Keith

The general intonation of Jerry on the topic of Zeta, in that post & several others, was that the likelyhood of an individual disc release for Zeta was low. Considering CN has already come out & stated they have no plans to air Zeta, the toy/model premiered at toy shows last year has all but dissapeared, & the box set as is, is a limited edition item, likelyhood of a limited edition release is slim. However, since Bandai did pay for the license, is mastering the disc's, and still keeps the 0079 movies in production, it's likely that a box set without extra's(toys) will be released later on, be it at the same price, or possibly slightly cheaper (but since they've kept G at a relatively similar price point, I wouldn't expect a drop). Honestly, I wouldn't toy with it though, if you've any interest in Zeta (or Gundam for that matter), get it now.

Is that the sum total of your argument? What argument, that was an observation. Are you however arguing against the gayness of the Sentinels or Shadow Force uniforms? As for the 7 unifroms & flight suits, while I can understand somes dissagreement with Basara's flight suit, absolutely nothing was wrong with the Spacy designs.

Why would there be a Macross series without these themes, or transforming mecha for that matter. If you're looking for a Macross series that doesn't contain those elements, then why not watch something else? The nature of a storyline/franchise is to maintain a constant set of elements, and Macross has alwasy done it well while still keeping things fresh.

I found it interesting that Mao seemed to have taken over immediately after Sara was gone (as she sang to Shin). Yet another reason why I think she's Basara's mother .

Wow, the unifroms appear to be reachingt he gayness levels of the Sentinels.

What you have to understand about Sara, is that from a very young age, she was taught that those would be the results should that series of events occur. She was obligated to serve the role of destroyer. Thinking Shin was dead just triggered the necessary final emotioanl response to set things in motion. She was already on the fence before that with Mao being hurt & the island being scortched. It's not so much that she herself was a Kadun, but a biological safeguard against such Kadun. Unlike the rest of humanity that was evolved from simian life, the Mayan islanders were evolved from Fish. Their sole purpose obviously being to judge the rest. I also don't believe Mao triggered anything, as Sara had just as much of a connection with the head (if not more so). Her singing was resonating through it, and she became jealous when seeing Shin & Mao together through it's eye. Considering we do have all of that mystery regarding the center of the Galaxy, missing Megaroad-01, & now dissapearance of Sara & Shin, perhaps that will be the focus of the next Macross story. A final test. Now that they've been allowed to leave the Earth, they'll be tested again at the center of the Galaxy by Sara or the Protoculture, or whomever waits. I just wonder where the Ginga Kujira fit in... Perhaps another test. Coming across more human life & teaching them about love too.

Going back to the Roy/Aries/Claudia thing, I think of it this way. He most likely met Aries first in school, and seperated when he didn't show up at the airport as she went out for research. Met Claudia during her first assignment, was intrigued that she didn't fawn over him, but moved on when they were stationed elsewhere. Go ahead a few years, & Roy & Claudia meet again while he was test piloting the VF-1-X, felt comfortable enough with her to confide his fears, but they still didn't "click" yet. Then Roy meet's Aries again, rekindles his feelings, and her death makes him re-evaluate his womanising ways. Then with both being stationed at South Atalia, he's finally in a state of mind to settle down & dedicate himself to one woman, i.e. Claudia. If anything, I think the events in Zero solidify Roy & Claudia's relationship. It also closely enough follow's Claudia's timeline of events (i.e. that they didn't get together for good after the phone call, but later when she was stationed on the Macross). I fully agree with A1's views about Zero & Plus, perhaps Kawamori felt that it (Plus) was too much of a sidestory, and used Zero as an opportunity to remedy that. I just hope the AFOS ties in with whatever the next story will be, perhaps something a little longer (though if it had to be a movie, I'd still be happy). I don't see how you can still dislike 7 after this though, as Zero more than solidifies any doubtful ties between the themes of the original series & 7. Ahem..."BOMBA!"

Cat is here as duke togo as well.

I've only seen the HK disc to compare it with, but the remaster is very awesome. Comparing it with the Eva remaster is very accurate. To hell with waiting for Manga, they pissed me off with MP:ME, and I will never forgive them. The only thing I noticed was that the toy commercial after the eyecatch was missing (not sure if it's a standard part of the release), but then I've only watched the first episode, and it may be included as an extra on the 4th disc.

The relationship between Roy & Aries started in college (or the academy, I can't quite tell from the HK subs), then they flaked on each other as Aries when to go research with Hasford. Roy going into the military met Claudia, who found him too womanizing to date at first. Now assuming the rainy night episode takes place before Zero, while Roy confided in Claudia, they still hadn't gotten together, which leaves him free to chase after Aries during the Zero incident. And perhaps after losing Aries, he was ready to settle down with Claudia once being stationed at South Atalia. A perfectly reasonable series of events which fits the continuity. I personally think Zero re-inforces Roy's attitudes during the TV series. He wasn't even remotely freaked out when seeing the Zentradi soldier stumble out of his Regult (and hell, was probably relieved since it didn't look freaky like the AFOS). And he sure as hell couldn't tell Hikaru about a clasisfied event, it would have held risk of court maritial or worse. Since Hikaru already saw a giant Zentradi corpse, what more would he have to know? And then of course there's the U.N. Spacy's unwillingness to negotiate. Having encountered the AFOS which ripped their fleet a new one with ease, and then left, perhaps they construed it as a cultural gesture. Blast the poo out of your enemy, then pull back. So naturally, they made an even bigger gun (Grand Cannon). Need I bring up the whole thing about Britia & Bodolza freaking out over Kaifun's movie, and the powers shown by the barrier explosion & AFOS? Zero fits in very nciely with the TV series.

