Keith

I think he was referring to your hatered of Macross II. Back in the days of AFM it probably would have surprised me that you own a copy. Though, I don't know about you anymore, as far as your dislike for Macross II goes...anyway. I'm gonna join the bandwagon and say that I too own a copy of The Sentinels. Watched it once, never plan on watching it again. How could I hate Macross II if I haven't seen it, of course I own it. Hell, I even own the SDF Macross VHS dub of DYRL. I'm a Macross fan, and all of the stuff I've listed is worth owning just for the kitch alone.

Nope, AnimEigo specifically stated they were able to get ahold of audio tracks from Big West, which they used to do an audio clean up (be it still in mono), as well as the BG & SFX only tracks that are on the set. Of course we've forgotten to mention the major benefit of AnimEigo's remaster, the picture has been zoomed out a bit to provide more onscreen animation that normally goes past the overscan area on your tv.

That's an interesting question. While AnimEigo did remaster a print, which does look very good, the print they remastered was the one Harmony Gold has been sitting on for 20 years. Bandai used an entirely different print, which by indications looks pretty good in itself. Harmony Gold apparently prevented AnimEigo from getting vidoe masters from Big West/Bandai. Although they did somehow manage to get the audio tracks from Japan.

What's so surprising about that? I own both Macross II & The Sentinels (and space Gandam V for that matter)....

they actually did something very different with the intro credits. They used a textless version, & soft dvd supped all the credits in (meaning you can turn them off & watch just the animation from the intro). The end credits are the regular Japanese credits, with the trasnlation for them being in the dvd menu. There however is no japanese credit version of hte intro included.

The new SFX don't match any of the SFX in any of the other episodes (or macross for that matter), like them all you want, but they don't fit. And Dog Fight definately fit the 4th episode better than breakout, I mean come on. But seriously, the English version of Voices (which I believe was the actual topic of this) doesn't even begin to make sense. It's a song Myung wrote in high school....about the events that take place in the OVA 7 years later? Hell no! It doesn't even fit the title of the song.

It's pretty much a straight VHS dump from the old Manga VHS release of the movie edition. All the eyecatches seem to be there, all the episode titles are there, the intro's & endings however are cut between episodes (only the beginning & end one are there, along with the regular inbetween episodes end credits following the final episode end credits). All of U.S. Renditions/Manga's Marduk language hard subtitles are still there (as well as the hard song subtitles), which causes problems in a couple instances when they don't follow quite in time with the Japanese dialogue & regular soft Japanese subtitles. Overall, I'd say it's a better quality job than Macross Plus Movie Edition, though still not as good as it could be. I doubt there's any better (non-R2) release out there, and since there's no footage missing, might as well pick it up.

I'm sure giant fighting robot sounds better to you than "gundam," but it doesn't change the fact that one is the name, and the other is not. Besides which, it's been a while since I've watched all of Zeta, but I do seem to recall the "bunch" name specifically regarding colony grouping, not specific colony numbering. All the more reason the re-name doesn't fit.

I'm definately sticking to my guns on this issue. Bandai's dubtitling choices are bizarre at best. Changing Thirty Bunch to "Colony Thirty".....IT'S IN ENGLISH ALREADY DAMNIT! There are just far too many instances of what's really being said swapped out with some...dub style atlernative. At that point it stops being a trasnlation, and starts being a re-write. Say what you will about HK subs, but most I've seen have done far better at conveying the basic's of what's going on than this dubtitle script. Having already seen the HK Zeta set, I can tell you I was considerably less angered by the translation there. Good sentence structure & spelling are fine & all, but they don't mean anything when they don't actually convey what's being said.

Sure I am, I'm just never happy about poo that's intentionally botched. How can you be happy about dubtitles? The whole point in watching something subtitled is to not have to deal with fast & loose american "re-interpretations. Because this is the worst case of dubtitling since Wing. The 0079 movies, CCA, and aside from the whole "zeek & feddie" thing, 0083 & 08th MS team were nowehre near this bad. This isn't a mainstrream release, and even if it was, there's still a dub for those who want it. The subtitles should be left alone.

I'm sorry, but dubtitles are "never" ok. It shows a severe lack of regard towards people who actually want to watch the show subtitled, as well as a huge lack of effort in translating. The whole point in watching something subtitled is to not have to put up with this poo. Better than HK's? Debatable. Better than raw? Again debatable. How is a mistranslation better than no translation? In both, you're not getting what's "really" going on. Considering this is a limited edition set, with the main audience being people who care about such things, it only stands to reason that if the intro's aren't going to be there, the freakin' translation should be accurate.

The subtitle script is closer to the english dub than it is to a literal japanese translation. Even I with next to no knowledge of the Japanese language (everything I learned is from anime) am picking out errors. It's also been noted over at the AoD forums.

And the next major problem with the Zeta set.....WING QUALITY DUBTITLES! DAMN YOU BANDAI, DAMN YOU TO HELL!!!!

Meh, I wouldn't be suprrised if Navy & Air Force volunteering dropped noticably. I know the only thing that would ever get me to join a military service would be to fly an F-14...

Just got mine today, awesome box....but that intro just doesn't fit. Those who have never seen Zeta will be the luckiest. But the piece they used, especially with all the shitty sound effects thrown in.....it's been turned into the robotech intro!

There was a big discussion about this when people started noticing some of ADV's dvd's going bad over at the AoD forums. It was decided that storing them upright (vertically) was better for tham then horizontally (laying down), and sotring them horizontally put more stress on the various layers, causing them to seperate in time, letting air in, and tarnishing the data layer.

Collecting limited edition items are cool & all, but if it's not something you're going to use, why bother. Life's too short to stockpile wastes of stuff, enjoy what you have while you have it.

Both are the exact same ending. Consider one a quick & dirty bare bones version, and the other a grand theatrical venture.

Meh, Macross had a pretty good release run. 3 years is far more than we could ever have hoped.

Bah , double post.

Am I the only one who thinks Yoda looks a bit like Samuel L. Jackson there?

To be fair, people did make a big deal out of manga screwing up the audio on hte 4th episode. But again, to those that don't think this business with Zeta is a legitimate gripe, just think about what would happen if Bebop or Escaflowne were released with out their themes. While I feel bandai did make up for it by including the booklet, pencil sharpeners, poster's etc (note that all of these items only appeared after the delay), it would have been a hell of a lot better if they came clean from the start.

I won't be cancelling my set, but damn. It may not mean much to some of you, but a properly done intro can set you up for a good series, and Zeta's definately did that.

GOD DAMN BANDAI!

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