Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0

Hey all. I have read through the numerous commentaries on the 1/55 and HCM on toyboxdx and valk factory written by matt alt. BUt many questions I feel are still left unanswered. The 1/55 was the sole toyline we wanted reissued for many long years. During the great valkyrie drought after the 80s, even a joon would suffice to some of us during the beginning of this century. Here we had a lot of fans canabalize jetfires and mod them into macross color schemes. The 1.55 serie was reissued with bad timing, had they been reissued a year earlier they might have sold a lot better, but when they were released the 1/60 line was already taking its step to the macross threshhold and seducingfans with its looks. nonetheless, the 1/55 remains a legend. But how did it alll start out? For example. We know takatoku got the license either 1981 or 1982. But did they compete at all against another company? operhaps bandai was a competitor for license and when lost, had a grudge. Perhaps this is why they bought the molds when takatoku folded and made the DYRl toys. it was known that they were rivals. Did any of you ever wonder what would have happened if takatoku had not folded? Like what if they were planning a line similar to HCM but it never took off? Perhaps a new mold 1.55 with mountable missles and gun pod. The possibilities are endless. The VF-1 1/55 is one of the best transforming toys ever made. It is a shame that we never saw what takatoku could have done to it in order to improve it. I am not sure if I am right but I am under the impression that the DYRL molds were done but the company folded before they could be released. Also. Whatever happened to the genius who designed the toy? where did he go? perhaps he now works for yamato? (unlikely but it would be cool) if bandai EVER makes an HCM 2 or Soul of mecha VF-1 It would be wonderful if they tracked hte original toy designer down and had him work on it. Don't you all ever wonder? I wonder. What if he saw jung and kidkorrupt and everyone else like rosario's work..what would he say? If he had a chance to twerk the 1/55, what would he do? If he was working for bandai against yamato, what would he envision to take down the 1/48? Nonetheless the toy has lasted 20 years and even the vintage ones can still stand up in good quality. A legend who wont break under good circumstances, and still looks good at the same time. What a great toy the 1/55 is. I mean toyline.

of hg makes it its probably a block figure thing to be vehicles for their i men. i say the only company that can do this justice is art asylum.

its actually g1 megs head with galvatron crest. I thnk hbes better than the armada megs and in ym eyes my fav megs since combat hero and tm2 megs.

well in the mags it said it was jsut a paintwed proto that showed p unpainted in previous issues with new stuff to be fixed or still retooled or modded. comes in july i believe.

hedck yea dude! me however iom more of a F-105F person hehhhe thuds ROCK!

yea me and david can be labeled the hardcoresd with that pc stuff too but we both still enjoy ac4. Its fun. dont expect some realistic all out dogfiughting experience that makes you scared to actually dogfight an Su27 in real life. if you want that stick with falcon 4.0 Ace combat is a arcade game. if its so pitiful than games like afterburner should have never been made and flight combat fans like me would have thought arcades just freaking sucked. uf theres fun non realistic games like street fighter and semirealistic stuff lke gran turismo, it aint fair that us combat fans get left out. im glad namco makes ace combart and they are damn good at it. fun is their emphasis not realism. if you want realism the closest thing is PC. BTW i hope to god there is WILD WEASEL missions in ac5 guys. growler shows something with antiradar.........

