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Nice to see that no REAL alternative to Strike Witches exists. I suspect if you like aviation then you'l love the battle scenes, because despite the panties and stuff, the arial combat is pretty cool. Other than that....I dunno...does Gundam count? Mobile suits CAN fly after all Pete

I'd join in this discussion, but only after I finish watching my fill of child pornography for today. After that, I'm off to the gay club to dance to Yoko Kanno music, and then I'll see you guys in the "Favorite Macross Loli Poll" thread tonight. Bye for now. Blessed Be Our Leader Who Art In Internet: Seto - Ruler of Minds and Men. Pete

I sometimes wonder whether it's stupidity, or just a case of old habits dying hard. It's really not easy to admit that not just every FACT you have in your head about something is actually not a fact, but a lie, but it's even harder to get rid of latent correlations and tendencies to recall certain things in a certain way...even if you know it's incorrect. I remember when I first came to Macross World, there was a period of maybe a month where, whenever I would write about Misa Hayase, I kept writing "Misa Hayes." And people would keep saying "HAYASE!" - and I knew it was wrong...but it was just a matter of something being so deeply ingrained that one had to force onself to change the habit. Whenever I read what Robotech folks have to say - it is clear to me that they are ignorant not just about Robotech, but about Macross and anime especially - and they are not even AWARE of their ignorance. Me - I know I'm ignorant. I know there's a ton of stuff I haven't watched, a ton of stuff I haven't read, a ton of references I don't get. It's important to know this and be able to ask questions. But RT fans generally tend not to do this. They literally don't want to take off the blinders RT and HG have put on them for so long and look around at Macross and Japanese anime.... even though they keep saying that Robotech was an attempt to bring the "wonderful" world of anime to America --- they then turn around and don't care for that world at all. Pete

Just to follw up - here's a great description from Wiki of the destructive power of this ONE bomb: Now imagine what the planet would look like if 100 of these things went off? Technically, I know that there are not a hundred of these particular bombs - but there are hundreds of similar powered bombs - all exploding at the same time, hitting their targets around the globe...And that is what it looked like in T3. Pete

Yeah... And that doesn't really jive with what we saw in Terminator 3. I'm guessing that if you can see several mushroom clouds from space. Besides - keep in mind this statistic: The most powerful nuclear weapon in existence today is the Russian Tsar Bomba. It has an explosive yield equal to ALL of the explosives used during WWII - including Fatman and little boy - INCLUDING. Here's a picture from wiki - this is just the fire ball - this is before this fire ball actually explodes outward and forms a mushroom clowd etc etc. This is a 5 mile long SUN that just appears over the Earth: Hydrogen bombs in general make nuclear bombs look like fire crackers. Now technically, by the time Sky Net is around, TECHNICALLY bombs that big are no longer in use, and instead you have lots of ICBMs with smaller warheads - but more missiles - the idea being to nuclear-carpet bomb targets. Although personally I believe that there are probably weapons even more powerful than the Tsar Bombia around. We just don't know about it. Therefore - I find it hard to believe that Sky Net initiated a "controled" nuclear conflict which just kind of set off a couple of bombs and decimated some population centers. Given how many nuclear weapons there are, given how many fail safes there are, and given that - from my understanding Sky Net only controled the US nuclear stockpile - it would have had to initiate a full scale nuclear war. And this is what Arnold said happened - that Sky Net targeted Russia, knowing that the Russian counter strike would eliminate its' enemies in the USA. All the more reason why I am baffled by T4's visuals. I mean - sorry but - Hiroshima had one dome left standing after a relatively low yield atomic bomb exploded over it. Granted, most of the city at the time was built of wooden buildings - but even concrete buildings in modern cities would be turned to dust - there would be nothing left. Hell - there wouldn't even be skulls - except maybe in the sub-burbs. And that's where T2 is accurate. Those dream sequences - that's out in the sub-burbs - that's like way out past the main population areas. Generally though everything would be incinerated. "Gone. All this. Just gone" as Kyle Reece said. All this, T4 says, except for Warthogs, nuclear submarines, jeeps, trucks, remote gas stations, hot asian chicks, horny hicks who even have the strength to think or raping someone (it would have actually been MORE realistic if the guys had wanted to EAT her. I think canibalism would be far more wide spread). Yeah ... see - T4 should have been the best movie of the year. It should have been the new Sci-Fi masterpiece of the century. It should have scared the living day lights out of us all by giving us a realistic vision of exactly what it would look like to have people living in a world after a nuclear war. That is why it failed. Because it did not deliver. Unless somebody is willing to tell me that a hundred years passed from Judgement day to the events of T4... but even then...EVEN then I don't believe it - too many buildings left standing. Too much stuff. Too many people. Although - Kyle does say "nobody knew it had started..." Oh well...whatever... it's just a wasted opportunity. Pete

