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I agree with Knight26 and wldr. Having a fleet of Command ships, unloading their style of pain, would have looked far cooler - and have done a lot more damage (able to shoot in more directions.) I think the ships should be called 'Grand Cannon Ver. 2.0', as the ships and the ground instillations have far too many similarities.

Which version are you referring to here? The one for Advanced Valkyrie, or Macross M3?

Spotted this today in Kyoto, at the shrine in Kiyomizu-temple. Has anyone heard of this country?

The Robotech novels claimed that he was covering (or watching) a wingmate in his squad who had bailed out and was parachuting to safety. I'm not sure if it is faithful to the animation. Maybe he was distracted with thoughts of Claudia's... pineapples? Wasn't that the name of the episode?

The penetration plan was sound - how many asteroids turn to meteors and crash to Earth? Would the defense network be so supertuned that it would detect small, natural bodies in space and shoot them down? I have no problems with that scene, as it makes a fair bit of sense. They knew they were coming, they hid in debris, and as long as they remained unmoving, they would be thought of as only another piece of debris. To be honest, the disappointment of that scene was the lack of activity from the ships, and VFs in orbit. Sure, the YF-19 could fly loops around them (as shown in Macross 7,) but there wasn't even a hint of activity amongst the ships. Disappointed.

Just as long as you all are aware that by supporting bootleggers, you are not supporting further Macross projects, then that is all I can add to this topic.

If I'm not mistaken, those might be bootlegs. Macross 0 has only been released with the episodes on seperate discs. There is no 'Bandai Emotion' imprint label on the cover of the Macross 20th Anniversary DVD, plus the DVD logo itself is in colour, when the original is not. (Plus they are far, far cheaper then the 'region 1' DVDs listed on that page. Suspicious...) I searched on the net, and I found some similar releases, and they had English and Chinese subtitles - leading me to suspect that they are Chinese bootlegs.

The question is: will it simply be a reprinting of the previous editions, or will it be revised and 'updated' in some way, shape, or form?

Not reading, and not doing a google search: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=ja&q=th...aws+of+robotics Searches are not hard people.

Agreed with this - but again, making it more 'realistic' (through a bit of research) only makes these machines look more realistic. Now, before I get dismissed as being a critic without an artistic leg or background to stand on, I humbly submit a transforming VF that I designed a few months ago: http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?...18842&st=40 I regret to say that I never completed a rear 3/4 view, but it does exist in the roughs. I also like the transformation thumbnails too for it. Oh yeah, Grebu, make more than one view of your vehicles. It makes for an easier time in figuring out their dimensions and stuff.

Some comments: 1) do a bit of research. Realism of course requires some design compromises, but making things look more real, makes it easier for the audience to suspend their disbelief that such a thing can exist. Also, there are plenty of dohickies and other small (and large) features that can be added.* 2) Economy of line. Detail can be added later. If you rescale your ship to a smaller size, and the lack of detail distorts or fundementally alters the shape of the ship, then it's no good. As Gene Roddenberry said of the original Star Trek Enterprise: he wanted any 5 year-old to be able to draw the ship. As seen from the movie incarnations, layers and layers of detail can be added onto that simple base design. For some reason, the ship reminds me of the Musai class of ships in Gundam. I humbly suggest doing a bit more research, as those ships, and the one that you designed, will have the problem of being forever put into a slow vertical rotation because their engines are off of the centerline of mass in the ships - wasting fuel in the constantly required course corrections... * My big complaint is that the defensive laser batteries are buried between the superstructure, in a place where they can only defend straight ahead. Putting them, say, where the missile launchers or radome are, with a larger field of fire, makes them not only more useful, but more realistic. One doesn't see AA guns on Navy ships with restricted fields of fire, after all.

Personally, AI vs. the human condition is better served in a Ghost in the Shell type environment, where the lines between humans and machines are blurred. I love how a lot of people deem the Ghost X-9 a failure. I wonder why they feel that way. Is it because the AI Sharon Apple took control of the SDF-1's main computer, and used that to take control of the Ghost X-9? If so, then the failure isn't with the Ghost X-9 itself, but in it's abilities to not be taken over and controlled by the people who it was designed to be controlled by. Wait, wasn't that done deliberately? Rhetorical questions aside, the Ghost X-9 was not only a success, it has been mass produced, and employed successfully. Just look how many of them crop up in VF-X2. Sure, they're controlled by the enemy terrorists. But keep in mind that the enemy terrorists were UNS military officers doing some type of coup - again, the Ghost X-9 being controlled by the people it was designed to be controlled by. The last peice of evidence on AI controlled fighters in Macross is the 'other' Ghost fighters. There are the QF-2001 Ghost, and the QF-3000E Ghost unmanned fighters (Macross 0, and SDF:M.) They served without going haywire. Why wouldn't the UNS revert to the succesful control computers used in them when mass producing and employing the Ghost X-9? EDIT: spelling. Coup isn't a coupe.

