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It's one thing for speculation to be wrong, however, that seems to make Kevin and the mods think that it always makes them right. But you are right, whether the movies come out or not, going by the facts from Shadow Chronicles, they're not gaining fans, just making some money off of a poorly written time wasting feature.

Hey, just went to www.protoculturetimes.com (JT, or Zen72's site) Very interesting Random Thought podcast. Here's the summary After reading that, it all makes me LMFAO!!! Especially this... Apparently, being a RT mod means you understand how Hollywood works, and that's why if you disagree, you are banned. I'm still trying to figure out what they have been right about, when much of what they've banned people over, they've been wrong about??? Doesn't take rocket science to remember the "use of original SDF:Macross designs in new Robotech productions" fiasco, to see the erroneous claims that have been made. I wouldn't mind seeing Robotech revive in a new and ORIGINAL way (not using the pre-existing designs of MOSPEADA), but the trend and path that it's going on now, I think half, if not more than half the fanbase are not in unison. I think that in order for Robotech to come alive, it probably needs to die where it's at so that someone with vision can pick it up. Maybe that's WB's goals. While this has all been said before, the quote made me think about how highly the mods portray themselves. It's as if they feel that being a mod simply means that what they say is always right. I think that's fine for that site, but the problem is when it gets taken outside of the rt.com community, as it has several times. The more I see of the fans reading through these types of facades, the more it makes me feel that HG should keep doing what they're doing, in order to shrink the fanbase smaller than it is now.

I may be lynching myself here, but strangely enough, I find RT: The Untold Story, more entertaining than Shadow Chronicles. I've tried to wonder why...is it the nostalgia? No, can't be that, cause I don't really have too much of that to justify my position. Can it be,,, wait, yes, only because it is Megazone 23 with a choppy-ass story and cut and paste of Southern Cross and Megazone. Even still, the Megazone footage is enough to keep me somewhat entertained. With Shadow Chronicles, seeing it just makes me want to break something.

Anyone have estimates of when we'll be able to get this for download, and on blu-ray?

Every complaint from a RT fan that I heard this from made me think about this awhile back ago. Here's my hypothesis... My thinking is that it bothers them because they are seeing stuff that brings back the nostalgia of seeing Robotech, but it bothers them because it clearly isn't Robotech. I think it's more of a "sour grapes" type of complaint. If they saw a "verytech" pulling some sort of Minmay rescue, it'd be the greatest thing ever, but because we're the fans who get bestowed great footage, I think they simply find things not to like. I too, thought that criticism they had was quite flat on their part. Especially, in light of the fact that Robotech fans want nothing but to relive Robotech over again from ep.1. They want to see VF-1s, and they want to see things that connect them to the originals, yet they criticize it in a series that isn't Robotech, probably because it's not "theirs".

Thanks Gubaba for the link. It's so interesting that one RT fan who doesn't like everything HG is attacked, then for simple defense, is threatened to be banned. I know that's the narrow sided policies of the site, but even other fans are starting to notice the downward spiral. There were quite a few links over there, and what VFTF1 said here makes a lot of sense... It's not the case all the time, but a general guideline. Most Robotech fans I used to talk to quite often, had no clue about anything outside of Robotech. If the conversation didn't involve HG, or Rick Hunter, they were as blank as a new chalkboard. However, interesting enough, the ones that I'm still good friends with probably can tell you the Japanese voice actresses for some of the popular to moderately popular Japanese animes that never made it to U.S. soil. If RT fans can only equate RT to Star Trek, Star Wars, Pixar, and other things that don't equate the same, of course the views of Robotech are gonna be different. That's not apples to oranges, that's apples to squash. Those guys at rt.com are hurting.

Seeing Akiko is a welcomed portion of the series. She's one of my favorite women for the series,,, at least until another character by the name of Rex comes in a bit.

That's cool news that you've been researching this more than just price. The layers of .004 is awesome too, which means less finishing work and a more detailed end result. Anyways, keep us informed of the progress of the startup. I've been looking into the possibility of doing the Studio Half-eye 1/100 VA-3M Invader in a 1/60 scale. As of now, I have heard from one person who can do it, and they have yet to get me pricing. Because these parts have som rounded parts, it may be simplest to use a scanner. As I'm not hip on the details and specifications of 3D scanners, it seems that at .004 per layer, the detail of rounded objects maybe quite well.

