Jasonc

Man, I'd love to get one of those, what looks like a concert program. Anyone have extras???

If you do start on this, I suggest starting with the Ghost x-9 in 1/60 scale. That seems to be a topic of interest lateley, and by what I've researched, doing this method would look better than the 1/72 model kit that came out several years ago.

While OT, I will say that I love the VA-3 Invader. The retro look is just awesome.

Not too bad at all. I can't wait to see it all painted up. It's kinda hard to get a feel on what it'll look like painted, but it'll be interesting to see.

I didn't mind him being on here at all, so long as questions he asked were not beaten to death. Then, when he started making assumptions about this site and the people posting here, it got a little annoying. However, at least you were able to brush him up on a few things, Gubaba.

I think your friend should read these threads before trying to interject here. This site has never been in the practice of trying to "win converts". Macrossworld has, and has been a site dedicated to Macross. The reason most of us are here is for Macross alone. We don't need "allies" in some craptastic fan perceived war. If you did read through the thread, I think you'd see moreso that most of the jabs that people take here in regards to RT is based on current productions, merchandise, and business practices. I don't know what you were expecting on this site, in particular, this thread, but coming in here, attempting to correct people that have been on this site for a tenured time is really annoying. Especially in light of the fact that you've only been on this site, what, a day? While I do believe we should all be respectful of one another, yours and your buddy's preconceived ideas of this site without any thorough research is not a way to win any argument you have.

So, you mean the thousands of dollars I spent on all the variations of Robotech on DVD and Blu-Ray, I didn't have to spend??? (J/K) LMAO

It doesn't suck really. If you're gonna get labled, usually those are the ignorant ones. It usually tells you which people don't have the knowledge or mentality to have a decent conversation. I still think MW simply gets blamed for starting their own garbage crusades, simply cause they can't face their own shortfalls. It's been done before, and will probably be done again. I really don't care what they like to say. We don't need ammunition for them, they simply hand deliver it over here.

Yep, got my shipping notice today as well. This toy looks like an absolute blast to play with. I'll be up later playing with this thing when it comes. Hopefully by thursday as well. Thanks for the pics guys. Those pics sell this thing alone.

There was one incident several years ago where one of the MW members asked the HG staff how they felt bootlegging the 3 seperate series. Needless to say, I know that stirred the pot like no one could believe, and I know a large feud started with that. Don't really know if that started all of it or not, but I think it was a build up of things that got that question asked in the first place. Because there are some people who have some knowledge, and some status withing the niche boards, and because a lot of rt.com old fans come here, I'm sure HG likes to come here and check out the threads here. From what I've noticed, and this is just my researched observation, Macrossworld is only a portion of a large fanbase. There are many other sites dedicated to Macross talk, although, not as organized as here. Also, most of them are in Japanese language, unlike here. Although this site does represent a small portion of the Macross fanbase, its influence is pretty prominent. I mean, Graham has connections to Yamato, and our opinions do seem to count here as far as toys (too a certain extent). That's probably something that bugs some of the RT extremists, as they can't even get a decent t-shirt. As for the seemingly risen strife between both sides, I think this time it's more on the RT extremists side. The spreading of some strange idea that HG is in total control of Macross and can do what they want with the designs and banning anyone who disagrees is dividing their fans, and then those Robotech fans are getting labled as Macross purists. So, it seems like their own "civil war" is somehow being blamed on Macross fans. I guess they'd rather have someone else to blame than blame themselves. Funny, that does seem to fit the Robotech staff at the helm and how they operate.

"I do this for all Robotech fans..." While I don't condone the pieing idea, even if it was done again, I don't think it sent a message to them the first time. Perhaps it's the reason why their news is more sparse than ever (not that it was out in any regular frequency anyways). They are probably trying to save themselves from more incidents like that. But, I say, we all go out for some pie

I never knew RTsurfer, but I'm really good friends with Darkwater. We don't really ever talk about Robotech at all. If we ever did, it was more to talk about the drama that was going on, as we both talk to other people who are still into the RT franchise somewhat. When Macross Frontier was airing, a group of us would get together and watch those episodes, so that group has been transitioning to Macross, but for the lot of them, Robotech has pretty much died, and not even a live action movie is gonna bring it back. Basically, biting the hand that feeds is HG's mentality, and they're running out of giving hands. Then again, that's an easy thing to do since HG isn't reciprocating the respect.

