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yeah, that was classic!!! I haven't used that line since high school. Thanks for taking me back a long ways. It's great to see that things are kinda back to normal. I'm waiting for someone to post about some podcaast of hate for us. I think we're so hated sometimes cause we're usually right. That can piss off many a trouble makers trying to push an agenda.

Freakin' A-right!!! That is awesome!!! I agree w/ Gubaba. I am envious of you, man. Looks like that was a heck of a lot of fun.

Wait, fill me in here. A depopulation I understand from Space War 1. Was Milia 15 yrs old when she got married? Where is that mentioned? If in M7 (the ep. I missed), I'll have to rewatch it.

I like the whole thing with Mylene being set up with Gamlin. Miriya sees that her daughter is now at the age when she needs to think about marriage (at what 14, I think it's kinda an old tradition). To me, it looked as though Mylene's reaction to that was more like a "do I really have to?" response. However, the terms on which they meet is very interesting. This episode was very rich with Mac II music, which I do like as well. I find it fun to see the "artists" of the various Mac II songs in action, especially Ultra Rave. LOL. With Basara, he still has missiles loaded on his 19, so either he didn't have time to take them out, or he is unsure what route he's gonna go. Will he need them later, and should keep them, or does he remove them. In this ep., he uses them yet again. In anycase, not much happens that's too different from the other episodes. Fun episode though.

What's interesting about the Grace costume on ebay, is that it's very functional, and represents fashion of today. A girl could wear that to work, and nobody, not even a Macross F fan would probably realize what the girl is wearing. Also, I'm not totally sure about this, but that maybe the going price for outfits like that. I'd like to see more Grace cosplay too. She's one of the more sultry women of the series, but probbably isn't so popular due to the fact that here costume isn't so over the top.

See, the sad thing, is that nobody will address that here (speaking of those from rt.com. They'll act as if they never read it, and claim ignorance yet again. But that's HG's MO for avoiding the issues, and that is how their more voicestrous fans skirt the issues...They answer the questions, totally avoiding the real issues in order to save some face. And it's true...they have only come here and just cause trouble. If it was rear debate with some substance, that'd be great. I'd welcome that with open arms (figuratively). However, it's not like that. They make a statement, and argument, and it's countered. Then they make another statement, avoiding what was said to counter. It's usually evidence of a lost argument, and they do it everytime. I'm glad the thread has cooled down a bit, and hope that it continues to do so. Robotech and Macross fans should spend more time enjoying their perspective shows, not engaging in fruitless politics that lead up to hurt feelings. Open debate is good when both sides can understand each other, but here, it's been an argument from RT side that makes no sense, and their refusal to understand the sides here. A surefire formula to lead to disaster.

I'm not sure if simply locking the thread is really going to help anything, either. As for the thread needing to cool down, I think what needs to cool down is the real antagonists coming in here spilling misinformation, ignorance, and sheer stupidity. It seems that the only time they come here is to simply start arguments that make no sense, and can't argue with any sense of logic. The group try to post logical arguments, and like little dougieboy said, he doesn't care about logical arguments. So, why should they be here, if only to troll and disrupt things. We've made our points, have shown all the facts, and have proven (AGAIN) that we're right. So, I say we keep the thread going, and mods either decide to ban those that are causing the trouble, or let them be, and let them continue providing the comedy we get. Here's the "issues" that have caused all the mods to jump in here, and I think it should be weighed on what to do with it. -dougbendo: Has only come in here to troll and basically trash the site itself. Any argument he's made has no real ground, and the fact that he openly doesn't care about listening to counter arguments proves that he is just here to troll and cause trouble Maverick LSC, well, I haven't seen him post as much, but the only time he did, it was deleted, then, right after deletion, he posted it again. I've usually seen people banned for doing this, and while he maybe a mod at rt.com, someone in that type of status should know what that weighs on a discussion board. I don't know if he should be banned or not, cause other than that, he doesn't posts at all, just lurks, so enough with that. Memodominion, Memo, I hate to throw under the bus, cause I know him, and outside of the politics and stuff, he's a really nice guy, but I gotta call it as I see it. The whole debate about licensing has been going on for how long now, and while Memo should be allowed to debate the issue, it seems more now that the questions he asks, and the things he grabs onto, are not really to debate, but more to simply start trouble here. Especially when he's ignored what multiple people have written on the subject, and randomly posts, avoiding the facts, and just writing his own opinions with no real facts. Now, should they all be banned??? I don't know. That's not my job here. However, when you get to the reason why all the mods have had to jump in here, it's mainly due to trouble caused by these listed above. I'd like to welcome these 3 to debate in a civil, logical manner that includes listening to all sides of the argument, but so far, the evidence of what they're capable of has proven otherwise, and perhaps the mods need to address the real heart of the problem, not the thread outright. I'd rather have this thread up and keep it all here, than lock this thread, and have this debate run rampant across the entire board, like what almost happened in the MWcon 09 thread.

