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What real difference would it make to the story though? As of now all we can really do is speculate. I believe that if the creators really thought it was pertinent to the story, for us to know how Ranshe learned the song, they would have told us. Like the others, the only things I can think of would be that she either came across the Vajra singing that song or she somehow deciphered the song from something.

I gave it a nine (9) because I believe some of the animation could have been a tiny bit better...and because the love triangle wasn't fully resolved. I think the story is really well done with the plots and twists it had. There were some definite tear jerking moments in Frontier...as well as some funny ones. To me, a great story is one that jerks you around emotionally...and Frontier did just that. The characters were well thought out and developed; I'd say I'm pretty attached to the whole lot of them. It was heartbreaking to see Klan so distraught over Michael...hell I even felt the loss of Michael. The music is just fantastic; Yoko Kanno really out did herself I think. There are times where I'll listen to nothing but the music from Frontier. The animation was top notch in my opinion. Sure, there are some scenes that could have been drawn better...but I understand there's budget constraints and the likes...so it's no big deal in my opinion. Then there's the mecha pr0n! There was plenty of it and it was beautifully orchestrated if you ask me. Anyway.... I'm so glad that I rediscovered the Macross Saga back in 1995. It's because of the Macross Saga that I've come to fully enjoy the Macross series. The Macross series has been a BIG part of my life; I have much love for it! I CANNOT wait to see what's next!!!!!!

Oh yeah? I was right about the connection between Frontier and Zero long before the teaser for Frontier even came out! With the way Zero ended, I was thinking Frontier was going to have something to do with the events in Zero.

I voted no to both...only because I believe nothing could ever top the original that started it all. I don't see how some of you are saying Frontier's animation wasn't that great. It's a lot better than what's seen in Macross 7, in my opinion. Overall, Frontier is one of the best in the series.

So it all boils down to the capitalization of the letter "n"? I've always taken it as their way of avoiding any legalities tied to SDF Macross. Story-wise though, it'd be nice to see why the transition was made. I haven't had a chance to play through VF-X2...since it never came to the States. I guess I could search online for a synopsis of the story found in VF-X2....

Yes, I didn't like what happened to the SDF-1, but I thought the story was great...along with the music, characters, and animation. As for using the Minmay Attack 80 years later. From my understanding all they were really dealing with were rogue Zentraedi. They had an effective means of disorienting those Zentraedi and it was working for them for that long. If it isn't broken, why fix it? It makes perfect sense to me. It just annoys me to see someone fault II for using plot devices found in another show. ...And of course I would never take offense...it is your opinion and you are, of course, entitled to it just like everyone else. To each their own. Edit: My apologies for going off-topic.

A lot of people care. How could one not care?! Frontier essentially revolves around Alto, Sheyrl, and Ranka. I don't see how anyone could watch a show and not care what happens with it's main characters. Sure, there's a bigger picture to be seen...but when hasn't there been a bigger picture? Just because a lot of us want the triangle resolved DOESN'T mean we're ignoring or forgetting everything else that happened in Frontier. When one gets emotionally attached and invovled with a show, it's hard not to get attached to the characters and want answers. At least that's how it is for me....

Well I never expected to see what became of the Megaroad-01. I've come to terms that we won't find out. If anything, I was hoping to see what became of Shin and Sara. As for all of "Kawamori's trolls," I just took them all as nods to the previous shows...and nothing more. Macross Frontier is truly epic; it has far exceedingly surpassed my expectations on all fronts. I'm actually quite saddened and bummed out that Frontier is over. I can only imagine what the movie will bring.

...Have you seen any of the other Macross shows? You can't tell me that none of them have borrowed from each other. Again, II uses a lot of the same plot DEVICES as DYRL?...but it's a completely DIFFERENT story. Does no one else see that? Does no one else see any of the similarities between SDF Macross and Macross Frontier? So why rag on Macross II?

As much as I love II...nothing could ever top SDF Macross (TV) in my opinion. It was Macross TV that made me fall in love with the series. 1. SDF Macross 2. Macross II 3. Macross DYRL? 4. Macross Frontier 5. Macross Plus 6. Macross Zero 7. Macross Flashback 2012 8. Macross 7 That's how I rank them.

I guess I'm one of your "Sheyrl shippers" that you speak of. What do you make of what happened in episode 24 between Sheyrl and Alto then? Sure there's no clear confession of love from him, but to me the signs point to Sheryl more so than they do for Ranka.

