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I'm happy to finally see a comprehensive list of the VF-1 v2 that I can use as a guide on what to buy...

I hear ya. Just did my first order with AmiAmi but was always satisfied with HLJ. We'll see how quick I get VF-27. I most definitely want at least 1 and probably 2 VF-11C, but thinking of getting 3 or 4 other things first (CMS Legioss/Tread, Armored Ozma, Macross Quarter)...

Any first impressions? here are the fold boosters from Eps 14 & 22

What Macek intended is irrelevant to a revision of a project that (thankfully) never got off the ground. I already addressed that, on this very page. "Re-use that concept but execute it better. Don't use silly cartoon aliens, can probably keep most of the names in place, but instead give them all some cool and unique mecha of their own while they fight the Regent and the Invid evolving a different direction than that of the Refles. Done right, it could be a legitimate sequel to Mospeada for the Japanese market (and a variant subtitled version released as a domestic 'exclusive' or limited edition). Get rid of the Southern Cross spandex and focus on Cyclones and the move from the regular Alpha/Beta to Shadow tech in response to the Invid. Still haven't seen Shadow Chronicles but from what I hear it sounds like a travesty, so this would be an opportunity to either "certain point of view" or just redo it." Done correctly, they would position it as a true sequel to Mospeada (that would be released as such without any RT connotations in Japan). A next generation mecha replacing the Legioss/Tread, etc as well as more monstrous looking Invid (which would the direction I'd expect the character of the regent to take them). No Robot Unicorns or Space Rome and make guys like TR Edwards legitimately complex (think a mixture of Mackey from The Shield with Jack's Col. Jessop from a Few Good Men - the guy who does unsavory things but also does good things now and then, too), but take some new ideas for weird and fantastic aliens and give them some cool mecha and lots of well scripted fighting with a fair amount of Itano Circus. The general concept of going to Tirol, finding it under siege by the Invid, fighting off the Regent, etc is perfectly valid. Obviously previous ideas could be used as red herrings if not outright turned on it's head, particularly depending if they handled it like originally purported (SDF-3 founding the Robotech Masters). Thats' where good writing would come in. I know that's probably vain given the people we're talking about, but just because the original idea execution was redonkulous doesn't mean it couldn't be rethought and well executed after the proper planning. Incidentally, I like the red bulby SDF-3 design. It arguably makes more sense than the New Macross Class Battle carrier. As much as I love Battle 7 and watching Battle Frontier bitch slap Battle Galaxy, it made no sense to transform. They could do away with the "laser arms" and make the thing carry a few sub-craft (similar in concept to the ARMDs but most likely Mospeada-derived).

So take the first paragraph and ignore everything else.

I mentioned one way already, and that's revisiting the Sentinels and moving beyond from what happens there. REF finds they are outnumbered and outgunned trying to fight the Regent's invid. Enlist all these conquered planets with their own mecha. After the Regis is beaten, they figure out that while they were fighting Invid "here" that other Invid conquered Earth. They send back the bulk of the REF and then it starts looking like Babylon 5 as the former subjects of the Masters/Invid start going at each other (or the 'Haydonites' pull their own plan like in SC, apparently). Maybe throw an homage to an oddball Zentraedi here and there (IIRC there aren't thousands of Zentran fleets wondering around like in Macross, the Boddole Zer fleet was all there was). But surely they could toss in lots of references to "Robotech Masters" replacing it in similar situations to wherever Macross uses "Protoculture." Maybe Basara's song can power a Veritech? That's possible. I despise retcons. They're better off just ignoring beyond the occassional oblique reference.

The one Brera used with Ranka looked the same as the one Mikhail and Ranka took to Gallia. I figured they were both the same LAI model, but possible I was wrong... Both are slightly pink and flatter than the Macross Plus/Macross 7 Fold Booster. IIRC the VF-27 includes the mount for it, but not the boosta itself. Don't think I want to pay $100+Shipping on evil bay when i don't really want the speaker pods or missiles. Wouldn't mind having standing Ranka with legs to go with the Foldo Boosta, though. Anyone want to split it?

Cool, thanks. Makes me wanna play this game.

Purefoy is awesome as Marcus Antonius in HBO Rome

We'll never see either Hikaru Ichijo or Rick Hunter again?

Is the only Foldo Boosta the one with the Gallia Set?

Well that's simplifying Robotech more than a little. Robotech was about 3 generations dealing with events that all happened off-camera, as it were. Masters jacking the Invid, Zor feeling guilty about it and heads back to Earth. Particularly if you buy the theory/story (not sure if it was ever canon) about the SDF-3 getting time-warped back in time and starting the Robotech Masters in the first place. The scope is bigger and it's more egotistical to have Earth be more than a coincidental encounter it was in SDF-Macross. Macross has since seemed to go back and forth and made humanity some special project of the Protoculture (Bird-Man and Mayan), but initially in SDF:M, humanity seemed irrelevant to the big picture. Right, I'd expect most of the general outline to go in the rubbish bin with the giant bears and amazons and what not. Ideally they would plan the progression to be a multi-year arc in fighting the Regent, maybe if they're really bold a 7-8 year outline (possibly they could "skip" years or fast forward and then do flash backs, etc. That would all be in the writing. Definitely shouldn't plan on finishing the fight to Tirol even up to no less than 2-3 years minimum. The liberation of Tirol is always supposed to be the 'second act' as it were, though... Gatchman was raped just as bad, if not worse. I was a big of Battle of the Planets before Robotech came out, but it's also nowhere near as mature. Voltron is also pretty horrid, especially in retrospect. BotP had multiple time slots, though still out of prime time IIRC. In either case, though, I don't imagine those are exclusive options. Bring it over, offer unaltered and try to blend it in with their larger thing. If the numerous hilarious Hitler/Downfall clips on Youtube have shown anything is that the visual medium is easily adapted to whatever story you want to tell. Obviously, we'd all prefer it be GOOD story telling...

