Vic Mancini

Why so many of the VF-1? The size of them all is identical. You only need one VF-1 to show it's size relative to the others. And I agree, get the other Valks on there. SV-51 too!

Boosh! Nice example. I rest my case.

Oh. See that I didn't know. I'm saving Macross Frontier so I can watch it all at once. Never mind then.

Just curious... Do the real world designations for the YF-22 and YF-23 sound off to you? ...Since most real world in service fighters use a single letter designation and you're used to hearing one letter? Ie: F-18, F-22, etc... ? So why weren't things shortened to one letter then, when the series was being created? If remembering letters was actually a concern they could have shortened it to a one letter designation and just called it a V-1 Valkyrie instead of a VF-1 Valkyrie. I don't think remembering a lot of letters was the reason. If two letters is better than three, then surely one letter is better than two. I don't buy this "less letters sounds better" argument.

What? Since when? All kinds of auto manufacturers use 3 letter designations for their car and motorcycle models, and it's a highly competative business where every brand and marketing edge is calculated and exploited. I've never heard of any trends indicating three letter designations being passed over for two letter designations just to avoid the third letter . Does that mean one letter is better than two, then? Why not just Y-19 and Y-21 then? Or are two letter designations the magic number? For some reason your answer annoys me. YVF sounds better to me, and more importantly makes more sense.

To this day, I still don't know why they didn't call them the YVF-19 and YVF-21. That would make a lot more sense than just YF-19 and YF-21.

I vote retcon. I'm sure if Kawamori could go back and re-do SDF Macross, (Lucas style), he'd have more modern looking valks replacing the old VF-1 design complete with cool features like retina tracking sensors wired to the Battroid head lasers. I think we're supposed to assume that it's being implied that the VF-1 had a lot of cool tricks and features that we were never shown in the anime because it was designed in the 80s.

That's impressive!

Here's another idea... And once the fin is folded down into place, it would be on a hinge that can rotate forward/backward so that the leading and trailing edges of the fin can line up parallel to the top and bottom edges of the lower leg. I think there are lots of ways to do this without resorting to a tiny tail fin.

I assumed the fins would angle 90 degrees straight up before sliding into the legs, and only angle outwards after being extended fully. That way they'd stay against the inside wall of the leg and leave the rest for gear. And would it matter how the fins get inside the legs? Does the transformation process have to be perfect? It's not like the VF-1 and VF-0 use the Yamato swing bar in the anime transformation. Edit...or have flip out style hands, for that matter.

Oh snap, you're right. I didn't see that. Hmmm... The fins, and their relationship to the lower legs, looks different in that line art than the line art I put the arrows in. Never the less...if that 1/60 CAD art is legit, then the tail fins look unnecessarily small to me.

I can't find a direct side view of the line art to measure the width of the tail fins and the height of the engines, but it looks like the line art would work to me...(barely). Assuming the fins hing at the green dot, and maybe even slide up into the leg, the actual length (blue arrow) of the fins shouldn't matter much. In theory they could be as long as the entire lower leg. It's the width (red arrow) of the fins that needs to be smaller than the height of the legs to fit. And it looks like it is, so I don't know why the length of the fins looks so unnecessarily small in the line art we're seeing. They look really unnecessarily small in this supposed CAD.

Similar wings. Similar wing roots (just sort of backwards). Long fuselage. Mainly it's the long/thin wings. You don't see wide/thin wing spans like that on most modern fighter jets. The shape of the VF-25 just doesn't say "air superiority fighter" to me, personally. It looks more like a high speed bomber. I'm only bringing it up because the VF-24 does say "air superiority fighter" to me.

Something is wrong with the chart. The 21 should be bigger than the 0. Or am I crazy?

Never the less... One resembles the most modern fighter in our world today and the other resembles a high speed bomber from the 80s....ouch!

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I don't keep up with the threads that this was already mentioned in, so thanks for posting this. I like the look of the 24 more than the 25. The wings actually look like they belong to a fighter, where as the overall shape of the 25 reminds me more of a lanky B-1 bomber than a modern fighter jet.