"All your Sheryls are belonging to us!!!" Simply awesome. Sheryl is by far my favorite character for Macross Frontier.

It's obvious why he does it. It's so that he can make himself feel important in an otherwise pathetic life. Since he's on the "I hate everything Macross" bandwagon, he's gonna come up with anything he thinks might further some fruitless cause and try to run with it. fortunately, it makes no sense, and is unfounded, and aside from a great laugh at feable arguments, there's not much else to debate on that. I'm sure he'll still talk as if he actually has the intellect to engage in the conversation, but it's just for our benefit to laugh at.

Yeah,, I had to watch that as well in high school. I think the subject has been pretty much dead for awhile now. Some people aren't gonna have the mental capacity to differentiate between art that's drawn and child porn. What's in Macross F isn't even gratuitous, i.e. no detail, and it's just like what, an astral projection? Anyways, it just seems like one of those issues that if dougieboy is gonna bring it up again, the response should be more of a "sure buddy" "whatever makes you feel better". Chalk up another argument as lost on his cause.

Yeah, took me a 1 1/2 weeks to download all of it. what a mess that was.

Hmmm, first off, I don't need my friends to come and help me out, especially when it comes to you. You're trying to call me out as if you know everything about what's happened, and again, you show that your little brain doesn't have the capacity to understand much, if anythig at all. I never claimed to be anything more than a Macross fan, and obvious that bothers you, so you grasp at things to try to anger me. But, since you're nothing but a joke, I should thank you for your little comedy bit quoted above. Yo seem to think that Macross is all I have going on in my life. Don't compare my life to yours. I'm sure you'd be sorely disappointed. I don't need to revolve my life around a cartoon to make my life feel valid, unlike you. I don't need to have a podcast of mindless jibberish and pretend I have hundreds of people who "lesson" to me to feel important. You've already been proven a liar with how many people listen to you, so whatever helps you keep living in your feable minded bubble, whatever. I do welcome you to speake more to everyone here. Keep reminding us how ignorant and half-witted you are. We can always use a good laugh, and you've proven your worth as just that.

I hope he does say that he came on here and claimed victory, if for Dougbendo, getting schooled is a victory. That fact that he did nothing but get put in his place, to him, may be a good lesson for him, and maybe that is a victory. It's also a victory here, because we don't really have to link his site anymore to show what an empty void of nothingness his show is. It's all here to read. One thing I believ about these supposed Robotech fans, is that they aren't really fans at all. I believe they've just latched onto something, they feel, will give them a good 15 minutes of fame. Everytime the mods (representatives of HG) and the self proclaimed #1 fan of Robotech speak, 95% of the time it's either about HG politics and legal debate they don't understand, or it's about not knowing the difference between artistic representation from child pornography. The other 5% is throwing the disclaimer of being a fan, and banning or lashing out at people that don't agree with them. In putting what is observed together, it leads to the question, how much validity should be put into what is said? What does that say about HG and the people they put their trust in? So far, all I've seen is more division than bringing their fanbase together, and yet, they are over here. If I was someone who only posted in this thread, and had no clue about Macross, what it represents, who the characters are and about the product, I don't think I'd really be much of a fan, if one at all. That's why I think most of the people who just cause trouble aren't even Robotech fans. I'd feel that way about anyone, but it says a lot when this is coming from part of HG, and someone who proclaims to be the #1 Robotech fan. Sorry Pete, that's probably why you haven't gotten your answer you've been asking for a long time now. Most of the Robotech fans I know that seem to really be fans keep out of the drama. They talk about the show, things they like, things they don't, but they keep it consistent, and don't wrap their fan existence in garbage claims and politics. Anyways, Seto, in your post up above, you were asking about a stable CMS...Um, what is that? Since I know it's not the CMs corp toys you're talking about, I'm at a loss. Let me know, maybe I can help.