Kensei, that's a fallicy. It can and indeed does transform into different modes, without the need to eject the FAST packs. Grebo's post above is proof. Yes, he added colour, but the line-art is all authentic. Aside from the FAST packs on in battroid, one of the smaller images in the fighter picture details how the FAST packs move from the wings to the legs when it transforms. PS the VF-22 Sturmvogel has the most firepower.

Agreed Eugimon. I'd really like to see a story detailing the years post Flashback 2012, and pre-Macross Plus/7. Of course the game Macross M3 deals with it, but as I haven't played the game, the game's story isn't readily available, and from the designs that I have seen, it doesn't add enough to the rich details that could be added there. What detail? Just look at Isamu's history. The other angle would be something occuring after VF-X2, and dealing with the fracturing of the UN Spacy itself (if I'm not mistaken, there was some kind of military coupe going on. How else would the terrorists in the game be well stocked with UN equipment, let along get their hands on the Battle 13?) There's lots of potential.

Jenius, I think that they were as far away from each other as they could possibly get, and fate (or the producers/writers) threw them back together. Conflict always makes for good drama. There's a little bit more fleshing out occuring in Macross 7 - though as the Japanese people consider themselves to be a 99% homogenius population, they probably don't consider the topic of race relations inside of a single culture, or it could even be cultural taboo. Either way, a series like Macross 7 or Plus isn't really the right venue to explore such things. Just look at how the exploration of a none violent means to resolve conflicts alienated a bunch of Macross fans. Anyhow, back to the fleshing out in Macross 7: colony fleets designed for Zentraedi and (exclusively?) crewed and populated by them. Mecha designed for Zentraedi. Even in the City 7 ship, there doesn't appear to be that many Zentraedi present (pointy ears, lack of eyebrows, etc..) Segregation... by choice, or design? Hard to say. But I do feel that, in the context of the story, there is some pro-human actions going on. Pity that they couldn't have exploited that with an arc of the story dealing with racism towards people of mixed ethniticity. Again, not something that is big enough to appear on the radar map in Japan. (If Macross 7 were made now, it'd be reflecting the high rate of student suicide from bullying...)

Ghost in the Shell, 1995; Kodansha, Bandai, and Manga Entertainment. Agreed that joint/international productions were rare 10 years ago, but they were occuring.

Funny, you should mention this. In the wikipedia site (again, not the most reliable source), Bhasa Malay wasn't listed as one of the languages the page for Macross is available in. But, Bhasa Indonesian is... Of course neither language shows up as alternative pages for the Robotech wikipedia page...

Jenius, the icing on the cake line sounds like something I used in the past few days either in this very thread, or elsewhere in these forums. It's funny that you should ask me it. (BTW, I agree with the fan, but as the point of the post is marketability in English, including that in the post would've dilluted the main point.) There may very well be Japanese (and other nationalities) crunching numbers, but without a domestic partner, it's hard (to impossible, depending on the laws of the country) to start a business in that foreign country. Japanese businessmen aren't they type to stab others in the back, and steal their ideas. The vast majority here prefer to work together for the common profit. So, please don't feel that it is the Japanese who are preventing the release of anime in other countries. If anything, it is unscrupulous businessmen *cough* HG *cough* who're trying to trick Japanese business into agreeing to some kind of unequal or exploitive licensing agreement. Ah... the capitalist paradigm vs. the guided economy paradigm... With the limited releases of Macross in English, it may very well be that domestic distributors are unaware of the potential profit they can make from releasing more Macross series - or the flip side, they are very, very aware of the (limited) potential for profit, and are investing in less risky (usually meaning movies and OVAs) anime to import.* In this case, the fans need to make requests to the domestic distributors to release Macross, and follow through with their requests, by actually buying the releases - pirating hurts everyone. As for Macross production suffering in general: it is an entirely domestic (to Japan) situation. On the one hand, until recently the country has been in an economic slump (despite the 'recovery,' people's salaries have yet to increase, and with inflation, the amount of money available for discretionary purchases is steadily shrinking**. In other words, there is less money floating around for anime to be created - so less (or no) money is being spent on anime that look like they will be anything but a sure-fire hit. On the other hand, Macross never has had the popularity of some other anime (Gundam, Sazae-san, Crayon Shin-chan, Boy Detective Conan, etc..) Macross is for a niche market, and niche markets have a harder time to make big, popular successes, thus sponsors, and their money, are fewer with less of it. This is all my personal take on things here in Japan, and it may not be completely true, and it may be overly pessimisstic. Sensationalistic news is not good for the mind... Re: Simpsons and anime for toys Sponsorships. Fox originally (and continues???) to sponsor Simpson for - as stated previously - selling commercial airtime. Toy manufacturers tend to sponsor anime (as they do 'kid' cartoons in English, films like Star Wars, etc.) as they have the potential to make their investment back via product marketing. Of course they pay more for sequels and prequels to successful series as they know that there is a proven market for merchandising (makes you happy to purchase Macross products, don't it, 'cuz you know it's sending the right message to the very people who actually do sponsor the production of more Macross anime.) * Macross Zero would be the most likely candidate for import, followed by Macross 7 Dynamite, and the Macross 7 movie. Macross 7 - well, the membership on fan websites like this have spoken (newer Macross productions suck, etc.), and domestic distributers are listening. ** Japan, the country, is rich. The Japanese people are not rich.