Nah, it's nothing more than a double standard. It's never a problem until they are looking to ban you, or you are in their radar. Just chaulk up another mark on them.

I don't think you'd have to worry too much about legal issues. If you're making these with no profit, and at such limited numbers, I don't think it'll be an issue. If it is, you'll get a C&D order,,,basically just a "stop doing that" letter. In any case, I'd be delighted to support this cause.

In regards to the first statement... HG, uses that other "safety clause" to not unveil the true facts. Ask a question about rights, and they throw in the use of all Robotech. Dig further, and supposedly, they "aren't allowed to say". The fact is, is that it's not divulging anything about the specifics of their contracts, but moreso divulging the conclusions of them. I would say it's clever, but so many people, including many Robotech fans are seeing through it, that it's really hindering them. While it does seem that more fans are showing a true love for Robotech by expressing it in websites and what not that are unrestricted, it also seems like the franchise is even more bleek than before the news of of RTSC came out. For people who can't stand Robotech because of it's dissection of the 3 original series, the news seems good due to the fact that fans are destroying their own fanbase. opposition need only watch. For Robotech fans like Whamhammer, Zen72, and several others, keep your fan love, but I wouldn't support the franchise anymore. There needs to be a line that is drawn that you decide you just aren't going to cross. For me, it was Shadow Chronicles, where I decided I just wasn't gonna give my money to it. The blue Beta was my last hoopla for anything, and that was simply out of principle. I, along with Wham, and a few others, worked hard in getting word out to at least have them notice that the Beta needed to be made. yet, after enough people talked, here it is. Aside from that blue beta in my hands, I do not support the franchise in anyway. I suggest all you fans of RT who are unsatisfied with the BS, and half-@ssed product simply give it up. If you love the characters, the mecha, etc, the 3 original series are just as interesting, if not better. Then again, it's just my opinion, but you need to do what you feel is right.

Cool, thanks. I'm gonna get an issue since I can go to Kinokuniya in a bit.

What NewType issue was that, that had the new delta wing fastpack???

I have to say that I absolutely love the VA-3 designs. I'm odd here, but the VA-3 is one of my favorite valk designs because of the retro look to it, not to mention the fact that it's more of a valk designed for different mission types. You guys definitely have great ideas for color schemes. Keep em all coming. Hopefully if I get time ever, I'll do a few of my own.

That would be awesome. There are so many things that groups of people would like, but simply will not get produced due to lack of mass interests, or the perception of. I too, have always wanted one of these. From what I understand, they now have a 3D scanner, and will scan an object, and create a 3D image of the item. Then can be reproduced. If you get this up and running, I'd suggest putting this inside the Toy forum as well once it's up. I'd be happy to pay for stuff that could be made. Thanks for posting here, and welcome to the forums and your first post.

Whoever went to all the trouble to create that post just wasted their time. But, as I was reading through the thread, Bowspearer had a couple interesting things to say. In one of his last posts, there's a key element there that everyone seemed to miss. It basically sums up that the ability for HG to use Macross designs in new derivative works moreso on the "pro" side of this argument are fan speculation. Since it's been pointed out that BW has put up (now archived) statements saying they have the IP rights, and HG only skirts the question by inserting vague statements replacing the word Macross with Robotech, it seems more that the burden of proof falls on HG. This is something they aren't going to do, simply because they don't have the rights. If BW has made their side clear, Carl Macek has made it clear, and from what HG's legal team seems to point out, HG cannot, and will not use Macross designs. In regards to the statement that the HG staff makes "we can use everything Robotech"...Well, that isn't a lie, but to what extent? The vague statement is true if they take the original footage and use it in a commercial, or decide to use all the original footage to make some weird side story. But, that would be false if using it in the terms of being able to take those same Macross designs, and making new footage using those said designs. I'm still surprised the staff at HG still let's this divide their fandom by not just clearing the air, but somehow, I think they feel it'd hurt their fragile position. They may feel it'd let their fans know that they aren't the all in control company they think they are, and that it'd burst a lot of fan's bubbles to know that Macross isn't coming back in any production work as it was imagined back in the day.