Here's something to get your Mikuru-Beams firing! Great cosplay IMO: Pete

Ok - That's it. I'm officially falling off my chair and laughing Pete

AAAAAAAAAAAAAwwwwwwwwwwww........... yer being a meenie again Gubaba! Wanzerfan is fun I love his total knack for seeing black where there is white, night where there is day etc etc Besides - HE knows certain things we don't - like about some kind of melons that can't get married or something. So it evens out EDIT: http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?...st&p=810865 Ok...Guess not Pete

Meanwhile... I'm suffering from Gundam building fatigue. I need to build EXIA's waiste...but somehow can't bring myself to it. I really admire you guys who LIKE to build models. I hate it. I love the finished result, and yes - I like the sense of satisfaction... But I'd much rather have a cute redhead in a night gown sitting at the table and build the Gundam while I watch. As such- I guess after three Gundams, finishing the third one takes me forever. I probably won't build any more this year at all after Exia's finally done... Dunno why I am this way - but there it is. Pete

Sh!t !!! Then I'm screwed because I don't even know what a canteloupe is. Is it like a dude who can't elope for religious reasons?? Pete

Now I'm gonna quote our favorite brown mop with a rat tale and little rat legs who also has a side gig as an extremely likeable human being responsible for translating arcane Japanese anime-novels, manga and other treasures for the benefit of we the humble hoi polloi: "What on Earth are you talking about?" What military uniforms? Even if you interpreted their lab clothes to be military uniforms - they certainly weren't standard issue US Military uniforms Pete

What a muskmelon? ...I'll google it later - but to answer your question - above all, I like a girl that is proportional. I like girls that have everything at sizes that are good in relation to other things. And cute faces too. And a nice sense of dress. I guess if I had to pick ONE Macross girl who I like best from a strictly physical point of view...hm...then...hmmmmmmmmmmmmm..... well...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... This should be a no brainer for me - but I'm so sentimental that I actually find these girls attractive for reasons that go beyond their bodies...but still...purely physical...NOT looking at personalities..hmm... I'm thinking probably Sarah Nome? Lyn Minmey from DYRL comes in second place- but only because of that scene where she's in short shorts and that tight t-shirt - I love her legs in that scene. She doesn't have "long legs" - she's a fairly short well proportioned girl. Nice. But perhaps I'm having trouble deciding on which Macross girl I find most physically attractive for the simple reason that my favorite anime girl of all time is Asahina Mikuru from the Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya - she's the perfect girl. I particularly like how she looks in the knee length dress she wears in the episode during the first season where Haruhi has the SOS-dan go to town and split up to look for mysteries, and she walks with Kyon in the park. THAT's the girl of my dreams right there Well - this whole thread is technically dedicated to that issue. Check the Hall of Super Topics - the last incarnation of this thread is there. It's like a million pages long and goes into depth about the legal issues. http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?...mp;#entry798933 Pete

That's what I got out of watching the Matrix as well...I think the second one..where the err...evil robot worm is gonna attack them, and in order to do an EMP attack, they first shut off their craft... But - I dunno tech stuff. From your point of view, with these weapons...I dunno.... oh wait...sorry...Kyle Reece in my head I dunno. Others seem to know - so hopefully they will enlighten us. Pete

Additional thing to remember: Not all of us want a live action Macross film. Some people like their girls anime-style! Pete (who for the first time since joing Macross world has used the emoticon...)