Mp prime start spring 2001 -release-late 03 early 04 a;ternators iodea start-spring 2001 release-late 03 early 04 energon idea and desgn 2003-releaase-late 03 early 04 yes it IS the same dude. It most likely is. The top 2 designers always named are aaron archer who deos aesthetics and overall look and kobayashi who does the "real" grunt toy design work like blue printing, transformation mechanisms, screw locations, engineering design, stuff like that. Again its in the interview, kobayashi is credited to almost the WHOLE armada line itself. energon and armada is FOR KIDS. the only reason RID was appealing to us was because takara's budget sucked balls back in late 99 so they needed a gimmick that coujld appeal to collectors to get more profit. when things settled down they started making kiddy stuff again with armada. remember beast wars as a whole did not do as well in japan even with their own series. Beast wars neo and 2 may have been some of the most articulated beast wars figujresm but take away megastorm, starscream and bb, magmatron, lio convoy, bw2 galvatron, and big convoy and heinrad and you have 2 lines that basically suck. with kids line the main emphasis is fun. gimmick overall else. a satisfactrory articulation but mainly fun. look at g1. Lots of yopu praise it but if you look at most of them , the robot modes kinda suck. I love g1 but hey lets be realistic here. its not all its cracked up to be. you cant tell me g1 rodimus prime looks better than the energon one. you cant tell me g1 galvatron toy is one of the best ever made. Megs might have looked good in cartooon but once you saw the toy...wgat the? with alternators and binaltech and masterpiece, the WHOLE PREMISE is to please the older collector. The collector who couldnt give a crap about energon or amrada and wants to see where rid would have eveolved into.(in some way yes since kobayashi was an rid designer...originally the design for alternators stems from an abandoned takara idea in 1987 for making 1/24 scale high detail transformers with realistic alt modes). takara and hasbro realize a lot ofg you fdont like the kids line but its as simple as this, its not FOR you. you guys can complain all you want about how the designs suck balls and they are lazy but its NOT for you. al;ternators and binaltech and masterpiece however IS for us. made directly for us and such. To be honest I never got a clear answer as to why the alternators lack metal but i sure as hell happy im saving almsot 40$. (and YES i did try asking aaorn archer this SEVERAL times but after giving away so much info to my qurstions, he stopped). Plastic alternators mayu factor in with walmart having so much power over retailers and such(they suck and have the power to kill toylines...gijoe was almost scrapped by them until action attack was thougt up for gijoe 04). (yes this is true loook at the joe sites and tf sites for info). anyhoo i bvelieve alternators are plastic to be less pricey and let the average fan get them. hasbro tried importing fortmax nad sixshot and metroplex here but most of those either failed the drop test or in sixshots case, turned into a gun. the gun law is all bout stupid safety laws. not hasbrs fault they tried bringing an organge g1 megs as lava megs but couldnt bring him over. hasbro ENNCOURAGES imports as well. so dont think thye are some evil ass corporation thats lazy no, they jsut do whats most economically viable for them. like i siad we are a small portion of the market dominated by kids. emphasis is the main dividing factor between alternators and enerogn. Kids for energon, older fans for alternators simple as that. kids are happy with energon and armada. sure we may wonder why the hell this is possible but look at the sales charts im sure that sales is ultimately what matters. why are you guys complainign about energon anyways? wh6y the hell why? why arent you joining MY CAMPAIGN FOR MASTERPIECE MEGS AND A F-14 JETFIRE ALONG WITH ALTERNATOR SEEKERS IN RUSSIAN JET MODES YES RUSSIAN. HEHE YES VOSTOK I LIKE THEM RUSKIE PLANES TOO.

nope masterpiece prime and alternators/BT are designed by both hasbro and takara,. The actual toy design*(not the character) is designed in japan by kobayashi. samw goes for energon and armada but with THOSE 2 lines they are made for KIDS not US! alternators and BT/prime are for US. believe it or not, kobayashi designed masterpiece prime but you know where most of his design credentcials are? ARMADA! He designed the armada prime toy. yes the fishehead brick was designed by the same dude who designed the masterpiece prime toy. from whaty i gather aaron archer designs the overall look and kobayashi does the actual blueprinting and such,. And yes it is confirmed that he designed most of armada toys and mastepriece prime(blueprint and actuality wise not the overall aesthetic) its been this way for years. exwecpt rid. rid was mainly japan to get some profit after there money was sucking balls and they werent getting much. beast wars was mainly kenner who was bought out by hasbro. japanese beast wars 2 and neo were japanese. but beast wars as awhole did not sell well into japan prompting takara to go to collelctors and suick them back into the vacuum with toys that would appeal to them and boost profict hence car robots and rid. later once stable hasbro and takara realized they would do better working togethere so with thatr the sucky armada came out. it may not seem lke it but its true. alternators are for US. iuts known it tkaes at least 6 months from design to prototype to happen wo while armada was bneing designed, so was masterpiece prime and alterantors(spring 2001 for prime). so while armada and alternators were relatively being designed in similar timeframes, the end results were spaced out by at least a year. so yes its the same designer. its just the kids line will always get more stuff than us. thats actually common sense they rack in more money than we do. we may seem likea lot of people but compared to kids watching tv buiying energona nda rmada up we are not as much as we may think we are. for proof of kobayashis involvement in masterpiece prime AND armada fishead prime please track ddown his interview translated in either transfandom or any other tf site. or ask shade he tends to know a lot about this stuff too. BTW they spend WAY more time on alternators then they do with energon. but thats obvious. So those who praise the designer of masterpiece prime and flame the designer of most of armada(the actual toys)... you guys are flaming the same dude. aaron archer is the one who again designs the aesthetic NOT the articulation and such involved to be honest id rather have the dude who designdd big convoy or rid prime design armada prime rather than kobayashi. his main weakness is not retaining articulation when it comes to gimmicks. but then agian he also designedd bendy prime too, his first tf to design was car robots speedbreaker. hes also relatively young not even 30