Simply Hawwwwt!!! Been putting away for this one and scrounging up for it.

Which is the reason why I don't buy any of the stuff, and haven't in awhile. Being a fan, and having hope is good and all, but if it's not followed by anything to support positive change, or convey a sense of urgency in fixing the problems, HG isn't gonna know what to do. I wouldn't mind seeing a good anime feature from HG (glad it'd be Macross free for the most part). Likewise, if it's a garbage show, I'm not gonna buy it. I don't buy the product, and I don't buy the movies. The problem is that there aren't enough Robotech fans who think like that though. Most will buy stuff simply cause it has a Robotech lable on it. I'm sure they'd buy poo on a stick if it had the name Robotech on it. That's why I don't think anything will change from the staff. They'll make money putting out a shoddy product, and way too many fans wanting a sense of nostalgia are gonna gobble it up. I don't waste my time with any of the new stuff at all, and a part of why I had a falling out with the staff.

It's gonna spur debate because RT fans don't have a lot of things to believe in. Yeah, there's a LAM supposedly coming and Shadow Rising maybe sometime afterward or around the same time, but there's no word of either, and fans get fickle. They want Robotech to be what it once was, with a staff that is really inexperienced and unable to deliver, so, I think we'll see quite several many of these debates pop up like summer wildfires.

How did that conclusion come from the statement of saying it's ok for people to simply enjoy Robotech for what it is??? While I'm not expecting the most intelligent response here based on this response I'm quoting, given your simplistic conclusion, you might as well say that about a great many things, like Star Wars, Transformers, and arguably Macross. Moving on... Found it http://www.robotech.com/community/forum/re...mp;pagenumber=2 Supposedly, I'm all over the boards starting trouble. I must be feared over there, like the boogie man. I can just hear him saying "quick ban that guy, he must be jasonc, I'm scared!" Cause you know, that's all I do, I troll. Afterall, I'm one of the Macross Purists who loves to create dissention amongst the Robotech camp (sarcasm for the ignorant). Here's the quote from what PTH said Since he reads on here, let me give him a little background. Unlike those that just speculate, I used to ask a lot of "hard" questions of both Tom and Tommy, and occasionally Steve. I spoke to Tommy on a semi-regular basis for a short time, while Tom Bateman was a room mate of mine at my house. So, with that, there isn't fan speculation I put out on the table. And I'm glad Memo and I have enough friendship to know that I wouldn't go on the site there to cause trouble. So, how do I know that the legal team wasn't comfortable using the word Zentraedi??? Simple, word from the staff they support and PTH claims to have said that HG owns all the rights to use the original designs in new derivitive works. So then, how is there a difference in what I'm providing than with what he believe? Perhaps he should stop trying to manipulate the words the staff say into what he wants to believe. Just because something isn't included in a statement doesn't automatically include it in the argument. So far, HG staff has never said anything definitive to say they can make new derivitive works from SDF macross or not. They usually skirt the question by inserting the word Robotech and that they can use anything Robotech, which basically says nothing. It avoids the "new derivitive" phrase. You'd think that if you were in control like HG, if you did have that right, you'd broadcast it everywhere to let people know, especially to save the argument. That's not disclosing specifics of the Tats/HG contracts, but would be stating the conclusion of those and the court rulings. But, since they haven't, I take what I've been told by them and what logic tells me, and I think the conclusion is quite clear.

Graham, have these results been given to Yamato yet? So far, if the VF-2SS or the VF-4 are made, or one after the other, I'd be really happy to see those. I'm still a fan of the VA-3, and although I know a lot of people would buy it out of sheer Macross enthusiasm, I'm a realist. So, bring on the VF-2SS and the VF-4, and I'll buy two of each for sure. Those have been dreams here for how long now???