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Super Macross Mecha Fun Time Discussion Thread!
TG Remix replied to Valkyrie Driver's topic in Movies and TV Series
Makes sense, considering a giant mech that can transform into an aircraft would be hard to deconstruct in general. And in this economy, best to use everything for their worth. Now I'm wondering what was the references for the SVMF-42 Blue Phoenix VF-4s, until Frontier's 33rd Marine Battalion there wasn't really any indicator of the Marine branch of the NUNS. I thought the same thing about the VF-2 Sonic Birds squadron for the VF-1, but that was understandably connected to the CVN-101 Prometheus before the plot literally connected it to the Macross. That would explain some things...But like you mentioned they were more stunted emotionally as opposed to "fighting unemotionally" like the brain in the jar explained. If anything it's been consistently the opposite even the standard antagonist rogue Zentradi forces are very passionate to living life as warriors. The pilot suit always did feel faintly familiar, and I'm glad it probably wasn't just due to Mikimoto's general style. Always liked the 2036 and Eternal Song pilot suits, they're almost like a good blend between both Earth and Zentradi aesthetics instead of one of the other. Around 776 meters long and can accommodate up to 4500 people, I'd imagine so. It seemed more like a cruise ship then just a something of an airliner like Plus more or less painted it as. On more unknowns of the UN sphere, I know I asked about how Apollo Base and the lunar colony would be like in Macross, and from what I remember there's more colonized moons like Ganymede. Though what got my attention was the other settlements in the rest of the solar system. Miho Miho was said to have been born on a satellite city named "White Flora" that was in Jupiter's orbit, and it seems that Neptune and Venus has their own as well. I'm assuming we don't know much of them as well, but I was imagining something like the City-class ships as a frame of reference, unless they were something more typically designed like O'Neil Cylinders and the like. Wondering for the VFs who have internalized beam guns like the VF-17 could have paint or training rounds stored inside them, since of course the ammunition wouldn't be physical. Does this make Sharon and the Ghost Skynet and Robert Patrick lol. -
Super Macross Mecha Fun Time Discussion Thread!
TG Remix replied to Valkyrie Driver's topic in Movies and TV Series
Wow, no wonder these things were everywhere in the civilian market in The Ride, much less the Frontier fleet having a surplus amount of them still somewhat in use. Can never go wrong with a balanced performing grunt like that....until the story knocks them about, but it's not their fault they were dealing with VF-14s injected with space steroids with eldritch space vampires as their leaders. On the topic of Shinsei technology, are they known for doing more than just developing variable fighters, or they didn't really open their wings like General Galaxy and LAI did with ships and down to common appliances? And another note, do we have any word on what kind of cargo ships the UN/New UN operated before and after SWI? Reading the timeline on the end of certain Macross 7 Trash volumes (Which side note, was not a fun read other then Mikimoto's almost criminal art direction, it's the only thing I'd say I dislike from the franchise overall. Seriously, where did he get the idea that Zentradi lacked emotions from humans they treat it as a drug?), it said while long range emigrant fleets used specifically designed ships for the journey like the Megaroad-class, the short-range emigrant ships only used lightly equipped, old transport ships due to the population boom on Earth and lack of resources. Though years later in the Otani interview, Kawamori said a lot of old Zentradi ships were used as colony ships for short ranges. Coupled with the fact that the Meltran LSTs were used as transport ships in VF-X2's third mission, I have the working theory that at least some of those and the Quiltra Queleual class ships of the same purpose were refitted into colony ships, whether as intact examples or some of the literal thousands of wrecks that crashed to Earth. -
The thanks should really go to @PixelatedShinobi, the one who recorded the videos as well as getting them up and in the internet! Here's the final set of videos, being the alternate path if you decide not to join Vinderance, as well as alternate date scenarios if you finish certain missions with a high enough rank.
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The finale missions 9-12 have been released! But don't worry, there's still going to be more bonus videos afterward as well.
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Missions 5-8 translated!
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Super Macross Mecha Fun Time Discussion Thread!
TG Remix replied to Valkyrie Driver's topic in Movies and TV Series
That makes sense, and I was wondering why those designations were different from the norm. Would make sense if they catalogued them through codenames/IDs since there's probably a lot more overlap with squadron/fleet/battalion/etc. names all across the galaxy than we realize. We did see some armored vehicles in the Frontier fleet and some modern renovations of Destroids in the Frontier and Delta era, so that tracks. Though considering variable attacker's Battroid form are said to be more analogous to Destroids in function (or at least the VA-3, Macross Chronicle seems to suggest it for all VAs in a general sense,) I'm wondering if their more ground based orientated designs would help in that regard too. First time I've heard of that, would that be related to the Master File books at all? The 3d models and similar drawn art style seems to suggest that. I'm just imagining the exact opposite reaction to the poor emigrant fleet that discovered the planet that they mine Barunasium from, or the people that were forced to abandoned Elysium. Spending who knows how long cruising through only to deal with the bare minimum at best lol. Though the conditions of habitable planets got me curious. There's some pre-established places that aren't suited to be colonized like Gaul IV, and some planets had to be terraformed to live in like established with Sephira, but at least in the solar system we know there's people who live in the Apollo Base colony on the moon (which is how some of Shammy's family survived SWI), the H.G Wells colony in Mars where Gamlin comes from, and unless I'm mistaken, some colonies were established across other planets like Jupiter around the SDF era. So I'm wondering in the case of the moon or other similar uninhabitable places you make due with what you have and make underground cities a la Gundam's Granada and Von Braun. Makes a lot of sense that you'd have to prioritize what resources you need in a environment like that, in a way why by Delta the VF-31's regular gunpod is a railgun, since at a point physical ammunition would be a lot more tedious to handle economically. -
Super Macross Mecha Fun Time Discussion Thread!