Well whatever. I'm just casting my vote. If working gear and canopies are going to drive the price up to those levels, then count me out. But I wouldn't be interested unless the gear and canopies worked. I also want to stress that I'd only be interested in the wishlist features if the durability was there. If it's between wings with flimsy ailerons that fall off, and regular wings without control surfaces, I'll go the durability route every time. But I definitely want my working gear, canopies, air brakes, thrust vectoring, and some FP and ordinance options. Give me a bunch of different ways to pose this fighter, and I'd be interested. I want to be able to do everything from a runway pose with the canopy open and all the ordinance laid out on the runway for display, to a mid-flight cobra maneuver fully loaded with heavy ordinance and the thrust vector planes tilted back in the proper position, and every type of airplane pose in between.

It's not so much about "what you could see", (which still should be something at that scale), it's about posing. I want the option of being able to pose my fighter in a closed canopy flight position on a stand, or pose it in a pre-flight runway style position with the canopy open. If these things aren't going to transform, and they aren't going to have moving arms and legs, then they better have a lot of other moving and/ore attachable parts, or it's just a statue. Must haves for me: (otherwise put me down as NO) - Moving wings (for fighters like the YF-19, VF-11, and VF-0 which have variable geometry wings.) - Working landing gear - Working canopies Wishlist: - Moving thrust vectoring surfaces - Moving control surfaces (air brakes, maybe flaps, canards, ailerons if not too flimsy, etc... - Moving gun turrets (like the rear-facing defensive head cannon of the YF-19, which probably should move on two axis.) - Opening missile bays (if not too small) - Intake covers for space flight - Maybe some maintenance hatches that can be removed to show internal mechanisms - FPs, Ghost Boosters, Fold Boosters, and whatever else should come with the fighter - A sh!t load of external ordinance, (even for fighters like the 19 and 21 that were designed to store missiles internally). - Removable pilot figure If GN-U fighters had some or all of the above features, they might actually be pretty dang cool, because you could pose them in a wide variety of positions. Take off, landing, pre-flight, dynamic flight poses like barrel rolls and cobras, fully loaded to the hilt with weapons or lightly armed with just a gun pod, high speed mode, FPs on/off...etc...etc...

Why detachable gear and non opening canopy? If we're talking about a F-mode only GN-U, with no moving joints for limbs, I'd want as many moving parts as I can get in other areas. That would include working landing gear, movable thrust vectoring, opening/closing canopy, removable pilot, and maybe even moving flaps, canards, various control surfaces, retracting/moving/swiveling guns, opening missile bays, working intake covers, etc.... I might be interested. Count me in the group of customers who would prefer G-mode. Gerwalk FTW.

I disagree with the popular opinion that Isamu was a much better pilot than Guld or that the YF-21 was a far superior aircraft than the YF-19. As I've discussed in other mac+ related threads, there is evidence to suggest that the Omega team was losing ground to the Alpha team and the 19 was pulling ahead in the testing. If the cause of this was simply Isamu being so much better than Guld in natural talent that it circumvented the technological superiority of the YF-21, then UN Spacey would clearly see that the 21 was still the superior aircraft deserving of the military contract even though it was falling behind in the testing. That was never indicated in the anime. The anime just showed the 19 winning. Just because something is more cutting edge in a technological sense doesn't necessarily mean it performs better. Sometimes traditional technology works best and cutting edge experimental interfaces don't yield the increase in results that you'd expect.

Well, as others have said, what ever makes you happy in life.... Go for it. Post it! (kidding) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . No really....post it.

What do I think? No offense, but if you've got money to burn on stuff like this and you race sport bikes all summer, then what I think is I'd like to trade lives with you for about a year or so. Are you interested in a weathered Roy as an investment? Are you a completionist? Or do you just want a weathered Roy? I personally don't even think the weathering job looks that great. So unless you're buying it because you want to own it as a valuable/limited collector's item, I'd suggest using your money to commission a skilled Macross World member to weather a regular Roy valk for you. I'd rather give my money to a skilled artist and recieve a one of a kind custom, than give my money to someone who does nothing except mark-up the price to desperate collectors for a factory-weathered item on an ebay auction. That's my 2 cents.

Does video form count?

YF-19 for me. Mac+ is my fav series and the 19 is the most iconic valk for me. ...even though I like the YF-21 and the SV-51 better in some ways, I'd still choose the 19 if I could only have one.