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But there is a living person, in the vicinity, giving off spiritua. It's like, do you get more energized by music when you sit and listen to it alone, or when you hear a band play at a concert, even if mostly what you're hearing comes from what's been broken down and transmitted to the speakers? The more people involved, the greater the effect. 414643[/snapback] good point good point... however!!! if say, i watch a TV show of a live concert. or a replay of a live concert, (and i don't know which is which) there is no diffrence for me. Though if i watch a live concert on TV and then GO to a live concert, there is a huge diffrence. The beings in M7 are seperated by tons of metal and the vaccuum of space, I can't imagine a more "seperated" environment. They're only communication is via speakers. so i dont' think anyone could tell the diffrence.

Because recordings don't capture the actual spirit of the performance, and thus do not channel the anima spiritia, or do so less effectively than a live show. 414621[/snapback] the sound has to be broken down and transmitted digitally to the speakerpods anyway. how is that any diffrent than recording a "live" show and transmitting it. i could understand if hearing him in person somehow made it a stronger effect but since its over speakers one way or another i don't understand the significance.

he..........got banned......awhile ago....sadly. 414366[/snapback] WTH? I missed that. 414381[/snapback] I too miss AgentONE. He EXPOSED greatness in all of us.

Honestly this is the most sensible statement yet on M7. Regardless of if you end up liking it or not you are going to give it a full viewing and get your own opinion on it. M7 isnt my personal fave but it does have alot of good funny moments in it and there are some scenes that leave you wanting more. Like Milia showing up in her red VF-1J, or the ORIGIONAL crew of the Destroid Monster powering her back up like the old days. Even seeing Max get his hands on a VF-22 was awesome. There are more scenes like that too. 414207[/snapback] I am also slowly making my way through the serise.. To be honest, i'm not sure Basara is actually piloting his valk with the guitar. Since, so far his valkyrie seems to just barely dodge around when he's playing, when he's not, his valk tends to be more active. Even if the valk has "guitar controls" added to it, that doesn't nessesarily mean that the guitar is controling the movement of the valkyrie. An electric guitar just "controls" the audio device on the valk. Thats my take so far on the guitaryness of the red valk. I also agree that the level of animation on the characters is pretty damn nice compaired to the valkyrie scenes... not to mention that i dont' think i've seen "new" animation of any valkyries since the first episode (the recycling is really THAT bad). I am really getting the feeling that the show itself realizes how rediculous basara is. There is a scene where he starts singing at some hoodlums and they hate it so much that they try to kill him. And to those who havn't seen any M7 yet.. even the enemy isn't disturbed by his music, Basara has some kind of idea that his songs will do something if the enemy will listen all the way through. Yet the enemy always leaves before the song is done (so far) and its not because of anything Basara's done, its just because they are done with their mission. I can't say this is exactly my style of anime, but it isn't nearly as bad as i was expecting (yet). We'll see as the show continues :-)

Ok this one is somewhat political: "reaction" weapon is a thinly veiled codeword for Nuclear weapon in SDF Macross, right? This was part of what the Zentradi were intrested in iirc. Why didn't we see the Macross firing nukes at the Zent's during SW1? Did the UN ban nukes on the new flagship? Even as late as M7 we still see "lead-firing" guns, so I don't think it was part of a shift to energy weapons. why no nukes?

True, but the fighter mode should be sufficient enough to cast enchantments.. since those IIRC are mostly verbal. The fighter mode of a Valk has external speakers that should get the job done.

damn man, not even... just send a fold generator at the enemy, then fold them into the sun.

c'mon guys think outside the box a little. a fighter with out the bulk of full transformation could have say... just the leg assembly, or a good VTOL system minus big moving peices. this plane would be MUCH lighter ie: faster more agile. than the comparitively bulky valkyrie. I dont' know why people assosiate a metalic robot humanoid structure with versatility. The valkyrie format isn't the godsend answer to dogfighting. The valkyrie layout is for dogfighting + hand to hand infantry fighting. flying around as a robot IS NOT BETTER THAN FLYING AS A JET. The ability to change from a jet to a robot makes the valk more versitale overall but does NOT make it a better fighter plane. My point a valkyries jet mode, striped of its ability to change into a robot, would make it an inherently better jet. Overtech beats conventional technologie for sure. but.. and here's the problems i have with the OTEC-makes-valks-god scenario: There was nothing in the ASS-1 that "taught" us to build variable jets. It gave us composits and materials that put us far ahead, but the variable layout is 100% earth. Infact, earths mechs are arguably better than the Zentradis in many cases. One could almost reason that while our raw materials were not as good as those on the ASS-1, our knowlege of robotics was far better. the OTEC allowed us to free our limitations a bit. however there was nothing that i saw on the SDF (which mainly worked terribly) or in the Zentradi army that gave me the impression that the actual design of the valk was influenced by the ASS-1. It's mostly the raw materials that make up the valkyrie that came from ASS-1 SO... The prototype variable fighters in Mzero.. had to have been experimental on almost everylevel... Alien components mixed in with .. uh.. COMPLETELY un-tried and true airframes and vehicle layout is not, in my opinion, a convincing scenario for a "super fighter" I think the AUN and UNspacey BOTH were extreemly lucky that their gamble to make a next gen plane out of mateirals gained from the ASS-1 and the human designed variable technologie, all on one "straight to the front line" platform, paid off at all. It would have been far smarter economicly to make a serise of purpose built vehicles and use them together stratigicly rather than pin all their hopes ona a few "super" fighters that were completely unproven. also given that the valks primary role.. figher+infantry, is not present in a human vs human conflict. batroid mode in this case is not even being designed for what it was intended, valks are FOR fighting full sized zentradi. In Mzero the valks are far closer to the silly "super robot" shows than SDF macross. whew what a ramble, no more early morning posts for me. ***to try and steer this post back on topic*** Logicly the only reason the AUN would put this much effort into building a variable fighter is because they some how found out about the Zentradi and wanted to be prepaired to repell them. I feel they didn't even need to build their fighers if they really wanted to destroy the UN. Finding out damning coverups is a good way to destabilize a government! "look they found this out about the aliens, and they didn't tell you.. look they are funneling all this money into a new figher. UN spacy is scared to DEATH about an attack from these space monsters, why havn'[t they told any of you about it?" Disrupt the government you're trying to fight and your objectives get easier. All of a sudden UNspacy has no public support, they're not going to get the funds to 'recover' the Birdman thing. AUN now has the hearts and minds of the people, possibly the funding (though they appear to independantly have resources to go toe to toe with UN anyway so maybe they don't even NEED public support). Politics is a powerful thing, and no one in Mzero is using it. its all brawn brawn brawn. Maybe that Birdman robot is right in wanting to destroy us.