He's talking about the private company that built the giant robot that ran on nuclear fission. The big white one that went berzerk per Gendo's sabatoge, and to which the pass code was "hope." He's just apparently confusing the private company that produced it with "The United States." Pete

Oh that make sense... But seriously - I never felt inclined to compare Gundam to Macross. They are completely different. Each does a good job being what it is; Gundam has a few series which I don't particularly like - but that's neither here nor there. Other Gundam stories I like just fine. Macross I pretty much like all of it. I haven't seen MII though - and don't really feel the burning need to do it... But amongst otaku - I never detected any "this anime sucks while this other one rules" .... it's not like there are just two anime or something. There's such a large number of them that usually you need to judge them on their own merits and demerits... Pete

The 1/48 is worth the price of the 1/48 and the 1/60 v.2.0 is worth the price of the 1/60 v 2.0 ... Get the 1/60. It's more poseable, compatable with all the other valkyrie, has a better sculpt, better hands, and has a removable um...thing like what Hikaru/Roy did at the beginning of SDFM TV. Pete

In a world invaded by evil aliens causing tidal waves to swallow whole continents, a world where girls go to school wearing nothing but panties, resistance to the invasion can only come from the air! Enter the world of : STRIKE WITHCES - aviation panty girls with big guns! It's not Macross - but the arial combat scenes are pretty cool IMO! Pete

I think we're on to a good debate subject here. ROBOTECH: A SWIFT KICK TO THE BALLS - OR A GRAZING BLOW TO THE BALLS? YOU DECIDE! Pete

Don't apologize for it like it's something bad I mean - first of all - I happen to think that although the "picking up the dead" is a very American/western policy - it also just happens to be a humane policy and the right way to treat fellow human beings. Other countries that don't adopt this policy just show how they don't care about human life - not even the lives of their own people. Well - I personally think Europeans have a different take in that they are more cynical, because everywhere you go in Europe - there's probably a mass grave under your feet. Heck - my house is on land where hundreds of Germans were slaughtered and thrown into a mass grave a couple kliks down the road. No tomb stones - nothing. And really - anywhere you go in Europe, it is similar- that's why (I think) Europeans are more cynical but also more careful and less gung ho than Americans. WWII whiped out millions of civilians and even today, I can walk down the street in Warsaw and there are bullet holes from fighting that took place 60 years ago. I'm not even going to go into the millions of people who were killedin concentration camps about 4 hours ride from where I live. This kind of gives you a very "not American" view of war - it makes you very very very scared of war. My guess is that most Europeans live with this under their skin - even soldiers (though you'd be the expert on that score, because I will admit that while I know lots of Europeans...I never met any soldiers.) But your comments were in the context of T4 - and it's a valid and good question. I was also thinking about this as an explanation - Maybe the Resistence in Terminator DOES pick up their dead...only we don't see it? I mean - a movie never can show us EVERYTHING. Just because they don't show us whether the resistence whipes its' butt with toilet paper - are we to assume that post-armeggedon - there is no toilet paper? Hard to say. So maybe they do pick up the dead when they can? That's cool I think I know what you're complaining about - but that's why you can just hang out at MW and talk about al that stuff here. I'm almost afraid to go there - but I'll have a look! That's basically why I started working out. I noticed my metabolism had died and I started developing a gutt, and I kept feeling worn out, tired --- it just wasn't like when I was 25 and could drink bottle after bottle of vodka and puke it all out and be fine the next morning. Now I don't drink alcohol (mainly because I now drive a car so can't risk it), don't smoke as much as I used to - hardly at all now... and well...yeah - work out. Agent 1 was just kind of the trigger - because in Poland it's hard to find dudes to play basketball with. And I like basketball. And I have nobody to play with. So working out - which I can do without 5 other dudes - was the only option. Well I don't know anything about it except what they showed in the Matrix. So I'm happy to read what people who do know something have to say. Pete