Gubaba, do you have a link. I know, I'd look through the threads, but I really can't stand sifting through the tiresome threads there.

Looks pretty good so far. Good work. Can't wait to see more work and the finished product.

The fans have been groomed with the belief that HG will finish the story with the SDF-3. No future to look forward to, no bigger scope of story, just that small box. After 25 years going on, and being stuck with no new designs, it appears that what is there now, is all the fans want to know and be familiar with. HG has hindered the fans, and the fans haven't even known it, and yet, some of them like being in that state of degradation. After reading Tommy's story ideas for Shadow Rising, it does appear that they may only want to do 2 animated features. It does appear they don't have the creativity or will to continue the series. It must be hard work having to deal with fans in general. Every one of them believe they have the answers to save their precious Robotech.

That's not Macross Ace vol.1, that's Macross The First Vol.1. Macross the First is the flagship manga that is in Macross Ace. It appears it's popularity have earned it a solo book. I've been looking through Macross Ace 3 lately, and I'm really liking the designs of Macross the First. If Macross was redone as an anime series, I don't think it'd be such a bad thing, especially if it was similar to this updated version. So, now we wait another 3-4 months???

In this whole argument about continuing stories that should be left alone or not, it's quite easy to see the end results of the two sides. Macross has, for the most part, created new main characters for every series they've done, along with different sections of time. Because of this, if there isn't a certain part of a story of say, your favorite character, that isn't told, you can simply speculate, and talk about it, like how we kinda did for a bit here. The fans aren't left with the whole package, but get to engage the imagination more than having it all laid out. With Robotech, it has all been clumped into one big cast, and the problem they perpetuate, is that they have had such fear in just moving away from the bootlegged originals, that they no longer can, or feel they no longer can without losing their fans. They've boxed the imagination of the fanbase into this tiny box that only speculates on issues that were animation vs script discrepencies, and tries to fit them so that it makes sense. Either that, or the size of the SDF-1. It seems that's what seperate Macross fans from Robotech fans. We don't need everything spelled out for us. Now, I'm not saying that about all Robotech fans, cause some just watch it cause they know it and its accessibility. I think that applies to more the die hard elitist RT fans, whose biggest goal in life is to see what happens to their favorite war criminal, Rick Hunter.

Thanks for the pics. That printer seems alright for the final product. How many 3D printers are you planning on getting samples from? Also, the samples you pictured, what type of plastic does it print? Do the various printers print w/ various forms of plastic? If so, you may want to look more into the one that has the most durable of plastics. That will also help if you decide to "print" molds. You'll get more copies like that perhaps. Also, I take it that if the paint is holding pretty well, things like putty and all that will bond quite well, too.

That always bugged me when Kevin and co. would say that. Now, I don't care, but then, it was always "you need to spread the word so that people will buy Robotech. If you complain about Robotech, they'll punish us by not telling us anything or giving us anything." Can't feel bad for the fans though, they put themselves in that defenseless, threatened position.

Going away from the negative vibe, I looked through #3 last night, and this issue has the Minmay shower scene, just much more tame. Nevertheless, Mikimoto's pics are simply awesome. The story still falls in line, but has some differences that stand out. For those that got it, you see what I mean. For those that don't have it, don't wanna spoil it for you, but when you get it, you'll like the subtle changes. As for the other stories, there seems to be part of Macross7 Trash in it, but the other stories, I can't tell what's going on, as I don't read or understand Japanese yet. Anyways, I'm happy with it. Good art, and it's a complete book about Macross. What's there not to love?

Hmmm, as I'm not too much in the know about timeline around that time, I suspect Hikaru ended up being mr. mom for awhile. At some point he probably got pissed at the fact that he was playing the subservient role, and decided to re-aquaint himself with his old love Minmay. He ends up having an affair and Hikaru knocks Minmay up and they have a love child Named Basara. Who knows, I'm taking a shot in the dark based on that one M7 episode where the tabloid makes all those funny speculations. At least they didn't turn Minmay into a complete gardening tool like RT novels did.

I can careless about the tinting on the colorless vf-1. The fact that it's not tinted gives the cusomizers who want to heavily detail the canopy can show off their work. If you think about it, this is basically a hybrid toy/model kit, so it's gonna have some elements of a model, like unfinished parts, especially a canopy, where some customizers are gonna go all out. I wonder if Yamato will have a custom contest for this thing? That would be quite awesome, although, I know it wouldn't apply to us outside of Japan. I have a total of 4 of these on preorder, so when they come, I've got a list of customs to do.