Right, I use her as allegory not as what I imagine they would actually do. I just mean use alternate music with English speaking/singing actors/musicians. With this economy there have got to be more than a few musicians trying to cut their teeth. Hopefully they'd be better than B-grade but I expect HG would do the cheapest possible

I definitely think they would Reba West it before licensing it (wouldn't make sense to have them singing in Japanese/Engrish when the voices were English anyway). VA's would almost certainly be cheaper than licensing and yes, it would be undoubtedly corny. I find some of the J-pop catchy tunes, but let's face it, it would still be "cartoon music" here and not much chance of the same real life concert/music success domestically even if they used Lady Gaga or the like. The basic idea of the Emgiration would make even more sense, particularly with the Invid invasion. In Robotech, they have greater motivation to avoid the extinction of the species and should be more cognizant of the danger. In Macross, can you imagine the political argument over the continued gigantic expeditions, in the lack of evidence of increased attacks on Earth? Robotech doesn't need to KEEP using 80's mecha. We're still using 70's aircraft in the US. The transition to 2000s aircraft has proven expensive with very many people poo-pooing the idea of new more capable fighters like the F-22A (and hell look at the shrinkage in the order). UN Spacy must have had limitless budgets and no crazy domestic spending with the huge amount of designs they went through (even if we assume all the VF-teens except the 11 and 19 were largely niche and didn't proliferate very wide)

Partially, especially with number 2. I think they should eventually come to an agreement for international distribution. I think that unfortunately a dub of some sort would be necessary for any real measure of success and that they wouldn't be able to resist an adaptation at the same part.

I think Robotech still has some potential (though it will almost certainly be wasted). Certain aspects of it's story resonate more with American audience than Macross. In Robotech, the SDF-1 isn't just some tiny gunboat, it's Zor's fortress!!!11one!1 and it's crash on Earth (and the Zentradi pursuit of it) isn't just some random accident, but is all deliberate. I do like the vast majority of Macross' official story MUCH better than the drek that's been turned out by HG, but in many ways, I don't find Macross' official progression as plausible (particularly the frequency and volume of the Super Long Range Emigration Fleets, cloning and OTM aside, though I do like the concept, execution, and evolution itself). Mostly, HG should do two things: 1) Revisit The Sentinels. The concept is sound IMO ... the abortion of their earlier execution is a blessing in disguise. Re-use that concept but execute it better. Don't use silly cartoon aliens, can probably keep most of the names in place, but instead give them all some cool and unique mecha of their own while they fight the Regent and the Invid evolving a different direction than that of the Refles. Done right, it could be a legitimate sequel to Mospeada for the Japanese market (and a variant subtitled version released as a domestic 'exclusive' or limited edition). Get rid of the Southern Cross spandex and focus on Cyclones and the move from the regular Alpha/Beta to Shadow tech in response to the Invid. Still haven't seen Shadow Chronicles but from what I hear it sounds like a travesty, so this would be an opportunity to either "certain point of view" or just redo it. 2) Make nice with BW/SN. This is business... they don't have to like each other. Right now, BW/SN are getting peanuts from international Macross through the grey market and what not. HG could license and promote/distribute the Macross sequels unaltered. Realistically, this would still be niche. That could lead to 2b) Robotech Adaptations Robotech DYRL: Movie in a movie that came out shortly before the launch of the Pioneer Mission Robotech 2012: New colony ship based on the SDF1/2 design? Robotech Plus: Testing new valkyr... ahem, veritech design to replace the VF-11, which replaced the Alpha/Beta. Robotech Seven: Max leads a colony expedition on the way looking for the SDF-3 meanwhile they get attacked by the Protodevlin, who were presumably woken up by the Robotech Masters. Dubbed/new music, hopefully not too corny. Mylene retconned as Maia? Robotech Frontier: Another colony mission gets attacked by the Vajra. Grace O'Connor/Galaxy has been getting the ambition to emulate the Robotech Masters?

Can you do a side profile shot, Grand Admiral? yeah those pylons look wacked. What's with the 'chopped off' section? What purpose could that serve?

Eh, light from different angles does funny things to certain materials (especially translucent ones) and who knows how OTM materials affects it. But yeah, just paid Ami Ami. I saw the poster when I did the pre-order yesterday. Does that mean I'll get the poster or not? Half off the shipping was nice.

Looks great. Wanna see that pilot. Doesn't look quite right (white flight suit instead of that tan/beige). Better pics will hopefully follow soon.

Re-cast, re-cast, re-cast!

Ah ok, figured it out. It's cause it's a preorder. Then it will show up on my Paypal. Cool. Can't wait. Now the only question being if I get a Quarter this month, too. Aye, my wife is gonna kill me. Tread, VF-27, and Quarter? I still want an Armored Ozma, too...

Looks great. I ordered it from Ami Ami. Didn't show up on my paypal yet, nor did I see a spot to specifically add my payment. I assume they're just going to be looking at my email address?

Yeah, my only Revy's are the Regults, which seem solid enough. Hell, one of the only games in town until Toynami gets their vinyl one out and I've given up hope it will have half the articulation.

I had mostly decided not to buy a VF-25, not liking the deviations from... Yamato... level of detail I'm used to seeing, as well as some of the negatives from various reviews. Haven't seen a whole lot either way on the long term durability and all discussion has been confined to a couple monstrous threads (instead of one thread per release, as I might have expected, as well as poll threads) that I have poked in on now and then. I'm basically waiting for first reports on the VF-27 and if they sound good, I'm likely to jump in since it's my favorite Valk since the VF-22S.

This is the Armored Ozma? Maybe I won't get one after all. :eek: