures in The Robotech Masters, Khyron's Revenge, The Invid Connection, Catastrophe, Midnight Sun, Dark Finale and Symphony of Light.

Only in the novels. The child to be Zor was also in an alternate reality set up by The Haydon. Novels only. The original Zor died at the hands of the rampaging Zentraedi some 500,000 yrs ago. The Regiss was not alive at the time, as she says it was the Invid's forefathers that were 'engulfed in the Shadow' (a term she uses to describe The Masters).

Well, the UES Tristar is named as such in eps. #53 The Hunters. Unnamed Bridge Tech:Tristar ship is now approaching the orbital zone. . .Tristar arrival time is approximately 22 hundred hours and ten minutes Earth standard time. As for some of the others, Tokugawa was chosen by the uRRG which happens to fit with the Jack McKinney novels having a ship of similar name/profile (though not the same ship, because McKinney operated under the same misperception as Macek that Major Carpenter's Super Carrier was unique). Some, such as Ardennes-class Battlecruiser, Nelson-class Destroyer, Cheyenne-class Transport and Honolulu-class Tug were names I submitted to Robotech.com for the Southern Cross Infopedia section. I felt the names the uRRG used were less than inspiring. I also refuse to give the Tristar's the designation Large Cruiser as thats kinda loopy. I call them Cruiser Leaders. As far as any of us know, none of the ships in Southern Cross were named except Major Lombard's Algada. Robotech follows suit with the exception of the Tristar. Its simply called a flagship (and we see that there are more than one, so maybe Squadron Command Ship would be better).

Well....finally figured out what that ship on the second page was.... Its a Mospeada-modified Tristar from Southern Cross. Tommy had mentioned that we would see one Tristar briefly. It would seem to have undergone a significant refit. They added 2 Alpha Quicklaunch bays, one on either sponson. That should bump the fighter complement up to almost 300.