Before I forget, I don't see how it fits in any more with DYRL than the TV series. For one thing, you'd think they would have picked up on the sunken city with the Cyclops radar. Does anyone else think Mao was looking a lot like the TV Minmay design near the end? An intentional nod perhaps?

I don't think so. Before the end of the Protoculture, both sides had banded together to join forces against the Protodevelin. The Zentradi forces were also banded together (which led to their rebellion against the Protoculture after the war, as their ban on attacking Protoculture citizens was lifted). I doubt there would be any genocidal Protoculture, though you do bring up some interesting points. Perhaps there will be more of a 2001 style twist to it, with the Protoculture remnants being futher evolved, leaving tests for the people of Earth to take on their path to evolution. And A1, by last night I'd already watched half of the episode, broke down & pre-ordered it last month along with the new Gunbuster set. I've now seen the rest. With regards to Sara, I definately agree the AFOS was working strictly based on her emotions, and likely feeding off her energy as well. She wasn't as much under its control, as it was under hers. Though where they went to is anyones guess. I really enjoyed how much Plus imagery popped up in this episode, right down to Sara coming back for Shin & helping him raise the Zero out of its dive. Most gruesome death now belongs to DD, a round right through the face (and highly worth the freeze frame) says it all.

Nope, it's already established that Protoculture consider human/zetnradi mixing to be a "good thing,' i.e. "the sign of peace."

When was the last you heard? The last I heard they were leaning towards not doing an individual disc release.

Isamu hearing Myung's song when there's no real way he should have been able to? Spiritia! I do hope this leads to something bigger though, like I said, a big clash between the U.N. & Protoculture may be next. Who knows... As for connections with 7, I still think its a viable theory that Ray could have been a child on the island, and hell, perhaps Basara is directly Shamen blood, Mao was still alive at the end, and would have been well within child bearing years when Basara was born.

That I dissagree with. First 10 or so episodes - situation setup, bad guys are a mystery, Basara has no real effect. next 20 episodes - mysteries of the attackers are slowly uncovered, Basara builds in effectiveness, and the true plot starts to take ground remaining 19 - all mysteries are revealed, including those of the Protocultures history, Basara & Sound Force truly come into power, and the epic ending. A very well rounded story, the first 10 "slow" episodes are some call them being necessary to add story believability. It wouldn't have been nearly as good if Basara had jumped out of the gate being able to do all that he eventually does. Plus the opportunity is given to grow with characters.

<blockquote>Um, no Keith. Its called hypnotism and subliminal suggestion. This was all made rather clear, perhaps you should watch it again.</blockquote> Again, I have to ask the question. Why is it so much easier to believe an A.I. can exist that can decide to use holograms & influence over brain chemestry to hypnotize the masses & perform elaborate light shows (that themselves appear magical) to be practical. But biological representations of many of those same things are written off as fantasy & magical? We still don't know exactly how we work, but humans aren't considered fictional or magical. If you fail to see the representations of Sharon Apple in Plus, I don't know what to tell you. Suffice it to say to you. On another note, from these new descriptions of the ending here, I definately think this is a setup for perhaps a bigass Macross finale. Perhaps humans vs the last of the Protoculture? It doesn't sound much like Sara & the AFOS left with a good impression of humanity. If they are indeed traveling to the last known location of the Protoculture, or perhaps the location of some super PC doomsday device, this could all lead to a big 'splody end battle movie.

Southern Cross is far below Macross 7, SC while an interesting show, had its episodes cut way too far down to be an effective story.

Alright Keith... What Gender is Mash from Macross II? Mash is male, end of story.

Which is seed special 3? Is it a recent release? I have a couple of the HK releases, the first MS showcase, the second first half series recap, and the second series recap covering the end, which also had the openings, endings, & epilogue.

Honestly, I liked it better the second time I watched it than the first. It has some fun elements, and a firm ending. The downside being that it turns into a rehash of Eva in a lot of ways, right down to Eva style boomers. Worth watching, but the story & music are definately below the original OVA.

I hate to tell you, but there was "magic" in Macross Plus as well, what did you think Sharon Apple represented? As well as Myung's song at hte end.... All in all, from the sounds of this, I hope it is indeed a setup for a new seires/movie at the end. Though Kawamori loves leaving things open, maybe just this once we'll see it have a purpose with Shin & Sara returning for some reason or another. Perhaps the Protoculture "aren't" entirely whiped out afterall. For those who don't like it, I honestly don't know what tell you. Macross has always had this style of balance for me, be it with giant aliens which are awakened to love & music, or giant flying bio-mecha (which I sure as hell don't see as a giant leap from the Zentradi in general). Anyone thinking Macross was just a hard war story needs to wake up to the fact that it was never intended to be. Gundam has Newtypes, Macross has Spiritia.

Screw torrent links, let's have some freaky synopsies. How does aries die? What do Sara & Shin use to fly into space with?

If you can't tell the difference between Mikimoto's gender designs (and you can't hold animefriends half assing them in certain episodes against him), then you are a very confused individual.

Hmm, can we have an actual full event rundown of what happens!