I kind of figured that. And wouldn't it effectively be like at least a hundred years or something until the dust settled and food could grow? So are we to therefore assume that the nuclear war WASN'T full blown - that it couldn't have been. That SKY NET did what it could to destroy humans' ability ot kill it, but didn't toast the planet as such because that would toast Sky Net too. ? Pete

Well - if we're going to get technical - the real question is thus: How many nuclear weapons were detonated on account of the war that Sky Net started? What would be the cumulitive effect of the detonation of so many weapons? I am not a physicist, and I don't know as much as you guys- so the question is literally that - a question: usually when considering nuclear war scenarios, we don't really consider the idea that ALL nuclear weapons will be used. Now Arnold says that nuclear bombers were switched to non-manned crafts which "flew with a perfect operational record." So no B-52s with doubting ninnies onboard to turn back from the brink. Now technically, I can see Sky Net using its' non-manned aircraft and submarines to launch an attack. Nuclear missiles firing out of cylos is fine - but you have to figure those things can in turn be hit. Also - since the human population is not limited to just the nuclear power - the question arises -- just how much of the population of Earth was targetted? I guess what I'm saying is - we need a scenario. We need some details about the war. Let's even say- for arguments sake - that ALL nuclear warheads on Earth were used and detonated. Fine. How many nuclear warheads would that be? A few thousand? What would be the overall effect? Would the Earth even be habitable? In T4 - it seems as if the Earth has recovered from Nuclear war. That is to say - it looks nothing like our Earth - but people don't wear has masks and radiation proctive gear or anything. They look healthy and fit. So how much time passed from the nuclear war to the events in T4? Pete

Fine. Here's a new question: How do the Haydonites float? When I read the novel Planet killers - about the flying carpets...I got this vision of Lisa, Rick, Max and a comatose Milia in Super Mario 2 - jumping on those flying carpets from level 4 I think it was.... And if the Haydonites are the bad guys - why did that just suddenly happen in SC? My theory is that the menacing music and dark visuals turned the Haydonites bad. Just watch those same seens with Sesame Street music in the Background and there's no way the Haydonites would be the villains. Pete (before you point out that my reasoning is at the same level as that of a 3 year old, I would like to remind you that it IS Robotech we're talking about here)

I will second that question. So far we've seen beam hit head-drain, beem hit neck-drain, beam hit Bassara-shoulder: no drain. In a later episode we will also see that the drainage of the beam can be adjusted. I dunno if that's his soft side as much as his "I have no experience with women" side. Kynriu is right to goad him into seeing the girl. You know - with this whole debate going I suddenly appreciate Dr. Chiba's innovations more....because clearly having to fire Speaker Pods into every enemy mecha to get your sound across was actually a daunting task. Maybe one of the reasons Bassara's music doesn't touch anybody's hearts is because it doesn't really have the same power if you hear it from a speaker pod that busted into your craft? Maybe there's a lot of noise. If you think about it - there's a lot of complication with this scheme of shooting speakers into other peoples' mecha and singing through them...Some of the speakers could be damaged, some of them would be garbled... I kind of wish they added those extra complications - the battle scenes would have been enhanced, as would have the plot... Pete

....I felt tempted to add something...but really... what's the point? You know - did I say this already? --- what realy dissapointed me about that "8 reasons why Robotech is better than Macross" is that I was HOPING that some real reasons would be given - like reasons that could actually hold some weight. Instead it's just more of the same. Not even lameness - but just ignorance. Pete