If he was given the translations for free, would that mean that the download was free, too? If one still had to pay for it, then I can see where this is going. I went to the page regarding the place to get the other translations, and it's like $10 for a part of Mylene Beat, or something like that. So tell me, ichido reichan, how does the money thing work. If more people donate, is it less money needed, and what is the money needed for? If it's for a translator, then I'd rather just wait for a fan who actually likes this stuff to translate, and I'd be glad to help in that. If you actually provide a nicely done hardcopy, and that's what the money is for, why not give people the option to simply download it?

Yeah, what a bummer that he isn't in the "know". I picked all those up in one day, and the L.A. store has the Sheryl Nome visual book still available. Also got word that my copies of Macross Ace #3 are in, so I'll be getting those tomorrow. It's nice to work right next door to Little Tokyo. As for the guide book, I didn't see it there when I strolled in on my c7 (lunch break). I read your thread on translation, and I do have a question. Maybe it's been answered before, but what is the money paid used for? Also, for example, if only 5 people were interested in a translation, how much would each person have to put in? I'm curious, cause most translation stuff that people do here is free, and any translation I've received, and have worked on has been free. Not to pester, so please don't take it the wrong way, I'm just curious what the money is for?

If Macross had decided to go back to SDF:Macross, and continue the story of Hikaru, Misa, Minmay, etc, how much of it would've been new story, and how much would've been overkill of the characters? I like the way the Macross franchise has started and ended their series. The formula they have in place is working, so, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Finally, after the long wait, all 3 helmets have arrived!!! Needless to say, these replicas are huge, and having all 3 now is a lot of space...Not so much the helmets, but the boxes they come in. I'm thoroughly happy with them, and after inspection, all of mine are minty white, no flaws. I think my favorite is the Max Jenius helmet. I think these helmets however, are more 1/ 4/5 scale, or slightly larger than 1/1 scale. The size of them, even for a normal person, is quite big, and the width of them is quite large as well. Nevertheless, I love these things, and to have all 3 is wonderful. Awesome work, Yamato. Now, to work on the chest support system for the pilot.

I do agree here, and HP, to answer your question, there is lots of fill-in story around, although I don't know how official it is. But there are books that fill the gaps as to what happens to many of the characters. As far as the Minmay, Misa, Hikaru triangle, I understand what you feel to some extent. For me, I'd like at least a synopsis of what happened, not necessarily the details, and a rehash of a love triangle that has already played out. While there was a satisfying feeling in seeing Rick Hunter in Sentinels, after reading the story, I couldn't stand what they turned Minmay into. It was just a lousy way to turn such a great cast of characters into less-than-epic characters. The idea that Hikaru, Misa, and Minmay just kinda disappear off into the sunset does leave me wanting to find out more, but I can understand Kawamori's intentions of not wanting to convolute the story. Still, I always thought there could've been some balance between what happened, and not destroying the story.

Hmmm, not to be OT, but I love Ikki Tousen. For fan service, and a good fight here and there, that show is awesome. When it comes to RT, there are many things I can say about it's current position, and how it's not going to expand or grow like the propaganda says, but just by virtue of the fact that their current medium of Broadcast is through feature presentations, that's already gonna limit them from growing fans. One thing I thought of, is if they had such marketability, why is it they can't get a Robotech series on T.V.? I know they would've liked to. I know Kevin McKeever had a hard-on for Fox, and bugged them to no end to see Robotech as a viable product. As you can all see, it didn't make it to television, so there you go. Anyways, at this point, it seems the only thing Robotech has become is even more of a chop shop. It's now just bits of incoherent micro sized pieces of 3 anime, and that's it. Robotech isn't even anime anymore, in the true sense of the word.

I don't completely invalidate Robotech at all, and label it a bad show by any means. What it did was give a lot of people a love for anime, especially mecha, and brought a lot of people to these boards. Robotech had it's merits. Whatreally is the dividing line, is the incarnations post 1990, that everything goes down hill. You can probably date it earlier, but I'm just going off quick memory here. Anyways, Robotech, and the way it's been moving, and treating its fans, should just go quietly in the night. Even the age when Robotech was pounding out comics all over the place is better than what is going on over there now.