Haha, of course! I thought episode 24 did a great job of leading up to what happened in episode 25. Grace got what was coming to her, as did Leon. We got to see who Bilrer was hoping to meet. Ranka finally remembered who she was towards the end of the series. All we really didn't get was a definitive answer in regards to the love triangle. What other plots am I missing? Sure, they could have gone a little more in depth with some of the stuff...but it is what it is. I just wish they had let us know who Alto chose.

I too just got a PS3. My PSN ID is Ashmedae

I honestly don't see how everything was rushed, as you purport/imply. Please elaborate on how these sub-plots were sloppily tied together.

Hmmm, thanks for clarifying that scene for me. I'm still not convinced it was a harem ending though. The scene I was talking about in episode 24 has me thinking otherwise. ...How many times has Alto kissed Ranka and Sheyrl? Ranka once, Sheyrl twice? ...Without a definitive answer from the creators...I'm thinking Alto chose Sheryl. I say that because of what happened in episode 24, and because of everything else that has happened throughout Frontier. I would elaborate more....

So, did Alto choose Sheryl or not? In episode 24 I was given the impression that Alto had chosen Sheryl. Going off Lunar's subs, Alto said "A person can't fly alone. He mustn't fly alone. Now that I understand that...." Then Sheryl makes a statement about how dense he is and that they should stop pretending to be lovers.... Alto reacts as if he were going to correct Sheryl...then the kiss happens. We all know Sheyrl's feelings for Alto...so I don't think she'd just step aside when Alto seems to have shown some feelings for her in the past. I'd think that Sheryl would 'fight' (for lack of better wording) for Alto's love...to the end. It seemed to me that Sheyrl knew were Alto's feelings were and was okay with them...telling Alto to go save Ranka. To me it seems Alto chose Sheyrl. Now, I don't know how to speak Japanese...and there aren't any subtitled versions of episode 25 out yet. But going off just what I saw...I'm a little confused. It's at about 11 mins and 30 seconds that I'm confused as to where the triangle is going. I don't know if Sheyrl was conceding to Ranka because she knew she was going to die or what was really going on there. I keep reading that it's a harem ending...but are we all really sure? I wish I could understand Japanese! I'm taking a class to learn it...but I'm nowhere near being able to understand it like that! I wish a sub would come out already! Moreover, I love the nod to Macross II! Sheyrl, the "emulator" for the NUNS; Ranka, the "emulator" for the Vajra (at first). Edit: Grammar

...nvm.

My sentiments exactly! Just because Kawamori Shoji isn't envolved doesn't make it any less Macross or canon. Edit: Is it really a common misconception that the image projected is Minmay? I never thought the image of that woman was Minmay...I mean it doesn't even look like Minmay! Maybe if it were a Minmay song they were playing, then I'd probably think it was Minmay. If anything, when I first saw II I thought the image of that woman was the new idol.

Great post! I agree with a lot of the points you've made...which I think all are pretty solid. It'd be nice if it was recognized once again as canon. One could even consider it an ending to the Macross series, with the way the Macross is destroyed. As for relying on the Minmay Attack. Even in Frontier they were relying on Ranka to sing...so I don't see how relying on the Minmay Attack, 80 years after SDF Macross took place, is not plausible. [Fanboy]Macross II 0wnz![/Fanboy]

And right you are. =( You know...now that I think about it. I'd love it if they expanded on the Macross II universe!

Just because Kawamori wasn't involved doesn't make Macross II non-canon (even though it is non-canon). Edit: I have no idea where Macross will go from here. After Zero I had an idea that Frontier was going to involve elements from Zero...but now? I guess we'll have to wait for the ending. I'd definitely would love to see more Macross though.

It wasn't THAT bad. I don't mind remakes as long as they're done right. I've always wanted to see SDFM re-animated (as much as I love the show as is). It'd be nice to see it with updated animation. I mean...keep the original audio...but bring back Haruhiko Mikimoto, Kazutaka Miyatake, and Shoji Kawamori (of course) and re-animate it! Could you guys imagine Frontier/Zero quality animation with the SDFM story? *drools*

A friend of mine told me that, regardless of which model one may have, they can download the emulation software from the PS Store and play PS2 games. Is this true? Could someone please confirm this for me? I'm not having much luck with Google. ...Maybe I'm just using the wrong keywords. Anyway, thanks in advance!

I was looking at the 60 GB models on Amazon and Good Lord are they expensive.... Anywhere from $700 to $1300 brand new! The 60 GB models have the hardware emulation while the 80 GB models have the software emulation...right? I'm a little worried about compatibility issues if I were to go with the 80 GB model.... Edit: I just found out that only certain 80 GB models are backward compatible. I guess I need to find myself a MGS bundle.... Edit #2: Does anyone know how long the MGS bundles will be sold?

Haha. Thank you Duke Togo!