TG Remix replied to Valkyrie Driver's topic in Movies and TV Series
Going through the on going translation videos of Macross VF-X2, there's a good amount of interesting things that are somewhat revealed for us English audiences. Firstly, the briefing from Mission 2 gives us some distinct units and their designations; The Hyde City blockade force had the VC806 Laramith Air Force, FG651 Mobile Space Force, and the WE-9 Land Force. It's a nice look to see what a planetary military would have instead of what usually makes up a emigrant fleet, especially when the Air Force is named after the star system as opposed to the planet it's based on. Though I do wonder what would a "Land Force" entail in the Macross universe; almost sounds like a niche the New UN Army would have, if not a sect that has more emphasis on Battroids or even something like the Patroids the City 7 Police used. On a side note, almost forgot that Hyde City is the capital of planet Sephira, which is where Leon Sakaki from Macross 30 comes from. Considering the game and novelization of which was written by Ukyo Kodachi, I like the sense of continuity he builds between side material as opposed to how loose Kawamori plays it; not that it's a bad thing, both have their merits after all. Although for a planet that was colonized and terraformed by the Macross 4, it seems like a awfully quick time for a long distance emigrant fleet to discover, as the terraformation process was completed in 2033, which judging from the launch dates of the others (the Macross 1 fleet in September 2030, and Macross 7 in 2038), seems like at most a couple of years to discover the Laramith system the planet belongs to. The one that caught my attention the most when talking to the gameplay recorder was in Mission 3, where the VF-X Ravens are tasked to protect the UN transport ship "Embatelion" (a repurposed Meltran Assault Landing Ship), and their cargo seems to be something that more or less shapes the franchise after it; the Die Zauberflöte, which Wilbur describes as the UN's new communication device that uses "Hyperspatial Resonance Crystals" (which were discovered in 2043) to make fold transceivers. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? It seems like at least the concept of Fold Quartz from Frontier had it's footing from this game, albeit in another, more colloquial term. -
Missions 2, 3, and 4 translated! And I feel the need to give proper credit to PixelatedShinobi who's releasing these videos.
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TG Remix started following Macross VF-X2 Translation Project
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Macross VF-X2 was a 1999 tie-in video game for the PlayStation set in the Macross universe, taking place chronologically after Macross Dynamite 7 and before Macross Frontier. While a dub of the game was planned, the original game has never been fully translated into English - until now. I'm not affiliated with the project except for sharing it on any platform I can, all of the credit goes to these three: TRANSLATION: PYROXENESCANNING GAMEPLAY RECORDING: PIXELATEDSHINOBI TIMING: GETTERDRILL This project will be made available in three forms: hardsubbed Youtube videos that will be going up in batches over the next few weeks, a translated "read-along" script designed for players, and a full batch release on PyroxeneScanning. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ix4rshW4anRiNESfQ3kJIlK9WDlR7bVlqolL95_iHBk/edit?tab=t.0 GET FREE!!!
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I can't exactly brush off what the New UN forces did to the Windemereans myself, although it's probably just how I see things but my problems with how they're portrayed is that not only they're presented as comically corrupt that it brings Gundam's Earth Federation's to shame in a franchise who's known for giving very lenient second chances (Especially when there's no "good" representative of the military or government, like 7's Max and Gamlin, Frontier's Catherine, etc.) but the show is more willing to brush off the actions of Xaos as a organization (not the cast themselves, since at worst they're pawns to whatever scheme Lady M has in mind) almost just because they're who the protagonists belong to, which kinda throws a wrench into the more grey areas the entire conflict of Delta in general. Which is a shame because the Windermerean antagonists for the most part were handled pretty well by comparison.