thas movies for ya! fortunately a lot better than iron eagle. hoyl crap. Anyone know if ace combat 2 has a sountrack available online?

yea the tomcat cant cobra to my knowldge. David knows his schtuff so i really never cast doubt on anything he says. Hell he even knew what i was talking about when i said the VF-0 mishgt mimic the whole tomcat F-14A PW Tf30p414a debacle. anyways. I am a BIG fan of air combat in any form. I LOVE hardcore pc flight sims but i enjoy ace combat nad such. sure ligfhthearted but what do you expect?they never said it was MEANT to be realistic. and im glad such a game can appeal to not only the diehards but casual fans too. its lke sex kama sutra long time shtuff=pc flight sim quikie=ace combatr. ace combat 3 in japan rocked da house from what i hear but unfortunatley i only had the US version. and they didint have the F14. bvioulsy the wORST ace combnat solely on that favct NOT KIDDING LOL ace combat 4s ai JUJMPS to a satisfyingly hi when set to ace or extreme mode when they can jump ur ass and down u with 1 missle. i disagree though, i truly believe Ace combat 2 was the best on ps one. Best music,m best sequel to a pc air comvat arcade game, GOOD ai, ind of branching, AWESOME MUSIC, GOOD variety of missions and GOOD PLANES. also the rank system and medals were a REAL nice touch.

the hell you guys talking about? the alpha MPC wqas SUPPOSED to come out last summer!

naw but from what i hear its not suber realistic., just a lil more realistic than jhanes USAF. just dont expect it to be a flanker clone. AC3 to me kind of sucked. you shjould play 4. MAn. ou of all the things i want back... i REALLY HOPE AC5 HAS THE SAME MUSIC TEAM AS 2!! ac2 had some AWESOME music~~! rock for fighterjo0ck but they did it RIGHT!

like i said. ace combat cna still be enjoyed., Its light heared supreme so naturally i dont expect much besides an arcade flight bruiser. PC sims will always be unbeatable but for fun, AC will have to do for a quickie. If i want extended campaign ill go PC. Pc sims are good if you got the time and patienece are group of diehards is like a cult. The market for PC jet sims is almost dead and everyone caters to warbnirds now. for a all around god game and fun sim ac5 will do. Likle i said lighhearted and fun above all. there is no comparison flight models in ac5 are bs compared to PC.

wel the macross cartoon is better than robotech. Its more violent, the characters are portrayed differently, and in this case focker is much more appealing. You brought up the toys man so i brouight them up to. You are typing and giving off the impression that we should be thankful an not antiHG., and saying that most of us are just on a anti hg bandwagon which we arent. we have our reasons. The way misa and hikaru ended up after macross is better than what rick and lisa ended up in robotech sentinels. You say that in complete confidence we are lying when we say we dont like robotech but thats so far from the truth. case in point. i borrowed my friends macross DVDs. not only ois thje music a lot better, but also the VOICE acting and just the overall atmosphere of it. a lot bnetter than robotech. watching macross made me hate robotech since i realized how simple it was. I do still like robotech but to me it is really really kiddified and they made minmei too whiny and hikaru too emo. not cool. In the japanese one he seemed reluctant but still and ass kicker. FOCKER by all means is so much better in macross than in robotech. they didnt have to disguise the fact that he was a drunk. and like i said there were some kids back then who saw both and ljked macross a lot more.