Hey guys, I would keep the debates about people's ethical behavior out of this thread. While Pete makes an argument to a statement related to the dub here, that seems fine, but If dougbendo wants to talk about stuff related to the dub, whether it make sense, or not, I welcome that, as should Hikuro. Going outside of that doesn't make any situation better, not to mention that most of this is in the HG and lic. debate thread. I'm not a mod, but I just like to keep this interesting thread, clean as possible. On the subject of making the characters more "ethnic" Pete is right in the fact that the Macross franchise has never engaged in racial stereotyping in such a manner. HG likes to advertise that Robotech broke all stereotypes in cartoons with Roy Focker and Claudia having a relationship, but in reality, Robotech's staple to their franchise is Macross, and SDF Macross was the one that set all that up. Using that as an example, inserting dialogue in Macross Zero to (what I define from dougbendo) make Edgar "more black", would be a very bad move. Edgar is Edgar, and the thought of doing that would show that there are already preconceived ideas about characters that degrade the viewing of the show. Instead of criticizing the dialogue for that reason, most people that work on dubs, whether fan made or in the industry, try to keep the intent of the dialogue and characters to a certain integrity. Going away from that not only destroys that integrity, but takes away from the original creators intent. It is a form of work that was popular with Robotech and Voltron and Gatchaman, but is kinda frowned upon these days.

That definitely has the makings of one of the best AMVs ever. I do miss the Mac II footage in it though as well. Nonetheless, very well put together.

Yeah, I throw out The BOMBA like it was last weeks Deculture! I just talked to Gubaba about this, and I started thinking about why the Robotech fans with any status (or status between their two ears) decide to stay in this ignorant, defensive state? Afterall, we don't see too many fans going this route, except a couple bandwagoners. Then, it started coming to me. To actually read the facts, and not hide under the "ignorance banner" would mean that there's great list of things that they'd be wrong about, and would have to face those. Now, whether they do it consciously or unconsciously, I don't know, nor do I care. But it makes a lot of sense in that manner, and really does bring up the question of why we engage in the on and on and on and on debates over things like artistic impression vs. child pornography, and the right to use Macross designs in new productions and new footage. Ignorace seems bliss for these people. That's more or less why I don't answer any questions regarding the HG licensing. Simply summarizing, you get post like what was linked on rtx.com. I gotta call Bull$hit when I see it, so it is what it is. Then, if you really go back to the base of these debates, what are they? They're small, insignificant claims by same said people in a much bigger arena. Something that's child pornography to someone that has a problem with sexual tension is gonna see it as that, and someone who thinks HG can still use Macross designs is still never gonna see them. It seems like these small arguments are simply to make the world they create seem bigger than it is, and a way to lash out at their precious Robotech's "competitor" (I loosely say that, because aside from the Macross saga/SDF Macross, they have no similarities really) So, what do they do? They create these weak and well, to sum it up, stupid claims to make themselves feel better by putting down the "competitor". It's what I'm starting to realize, and it really makes all this kinda pointless to some extent.

OK, finally up to date, Hahaha. Just got home from work about an hour ago, and well, it was fine,,, did my part in putting away the common criminal street trash. Good stuff. Man, I guess I'm not gonna get an answer from Memo at this point... wait, I take it back, no response does signify an answer. On another topic, who says MacrossWorld is a joke? It's done what no other site has been able to do, and that's bring Robotech and Macross fans together. Macross fans love MW, Robotech fans keep coming back and can't get enough. Web traffic is up, I think our cult practices have brought bountiful harvest.

Obviously, it did work on you, because you responded, wasn't that pretty well predicted. But, whatever you wanna believe to make you feel better man. It's pretty obvious that you decided to attack a person who genuinely loves Robotech for the fact that people don't listen to his show merely to listen to garbage or laugh. Instead of helping your fellow fans out, your jealousy has made you more of an @ss than anything. Because you have no real ground for criticism for his podcast, you pull ignorant, dum@ss ideas out of the air that amount to crap, about what your show has been turning into. The claim that we use JT as a platform for whatever, we've been on here long before his podcast came up, so if you're really gonna try to argue with me, at least do it with enough wit to make it somewhat interesting, and not sound like an ignorant butthurt crybaby over someone who isn't even involved in this conversation. Now that that should be taken care of, I'll get back to reading all the post after that.