Uhm, pre- and post-Plaza Accord monitary exchange and the ability to import (or export) an anime series-for-profit are apples, and oranges, my friend. Aside from the financial implications, there's also the cultural paradigm shift to take into consideration that occured through the late '80's and early '90's. Nevertheless, my point is all about the Macross that wasn't in English, not the Macross that has already been in English, whether in badly done dub, or corrected sub. The bankability relates to the Macross product that has not, or has yet to be released. But you are correct, the troubled past of what has been brought into English, and the potential of more legal troubles for an importer does have a negative impact on the potential bankability, or profit, of any future imports.

Could be, but please note that when I say 'in English', I mean releases outside of North America in other English speaking countries. HG hasn't stopped the release of Macross in other languages such as Korean, Chinese, Tagalog, Spanish, etc.; why should they be bothered to enter an expensive legal battle in a foreign English speaking country? Precedents... A quick check of wikipedia (yes, not the most verifiable reference, but being used as a barometer in this case) reveals translations of the SDF:M page into French, Bahasa Indonesian, Italian, Japanese, Chinese, and Crylic/Russian. Of all of the links, only the English and Crylic/Russian pages have a section on legal issues. I am not sure if they mention HG in that section, but they do have links to Tokyo, and the USA in it. Nevertheless, even with the presence of HG and it's potential of legal problems, it still implies that Macross is not deemed bankable enough to be translated into English any more than it has been.

It stays with him, and only gets knocked off near the end of the battle. I can't find any images on the net, but it is there.

The colours look good, but I still don't like the gun pods. The VF-14 should still be able to mount a gunpod along the centerline - if not carry the rather lethal looking gun pod of the Fz-109; that thing has four nasty bayonnet like spikes on the front. Nasty.

How many Macross productions have been released in English, let alone the US market? Anime: 4 of 10* Games: 0 of 5** Manga: 0 of 1 Macross is definitely not being released for the international audience. If anything, international sales are only the icing on the cake. Also, Macross is definitely anything but a "mainstream, prime time" anime. There are very, very few of those in Japan, and most of those are defined as very kid oriented ("Boy Detective Conan", and "Sazae San", are the ones that come to mind; and there is like 3 or 4 more tops.) Sure, there are anime specialized channels here in Japan too, but they are monopolized by Gundam, Ghost in the Shell, and other recent, more popular anime. I've only seen Macross on TV twice here in Japan - both times were on a non-anime semi-family oriented specialty channel on cable TV, and they were marathons of Macross Zero and Plus, that started after midnight. That's twice, in the 3+ years that I've been living here. I've seen more Gundam Seed, Ghost in the Shell, Conan, and Sazae San being broadcast than I have of Macross. I'm not saying we shouldn't expect something, but be prepared for something that is small - like the 20th Anniversary DVD. *I'm counting the Macross 7 TV series, movie, and OVA series seperately, just as SDF:M and DYRL are seperate. ** only including games from the Playstation and Sega onwards.

I was mostly refering to the VF-2S (with their automated attack bits) and the Metal Siren with the alphabet soup.

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