I say both. techonology aint perfect enough to do everything on computer when it comes to moldin a toy.

nope dude you are wrong. a LOT of us asaw macross AND robotech in the 80s. Dont think that just kuz you feel a certain way everyone else or the majority here will agree wikth you kuz they wont. graham and a LOT of guys that were nowhere NEAR japan experienced macross in its purest form in the •0s and are part of this board. 80s i mean. a lot of fans here were introduced to macross by tech yes BUT that does not mena they still like robotech! oh and back in the 80s there was something called BANDAI AND TAKATOKU, harmony gold couldnt make a transformable toy for some reason. lots of kids got jetfire who kicked way more ass than the matchbox VF-1. We DO know how much went into robotech. You act as if we have disgraced harmony gold and all of us dont think with logic. Yes we know originally it was suppposed to be just macross but they neeeded more episods. Carl macek only got flack since he said robotech was better indirectly than macross. And also for taking a lot of credit for crap he truthfully did not do. Had macek not taken too much credit and develoed an ego and HG been a lot more smarter and not piss off the majority of all macross fans, none of the hatred would exist. and i know fo suyre... almost EVERUYONE HATED THE MATCHBOX VF-1 AS A KID I SEE NO REASON WHYT YOU COULD LIKE IT. I REMMEMBER SEEIONG A BANDAI COMPARED TO IT NAD BE LIKE WTF? no its lying when you say kids loved that thing back then., keep in mind. while HG couldnt evelop a variable Vf-1, bandais and takatokus were IMPORTED by a lot of shops. strikes could be had for 50$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO JOKE!! back in the 80s it was all cheaper! so yea. we all have legitimate reasons for hating HG and the MPC. and with this board the majority are japanese toy collectors whjo have vast exprrience in macross and love it and have been doin this since the 80s. forr you to say we like robotech back then and the HG toys..... you really got almost ALL of us wrong.

ARRRRRRRRRR DAMN YOPU GAMES[POT JAPAN FOR NOT HOOKN PICS UP AS USUAL!!! Graham did yamato ever get back to you and say what they were showin there?

for shame graham! I say you ban noel for not giving us hot juiicy coverage~! LOL jp. But hey maybe Noel WAS there and is busy writing a write up?

damn right! like that one time when we were paying so much for joons, yamato came out, we STILL didnt think bandai woul do somethingm, next thing you know 1/55 RE ISSUE! course by that tim a lot of us converted to 1/60. but still speculation RULES!

well its more like i think a 1/48 would be way cool but realistically i think yamato wouold go for a 1/60. call me crazy but even at 10 inches, the 1/72 Vf-0 is too small to me. now 1/60 hjowever is pretty good. I imagine it wouldnt cost as much as a 1/48 and ims ticking yo ma opinion./

1-Jetfire G1 2-1/48 VF-1S hikaru 3-beast wars Neo big convoy 4-X-30 conquest tru reissue 5-A-10 tru gijoe 97 reissue 6-ALternator smokescreen 7-Bioman DX(damn thing broke and neighbor stole the other) 8-Tigerzord 9-MEgazord 10-dragonzord

Sv-51 is more likely legnth than bulk i beelive.,. shouldnt be too bad made a poem for VF-0 scales. im sure most of you will agree i'd masturbate to 1/48 1/60 would be kind of nifty Screw 1/72 yes it rhymes!

i need to clarify. a lot of people think that if the 1/48 VF-0 is made it will be priced at a very very high price. I jsut think it wont be as bad as people think. Sure we wont get a premium price, but im sure the VF-0 would be at a reasonable price, not one to give us heartattacks over. thats toynami folks. lol

hey i wouldnt mind that. since hasbro announced they were reissugin the striker this year but other than that nothing has come up id LOVE to see the striker compared to some VF-1 1/48s. come on boys POST EM!

dude i KNOW is not an inscale thats why i said its scale was off. Also why i mentioned that its a lot bigger than a 1/48 F-14 so in fact a VF-0 woul be a lot smaller than a skystriker. a tomcat is bigger than a falcon but not astronomically bigger. so a VF-0 shouldnt be humungous compared to VF-1. I think the striker would be longer than the 0 by 7-10 inches. maybe more give or take. I now believe that the skystriker .....is closer to 1/24 scale rather than 1/32. Shrink the striker in half, give a fewmore inches, and i think thats the size of the VF-0 in 1/48 scale. as it stands i could really care less as long as its perfect variable and at least 1/60 scale. if 1/.48 awesme if 1/60 still cool. jsut not 1/72.