How did JT get involved in this? I doubt JT giving props to Seto would translate to Seto giving him his show notes. That seems to be more of a beef, or better, a jealous streak, you have with someone who actually has a great show. Speaking on the part of the "Death to Macross Purists" line, don't know if it was you who said it as well as the one JT pointed out, but what you are suggesting that guy was saying is opinion. Now, I will "lesson you here" for a moment. The problem in your argument above, and what seems to be your flaw, is that you interpret everything so that it only fits your opinion. For the example above, the statement "death to Macross purists" is interpreted as just frustration. Yet, on the rt.com TOU, whether direct or interpreted, the statement still goes against those said TOU. The problem, again, is that you interpret it to fit your argument. The same thing with the Ranka age debate. you go against all facts and data of her age, and only use something that works to fit in your argument. I'm not gonna get into the Ranka/pedophile issue, because to me, the show is art, and anyone who thinks pedophile, from what I would gather, is one who battles with those very same issues. What one sees as art in an artistic part of a story, you see a naked girl/pedophile. That's all I'm gonna say on that, because there's not much more that needs to be said than that. As for the argument you have with Seto, that's between you and him, and I'm just gonna point out the misguided statements that are there for now. Glad I was able to understand the post enough.

The mess and confusion Memo has, seems to be the interchanging of court rulings. HG vs Fasa seems to somehow been mixed in with the IP issues, and summaries of motions that aren't court rulings are being used to put up an argument in favor of the issue with IP rights. Even if Fasa did try to take HG to court, that's only, ONLY dealing with merchandise. It seems trying to stretch one settlement between a game company and HG, then trying to add it to BW/SN vs. Tatsunoko is the surefire way to keep getting this easy stuff to figure out, so damn complicated. Also, what is the question that keeps popping up regarding the possibility of overturning the decisions? If curious, fine, but what bearing does it have on what is here and now? There hasn't been anything of recent that has been overturned, and no one has changed, or decided on since what 04? Honestly, I don't know why this issue is even still an issue. I know RT fans want to make HG the pioneer for everything and put them at the top of the world, but trying to pull diamonds from the sky on this is only setting up the fans for disappointment, not to mention, the misinformation pissing off RT and Macross fans, and throwing the credibility out the window. The fact that there are so many questions being asked shows that you didn't understand the history and final outcomes to begin with, yet Memo, you still spoke on it, and even banned people based on what you interpreted. On that, it throws those bannings based on this issue into question. So, now I have to ask, since those people were banned for supposed fan speculation, being "subversive", and being "misguided", were probably banned under something that the mods didn't even understand, wouldn't this be considered misleading and abusive on your parts? Tell me if I'm completely wrong, but if so, how do you explain the not understanding the issues, but still writing that you do?

Is it on Youtube? Nevermind, did find the 3 parter on youtube. I can tell whic voices are yours, Hikuro. The sound mixing is getting better. Definite improvement on the sound, but yeah, as i said before, not too big on some of the voice choices, esp. for Edgar and Nutuk. Nevertheless, it's still a good job.

So, episode 6 tomorrow???

Memo, you never answered my question as to if anyone was doing something for the 25year. I'm not talking about the panel that HG will do. For the launch party, you had a grandiose plan to have some big con or something, and was supposedly working on it. Is that what's going on for AX, or anytime, or is that not gonna happen now? That's what I was inquiring about earlier. I wouldn't expect HG to spend the care, time, and money like what Tom helped bring for Robocon 20. but since that's the case, and since you brought up having MW attend AX, what would they be attending actually. Is it just hanging out, or something that you or anyone else is planning?

While I was on rt.com as a fan, I was on here roughly the same time, as a fan. I could have many reasons to be pissed at the staff for them demoting, and turning a month ban into a perma ban, but the truth is, I could careless, andall it really did was give me reasons to speak my mind. I've been a pretty strong member here, and always will be. Even when I was a mod over there. What could be interesting, and a big help to both sides is, if Memo and Seto agree, Memo or Seto, post up the actual comments that got Seto banned from either site, posts that led up to it, and dissect each post. Then compare it to those that have other "offensive" posts, compare those to Seto's, and analyze why those are unbanned, and really get to the issue. Memo, I think the thing you need to realize, is that you and Maverick have given the impression, amongst many, that you both abuse the mod powers you have. It's not just amongst members here, who for the most part, just talk about it here only because it affects a couple here, but amongst other Robotech fans. The feeling across a few boards, is that if these members disagree with you, even if not in hostile manner. Since these members don't have many sites of interest to go to, have a civil discussion about it here. Your chance to prove those wrong about what's been observed and said could be done here. Memo, I know you don't have to, but since quite a few of the rt.com members you and Maverick helped ban are here, this should be a good place, especially since the topic can be discussed freely. I'd say that the issues should be discussed in a rational, civilized manner, without the flaming and over the top name calling that can arouse in such a proposal.

For $55 at HLJ, that means that for the cost of 1 regular VF-1, you could buy 2 of the non-assembled ones (or close to it). If you're gonna build an army, now's the time to do it.