Keith

Dude, you let your wife restrict your hobbies? That should have been your first sign.

The Bandai release is R1 compatible. Support multi-region Japanese Macross releases, and maybe, just maybe, there will be more of them.

There's also the strange line Sharon makes about having a sister at the end of episode 3 (also not part of the original script). While I reallize some may enjoy some of the dub jokes, that hardly makes it a good dub. -Dialogue changes? - Check! -Bad over & under acting (Guld & Myung) - Check! -Odd SFX & BGM replacements? (episode 4) - Check! -Vocal song changes (Voices) - Check! -Presence of Robotech VA's? - Check! All tell tale signs of a bad dub.

And I'm one of the few who absolutely agree with you.

Kevin should have some left (www.valkyrie-exchange.com), and you can also get Zero vol 4.

Pillow Dream is awesome, should have been on one of the main albums.

I just don't see the fascination with the stock sound effects which don't match up with the other 3 episodes, let alone the rest of the macross franchise...

And as usual, you're missing the entire point, which is that is "not" what music has "ever" been about in Macross. That they would use music primarily in such a way again is one of the major flaws in II. Repeated attacks? There supposedly hadn't been any attacks in over a decade. And not knowing that these Zentradi were under Marduk control, there would be no reason "not" to try negotiating with them first, especially since a large part of the populace would be Zentradi. The U.N. Spacy post war wasn't in the business of genocide. To strike without an attempt at negotiation isn't even remotely a human tactic. They just saw ships folding in, and began shooting at them. That is not the act of a peaceful society. Considering their actions, the Marduk were fully justified in continuing to press their attack. The fact that Macross II doesn't follow the format of the original is very relivent, considering that those themes are strong themes of the franchise in general. Changing is ignoring everything which came before. Original take? It's damn near scene for scene (with some obvious differences) using the structure of DYRL. Problem being they missed some of the more important aspects of the storyline, as well as not having a TV series pre-existing to support the characters & events depicted. What's there isn't an evolution in the society, it's a complete disregard to canon which came before. If you find watching DYRL over again with all the quality watered out "refreshing" ...... [qoute]Again, your opinion. And your opinion that I'm wrong is nothing more than "your" opinion. QUOTE The point about Macross Plus is to show just what sort of improvement there "should" have been in Macross II. Sorry chief, but that's all merely a matter of "your" opinion, as the facts of state of the Macross franchise & its canon prove otherwise. Deal with it.

What the hell are you talking about? They used incredibly cheesey sounding SFX in place of what "should" have been there, and repeated the dogfight song from the first episode with a loop on it.

Ah, almot forgot about the whole 4th episode fiasco. Supposedly manga couldn't get ahold of the sound materials. Though the Japanese "international edition" managed to put that dub with the proper BGM & SFX. One more major strike against the dub.

There in lies the major flaw of Macross II. They treated the Zentradi as if they were merely swayed by one song or another. Earth's songs don't work because the Marduk's Zentradi were put under hypnosis to react specifically to an emulator's "siren song," in a specific attack pattern. They could have just as easily replaced music with colored lights, smells, or word commands. It defeatedt he purpose of using music all together. Just as they missed the point of the "Minmay Attack." Minmay wasn't as a distraction to kill indescriminently, her main purpose in the TV series & movie was to win over the Zentradi to Earth's side by awakening their emotions. The "Minmay Attack," was an after tactic used so that thsoe humans & Zentradi that banded together could have a higher rate of survivability. Take a look at what the Earth fleet did right when they started their "Minmay Attack" in Macross II. They didn't wait to see if it would have an effect, they just jumped right in iwth an attack. They had no interest in "awakening" those Zentradi in the first place. This is as I said one of the major failings of Macross II. Macross has never been about "obliterating" anyone. Considering that the Zentradi were mere "tools" in Macross II, and the Marduk didn't need to be "cultured" as they had their own, the proper course would have been for oh I don't know, The U.N. Spacy to make some attempt at contacting them There's nothing snooty about it, the Macross II desigsn just don't show any significant level of evolution. The point about Macross Plus is to show just what sort of improvement there "should" have been in Macross II. As I said, you can like Macross II all you want, but that doesn't make it a good sequel. Fact of the matter is that it ignores far more than it follows, and misses many of the points about the series in general. 0080 is interesting as a sidestory, but doesn't share much at all in common with Tomino's Gundam (0079-Victory). Much like Macross II & Orguss 02 (all by the smae production company), it has an entirely different feeling that would lend itself better to something else un-related with the franchises they were trying to follow.