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The placement of the VF-14/FZ-109 lineage had always confused me in this regard. In Macross 7 both of them show exhaust coming from the feet and back in their Battroid like any usual VF. But it's more peculiar since on its back is where the canopy is stored, so it seems like there really isn't any room for any thrusters behind to fit comfortably. And while I'm on the topic of the Varauta VFs, I've kept hearing sources that the VA-14 was what the Az-130 Panzersoln was based on, but from my personal research there hasn't been anything confirming that. If anything, sources like the "This is Animation - Macross 7" and "Macross Chronicle" books seem to suggest that the latter is just a further improvement of the VF-14 and Fz-109 models with no mention of the Zentradi oriented VA-14; and yet it they always mention of the FBz-99 is from the Macross 5 fleet's VAB-2. I'm just wondering where would it have come from and if it just wasn't some source of miscommunication or assumption due to how the AZ-130 just so happen to be piloted by the Zentradi they captured.
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Guess it depends on if they also have the the main gun Britai's ship in DYRL has, which I assume would be present in the SDF version if it was given the chance to fire it. Always liked the idea of VFs being used in other law enforcement roles than just planetary or escort fleets, it would make sense something of the sort would exist in more local areas. The closest we really got other then City 7's Patroids was the Zentradi Marine garrison and Destroid unit in Al-Shahal; granted those are NUNS but in a world of giants roaming about and civillians having their own fighter jets, I think a "military police" isn't that extreme or far out there. Although I believe the plot of the cancelled Macross 3D VFX OVA was going to involve a police group investigating Zentradi related crimes, which from what little of the trailer showed, had VFs involved. Thank you Isamu, making everything better and worse at the same time as always lol.
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The Macross 5 fleet in general seems to favor big showpieces of power, since aside Zentradi styled stealth frigates, the ships they had even in that screenshot were multiple Neo Nupetiet-Vergnitzs bis type batttleships, something that dwarfed the Battle-class in firepower, maybe capacity, and presumably cost. Makes me wonder why the production side of things didn't do the same treatment with the others, or even make Zentradi flavored carriers in that case. Between this and the VF-19C/MG21 I like the little designation distinctions Frontier introduced with local variants. Makes me wonder what'd it look like if a planet did something along the likes. Lets say, since Volor's VF-171s and Zola's VF-5000Gs were a tad different from the regular builds, would those be the VF-171/Volor or something like VF-5000G/Z?
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Super Macross Mecha Fun Time Discussion Thread!
TG Remix replied to Valkyrie Driver's topic in Movies and TV Series
Does make me want to bring the topic that despite all of their inherit differences from what the Macross 7 fleet has in its arsenal...They were UN ships from the start! Even when not citing Macross Chronicle, in the Kazutaka Miyatake Design Works book, Miyatake states that the concept behind them is that they were "Earth ships" that were remodeled, not unlike what happened with the conversion from the VF-14 to the Fz-109A. Whether that means they were either local UN Varauta ship classes, or uncommon but standard non-hero designs like the VF-14 hidden in certain corners of the galaxy, they do show similar design pathos that showed they were human designed, as they were built with stealth exteriors and "planks" of Energy Conversion Army that even as overtechnology in practice it was only applied to the mechs for Zentradi and not their ships. Personally, with the relevation that they were UN ships, it'd be nice to see a bit more variety in terms of ship types within the military, even if we'll probably never see them on the side of the protagonists as the carriers and Northampton since 7 have been going strong for 4 series since. (Not sure if I should self promote here, but it's a nice little exercise to edit the ships to make them look more conventional before they were modified here) I'm not sure if it's said that the Standard Battleline Battleship was said to be particularly expensive. If anything Chronicles infers that costs are kept low as a mass production type, and the performance is comparable to the average UNG ship of its period. Though I suppose compared to the insanely optimized and inexpensive design like the Guantanamo it would be more costly by comparison. Though it is true, it's a battleship first and foremost...Which does kinda make me wonder if the hull designations of these things under UN control if they'd have the same moniker as the big ships like BB-61 USS Iowa. I'm more convinced it's more to ferry Battroids and other equipment to one place to another, something more analogous to the Quiltra Queleual Landing Ship Tanks. Seems to me that considering the Flagship Carrier Gepelnitch decided to make his home not only was designed to wipe out a small scale Zentradi fleet, but to also dock 30-40 frigates as well as 6-8 bigger ships within its interior docks, I'm assuming that it was going to do much of the grunt work when it comes to sending many VFs at a time when push comes to shove. A 500 variable fighter capacity is nothing to scoff at in the slightest, probably more than some entire fleets and planetary defenses alone through that. -
Super Macross Mecha Fun Time Discussion Thread!
TG Remix replied to Valkyrie Driver's topic in Movies and TV Series
So that's why I have no recollection on it in the TV show! The short movie iirc was something that was released days after the final episode. In universe I always was kind of confused about its usage within the Varauta Army; the New Giant Carrier was said to be built because they lacked a dedicated carrier like the more conventional Uraga or Guantanamo classes. Yet the Battroid Transport Carrier is described as having launch catapults for fighters, even if it's mainly designed to have them as cargo. I guess it comes to something like the differences between a aircraft carrier and a landing helicopter assault ship, where the latter is more generalized and more firepower oriented?