wait.. you mean these ARN'T comeing with goo? wtf

I'm a little confused as to why the AUN felt it was nessesary to build a Variable fighter in the first place. Did they also know about the Zentradi? If so woudlnt' it have been far more destabilizing to the UN to divulge a bunch of huge (pun) secrets to the public. The UN was hiding a SIGNIFICANT bit of information from the people at large (pun). I think info would have done more to further the AUN's goals than a pair of transforming fighter jets. And in all honesty, Valkyries are good for fighting Zentradi, but probably not so hot at fighting dedicated fighter jets of the same technology level. A dedicated fiighter jet with Valkyrie level technology would almost certainly fly circles around the Valk. With out the need for light hand to hand combat i'm not exactly sure what aero dynamic or agility purpose the arms and head on a fighter plane would be good for. why do i punish myself by thinking about Mzero?

i just watched the episode again, exedol clearly says that they shoudlnt' interact with the planet anymore. i took this as a total dismissal of earth, all they wanted at that point was the ship. I have no doubt that had aquireing the ship gone smoothly, they would have disregaurded earth completely.

I'm in support of this effort let me know how i can help

I don't know, the idea that a defeated group could develop that kind of weaponry, stolen or otherwise is kind of far reaching. That would be like the Republican Guard of Iraq showing up now with several planes like the f-22 and tanks on par with the M1 after having stolen a few. It would have been much more realistic if they'd captured actual working fighters and had modded them slightly. The fact that they were able to make a completely diffrent airframe that competes with the plane built with full support is one of the many things that made Mzero just too out there for me. It would be intresting to see whos' running the AUN side of things... maybe it some kind of maniac that the UN is stupidly ignoring along the lines of Brittan ignoring Hitler in WW2. Its far to vague though, unlike SDF we arn't even given a hint as to what the powers are up to. It all seems so localized. Maybe its been too long since seening Mzero but i dont' recall understanding the AUN's motives outside of not likeing the UN. what was the AUN's objective?

th... they ARE going to make the blue unit 00 right? right??

as much as i'd like to see FFvi again, i'm not a fan of the style Square has adopted at this point. They've seemed to sacrafice all hints of the steam-punky-ness that i loved so much in ffvi in favor of the typical sleek "so advanced it just looks wierd" technology. Imho they've made things look bizare for the sake of it. the characters costumes look like bad japanise raver costumes. sleve from this out fit, shirt from this out fit, on pant leg, one shorts leg and all hair straight up! i would really hate to see what current square would do to my beloved ffvi characters...

anything will fly with enough thrust

you mean llike fan art? or official art? I'd be happy to draw some valkyries if we're doing a gallery. :-)

The problem is making a fusion reactor WORK. Fission is easy, but fusion is a lot more difficult. To date, there are no successful fusion power plants, though they have a few that hypothetically would have surpassed break-even if they'd actually been equipped to generate electricity(break-even is the point where you get as much usable energy out of the reactor as you put into starting and sustaining the fusion reaction). 413564[/snapback] that can't be possible though... you can't generate more energy than you put into something, thats a perpetual motion machine. i forbid you to break the laws of physics. And yes fusion powerplants are the billion dollar prise right now. everyone wants to make one but no one knows how.

mari looks like she's fully indulged in the 80's if you know what i mean.

i will listen to his song eventually. then I'LL be in a pickle.

i think its funny someone would watch an entire serise they didn't like, only to come to a message board dedicated to that serise and it's franchises and complain. I didn't like Mzero.. so i didn't watch it. Look how calm i am ()

most likely a destroyed nuclear reactor would either shut down or melt down, i don't think it would nesesarily explode, and certainly woudln't explode like a nuclear bomb!

their upper bodys are quite poseable and nice, but their legs leave alot to be desired, i have quite a few of the normal "super poseables" i'm trying to get rid of.

thats really cool man, i never thought i'd see a real model of one of these.

I'll never be over the VF-1. As nice as others like the 19 are. they pale in comparison. the VF1 is mecha perfection.