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Still doubt it. David did say that it has kind of unmatched high alpha but in the whole US military? I dunno. I tend to think the F-22 may be able to outturn it...if it can do high alpha assisted by thrust vectoring(or aided in transition not relied on) in low speed, and is already more manueverable than the F-16, then I think the most manueverable and winner ina turning fight would be an F-22. I still think F-16 as well. THe Superbug may have done all the manuvers and stuff that time you saw it at show but in a dogfight I imagine it is much different, the nose up fly str8 ahead thing wouldnt really matter in a dogfight and again the bug has drag working against it in a sustained turn whereas the falcon has enough energy to sustain. It was an airshow so I imagine the manuvers done were not done to their full potential, the superbug may be a good showboat and enjoyable to watch(its a beauty in that respect) but i think in phonebooth knifefighting the raptor and falcon would win.

I gotta disagre with you on that; the super bug may have good high alpha characteristics but I still think the falcon and lavi would be able to outturn it. Superbug suffers from lots of drag and at low speed that isn't good, so while it is able to perform the go in a str8 line real slow while the nose is still puitched up manuever, I think it can be outturned by the falcon and lavi. Perhaps even the legacy hornet. Maybe its instantaneous turn is real good due to high alpha but i imagine its sustained is not as good as the falcon. Lavi looks like a little feisty bugger with speed and manueverability to match. Its got delta wings and bigger canards than the typhoon so I imagine its roll rate must be higher and its pitch rate must be good as well since it needs those huge canards to counteract its inherent instability.

i dont think the USA would even let russia close to the manufacturing blueprints for those parts since the plane's technology is still guarded in secrecy. I believe the plane you are referring to in the falklands war is the Super etendard. Its armed with exocet and other munitions.

might actually be final product...those aint paint thats stickers! and they stick out real bad. SO me thinks this could possibly be what we see when we buy it!(normaloly press photos are of resin protos which look nice and better than the ginal product)

oh man a osprey at center with cobra copters surrounding it....awesome sight. Ah yes the J10. I forgot about that. I barely pay attention to china's air force since most of it is russian exported. From what I understand the j10 won't be a direct copy of a llavi just heavily influenced by it. I think the US woul be mad if such a thing were done. With that in mind the Lavi kicks ass. I liked using it in IAF sim and to me I think the manuverability exceeded the F-16. Not only that but it looked pretty nice. Being that the lavi was developed in the 80s and the gripen and rafale were developed in the 90s i would think the later planes have more advanceed avionics and manuverability. Also I tend to think the superbug wont outmatch its manuverability.

very nice but rather priocey....i tolf my friends it would be like 1600 yen then we saw the 6000 yen and we were like WTF! too bad the next fig is a zoanoid and not sho fukumachi's guyver 1 unit

I tend to think that A2A is simply who wins in the sky.Air supremacy is not dictated upon who enters the dogfight or who misses the long range intercept, its dictated by which plane remains in the sky in the aftermath. Technology cannot always be dependent on to be reliable(Aim7 sparrow) , so with that any DEDICATED fighter should be able to dogfight. To me completing the job is eliminating the air threat without any losses of your own or assets regardless of whether its long range or knife fight. We have to keep in mind that the phantom was never meant to dogfight. I speak on the terms of which was a better dogfighter which I will always say the crusader was...I mean it was built for the mission.

oh ok. No wonder the L loooked bigger than the 17, nonetheless the picture I saw had the cobra packing some SERIOUS heat. HOly crap. What a beautiful bird! ON the phantom and sader issue. It is often said that the supercrusader was a much better plane than the phantom and reportedly could out speed it, however it was single engine and thus the phantom won the competition to be the next premiere fighter. Phantom was also chosen on the basis that ACM was dead and wouldnt be in dogfights. So with that in mind in the hands of a good pilot anything can happen as long as the pilot knows what hes doing but the phantom was just never meant to be a dogfighter. The best phantom to dogfight would be the canard laden super phantom that the Airforce made(not the israeli kurnass and others). Its still not a fiar comparison of kill ratios of the phantom and sader....by the late 60s most squadrons were transitioning to the F-4 from the sader or were already flying the phantom, in otherwords, the majority of the navy fighters in viewtnam were phantoms and not crusaders. If there were equal amount of squadrons using crusaders in vietnam around that time then it would be more fair but its not the case, by the late 60s the crusader squadrons were already outnnumbered by phantom suqadrons. Add to that the israeli war of attrition and other countries using the phantom later...MUCH more compared to the handful of sader users, and you have a high kill ratio that the crusader could never match due to lack of use and CUSTOMERS. Close in i would use a crusader. chin nad cheek with a bomber id kill his ass with a phantom. If the mission was multirole strategic strike id use a phantom. F-8 was better in dogfighting. Phantom was better at interception. in overall capability the F-4 was better but in dogfighting it was not. not to mention the F-8 rocked ass anyways. gilchrist describes it as the hot rod of fighter planes. And damn I feel dumb for not buying his book on it.

from my reading today the YF17 was also the FIRST jet in history or fighter plane to break mach 1 without afterburner. IS F-18L just or was just an YF17 modified for dual role? anyhoo F-8 will always be the best DOGFIGHTER compared to the F-4. F-8 can't take on the F-4 in terms of interception and overall long range fleet defense. But the F-4 at the same time cannot perform the role of the F-8 as well as the F-8-close in dogfighting. Sure the F-4 has a high ass kill ratio but to say its better in dogfighting than the F-8 is like saying the F-14 is can dogfight like the F-16, which it cant. THe israeli's and many other countries never used F-8s, most countries used the F-4 and I am sure dogfighitng was not one of its purpoted strngths, the F-4S and E models have slats to improve manueverability but in no way does it make it a dedicated knifefighter....the reason the israeli's and most fighter crews haul;ed ass with it is because of good fighter training and ACM. The whole draw of the F-4 was that it was big and could do multirole easily.....the F-8 is mainly just good for assisting in CAS and the main reason, is dogfighting as it was meant since inception to dogfight. It is not multirole to an extent. THe F-4 was multirole and could haul some windersr and sparrows in addition to a huge ass bomb load. It is not fair to say the F-4 has a higher kill ratio than teh F-8 overall when for one thing the F-8 was not used by nearly as many countries as the F-4. I can only thinkg of 3 right now, my homeland(philippines), USA and france. Maybe portugal but I bet I am wrong. Phantom is used by or was by USA, japan, saudi arabia, iran, israel, greece, germany, south korea, and possibly more countries. OF these countries, USA, saudi arabia and israel have all drawn blood with teh phantom. Crusader has only drawn blood with the USA. So its not fair to say it is a better fighter on kill ratio alone. Like I said crusader is better close in phonebooth while phantom is best high speed interception and fleet defense. THey are good at what they are both made to do NOT vice versa.

this wont change anything. Toycom was just the US distribution branch of yamato. YAmato has owned them the whole time. It is simply a name change it shouldnt change shipping schedules or product releases.

on the subject of the tomcat and hornet vs war, I think it is also a good thing to include the YF17 vs the F-18ALL VERSIONS. CPbra seems awesome and like a 2 fin F-20. Its gun is in a differnet placeand I just saw a picture with a bunch of munitions mounted on 6 pylons under wing! 3 under each wing excluding the tips!

i think they said that in terms of macross, all else applies howevber. I want some damn votoms! any msrp yet?

yamato owns them and always has so I am not surprised. BUT I DO hope they bring over them sweet votoms scopedogs! Who knows maybe some macross stuff too. BUt yes votoms! awesome big ass robot with ARTICULATED pilot!

wow. This only wets my appetite for a gijoe osprey based craft even more! Hope they fix it up soon. I stll wonder why the cobra was beat by the F-16 and what advantages cobra had over the hornet. taken from f-16.net forums. bign Regular User Joined: Feb 24, 2004 Posts: 10 Location: North Carolina, USA Posted: Feb 26, 2004 - 06:39 PM Don't know if you know about this article or not. Just found my Feb 2002 issue of Flight Journal which has an article lampooning the Super Hornet for the performance pig that it is. Considering the article comes from retired Rear Adm. Gillcrist and Bob Kress, a Grumman engineer, the article is a devastating indictment of the SH, especially in regards to other available options. Some hightlights: - A quote from a Hornet pilot: "The aircraft is slower than most fighters fielded since the early 1960's" - Another quote from a Hornet pilot who flew numerous side-by-side comparison flights with thte F/A-18E/F says, "We outran them, we out-flew them and we ran them out of gas. I was embarrassed for them." And what's up with the KF/A-18E/F. A fighter tanker? That idea is downright wacky to me. When it comes to controversial fighter programs, it seems like it's always the case where the pilots stick up for the new jet and say that the problems being encountered are normal teething problems. That doesn't seem to be the case here. anyhoo. It would seem that yes the tomcat, RULES and the superhornet has constantly worsened thge original envision of the YF17. I think I will look more online for that plane as it seems pretty neat,. And with a name like cobra not BUG its gotta be cool! lol

I cannnot seem to remember but id the osprey an armed aircraft? If so it would make a great gunbird!

Well The F-4 was not as good as a close in dogfighter as the F-8. IN otherwords against the threats of that era in the air like the fishbed and mig 17, the F-8 was THEE best plane to use, NOT the phantom. The phantom has been used very very well by the israeli's however its true strenght lies in the mission it was built for, HIGH speed INTERCEPTION. Its got better strike capability and as a multirole outshines the F-8. But as a close in dogfighter it pales in com,parison to the 'sader. I am very interested in the YF17 CObra. David I never knew the plane was that overlooked....what made it special? All I hear is that the YF16 was chosen over it. And its clear to me it gotruined when it became the hornet.

FSX or F-2 is heavily based on the falcon but has different avionics and wings. It was initially supposed to have better avionics and canards but the technology was not given to japan to do so. THe first iron eagle was kind of inspirational but it had so many screw ups ...like firing one maverick and showing the plane still armed with 6 in the next shot. The story however is really realy unbelievable. Inspirational but never happenbing nonetheless. Yea and the later sequel where the dude came back sucked as well.

yamato should just make a run of 10,000 VF-1A................. seperated into 4 paint schemes. 2,500-MAx TV VF1A 2,500-Kakizaki TV 2,500- CF 2,500 Angel birds.

hell yea crusader rocked,. From all accounts the supercrusader may have been able to hit mach 3 but was never fully explored.also it was very manueverable and FAST. Many people wonder why the phantom replaced it and again I bring the notion of POLITICS. It also looked weird as hell...kind of an inverted sharknose. Kind of cool. You can tell by looking at it that it was advanced and a phenomenal design. Kind of how the Su37 is to the SU27 only more radical. Even the normal crusader looked cool. My homeland country(philippines) used to fly some ;saders but now I believe we use the F-5. For the love of god I only wish we get F-20s since my country's military is pretty sorry in that respect. Had the crusader been the main navy fighter during nam I am sure driscoll and duke wouldn;t have been the only naval acves in the war. Many missed oppurtunities happened not just because lack of gun, but lack of manueverability in the F-4. If russia and the US wewre to make a plane togethere I assume it wouild more than likely look like the X-02 in ace combat 4. Its got FSW(USA X-29/Russia S37), swing wings(F14), long range AAA(tomcat phoenix), gun (teen fighter), stealth*YF23) and more. NOt to mention it just loooks cool. though I doubt russia and the USA trust each other enough to warrant even working on a new plane togethere. F-16 rocks...so does the japanese F-2 which was based on the falcon. The falcon is a very very nice plane ....too bad the iron eagle movies sucked though.

I duno there is a size difference with the engines..perhaps the bug would need to be modified. NOnetheless the airframe just isnt made for high speed. At all views it screams drag. wings are kin of a fixed str8 wing.

Oh yea. LEt this discussion also include product comparisons....rather than start a gijoe and other toyline compatible airplane thread as well as a diecast model thread, lets contain it all in there to save bandwidth!

by the time the super bug gets to the bomber the bomber will have already launched the ASM.

either someone like epoch is reissueing the gakkens like bandai did with the takatoku macross toys, or some company is producing some high ass quality bootlegs! crap man if its got ratchets like that than this toy is too good to be true! droooooooooollllll

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ME 2. I love the concept but its been plagued for a LONG ass time now. longer than comanche. I wonder why it hasnt veen axed yet. very cool to watch however and i only hope a gijoe vehicle based on it comes out. I jsut came out with a bunch of VS matches for this thread. F-4 vs F-8 F-15 vs Su27 F-14 vs F-18 Eurofighter vs Rafale(THIS should be interesting) Ea6B prowler vs E/A-18G rhino F-15 ACTIV vs Su-37 Super Flanker F-16 vs FSX(japan F-2) F-86 sabre vs F-100 super sabre F-14 vs mig 29 MIg 1/44 vs S37 and yes....lets make this thread big as hell and lively! we can start with one discussion and keep more going in this thread alone pertaining to fighter planes! and... Teen fighter megamix! want to know if the tomcat could take on the small F-16? F-18 the underdog?