Are you nuts? How the hell do you expect to get 5.1 out of a 22 year old mono soundtrack? You might as well also expect it to jump out at you in 3D. What you "DO" get is a very clean & also remastered mono soundtrack. If they were to process it into 5.1, it would sound like poo & tiney.

::::checks imdb::: Well I'll be damned, it's true. I like malcom in the middle, but now more than ever, I'll never be able to listen to that dub again. As far as the dub itself goes, too many inaccuracies for my tastes, especially the nonsensicle english version of voices. BTW, the UK release is exactly the same as the U.S. release. The 3 disc's included are the 2 OVA disc's plus the Movie Edition disc. The movie edition is the only thing that's subtitled only (and hardsubtitled at that). Aside from price, I have no idea whether the UK release is NTSC or PAL. If it's PAL, then it doesn't matter how little it costs since you wouldn't be able to watch it on an NTSC TV unless your player converts.

The "culture shock" aspect of music isn't what won the war in the TV series or DYRL. That aspect of it was merely what shielded them while the "emotional" aspect took effect. In both incarnations, it was the emotions awakened in the Zentradi that led them to join sides with the Macross to make enough of a difference to survive. If they had used culture shock alone, it would have quickly worn off, and everyone would have died. And you can agree to dissagree all you want, but the VF-2 doesn't show a significant level of advancement over the VF-1, and is vastly inferior to anything shown in the "canon" sequels. A matter of fact. You may like Macross II, but that does not make it a good Macross sequel.

The only version available (in the U.S. & Canada) is the 9 disc "AnimEigo" version. If it doesn't say "AnimEigo," it's a bootleg. And if it says "Madman," it's not a bootleg, but it also won't work on your NTSC TV. The 9 disc version is seperated into 3 "3 disc" box sets, so make sure you know what you're getting before you pick anything up.

You will listen to Basara's song!

....I don't even know which song that is....which one is it?

Funimation is as bad as Viz now. No one in their right minds releases 3 episodes a disc anymore.

If i'm reading that right, it says that the DVD's will have the option of watching the films in black & white or color. Perhaps Lucas's beef isn't that the colorized version is that, but that people are actually being given a choice....

Except that Kawamori's numbering system has never made such irrational leaps. Nor does the VF-2SS show a significant level of advancement over the VF-1 & VF-4, let alone an 80 year level of advancement. I found the deisgns to be rather weak, nor do they show much of a level of originality. They're simply a cross between Valkyrie & Gundam styling. Kawamori showed much better variation in his advanced variable fighter series years earlier. Except that FB 2012 has just the ooposite effect. It doesn't diverge the two versions of the story, it brings them together. Macross II still ignores the Protoculture of DYRL, colonization fleets of 2012, and to top it off, mishanldes the entire message of music in Macross. Then it takes some odd steps by showing a society that's still dpeendent on using Zentradi reckage to build cities & gunships. Had Macross just been about a girl singing to distract an enemy while you can shoot at them, that'd be one thing, but it was about emotions from one person awakening emotions in another person, and helping them see that there are peaceful solutions. As I said before, just like with Orguss 02 & Gundam 0080, this production team misses the entire point of the series they were following up on, just to make a fast & easy OVA buck.

Hah, you got me there. $ Not even visuals of Wendy without panties will save Macross II.

I'm actually surprised at how quiet news has been about this OVA. not even any HK's for it.

Yes, Bandai should be commended with their episode counts. No fewer than 4 episodes per disc for a TV series (and sometimes 5 episodes for long series) should be the norm. And since the last episode of Yukizaze is going to be an hour long, it's ok. Though I think they're just afraid of being shown up by Zero.

Your friend likes classical but not J-Pop? Is he insane!!!! :::!::: As for Kawamori, why would he dissagree with more music being added? Especially if its good.

Considering that the stagnation and complacency of the UN Spacy was an important point of the first episode, I'd wager it was completely deliberate, and it makes plenty of sense given the way M2 had chosen to portray post original/DYRL. Until you start to wonder, what the hell happened to the evolution in design with the VF-4? Why remodel the Macross to use inhabited portions of the ship for the cannon? Then why make it break when fired "once." When you factor in how this same basic team entirely missed the boat when making Orguss 02 & Gundam 0080 (as many fans as it has, it doesn't even remotely carry the flavor or style of Tomino's Gundam), then it's a loose argument you're making.