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Realistic: adj. the theory or practice of fidelity in art and literature to nature or to real life and to accurate representation without idealization.--Source: Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary 11th ed. It comes down to this, why do you consider the desire to kill people more realistic than the desire not to? Is it really more realistic to believe that someone would do as much as they can "not" to hurt people, as it is to believe that someone would do as much as they can to wipe others out? Pacifism in its purest/extreme form would have been more akin to Reelina in Gundam Wing, sitting by expecting people to follow her based on words alone. What Basara did was take an active role in attaining peace. He didn't ask anyone to blindly follow him, he didn't sit around and just expect things to happen, he went out and with as much effort as others would take to fight people into submission, he made himself heard. How is it not? Flying has nothing to do with shooting. How is anything Max does realistic for that matter? By that logic, those who fire in combat are guarunteed to live? Your argument is a bit too randomly biased. I suppose that would be where "moving" would come into play. I doubt you'll find any significant evidence stating that shooting & flying will make you more likely to survive an engagement than "not" shooting & flying. Again, unless it's a Tomino story, or even more extreme, a Nishizaki story, now that man knew how to kill off his characters with extreme prejudice. But to put things into perspective, it's all in how you look at things. In war, not everyone lives, not everyone dies. Depending on who you are, or who you know, there could be many more dead soldiers you don't know, than ones you do. And just as in fiction, when people you know do die, it affects you much more profoundly than the ones you don't. Of course you're forgetting (be it due to non-familiarity, or forgetfullness) just as many dramatic deaths in Macross 7. Physica was an example given earlier, Kinryu, Gamlin's various scrapes (including his very nicely done "near death" scene), Docker, Docker's ability to constantly lose wingmen, and my favorite, Gigil. While 7 clearly didn't have the animation budget of Plus, the dogfights are still much prettier than Macross TV. Actually, Basara isn't playing guitar at all (not until Dynamite anyway), it's been said many times before, and now once again, the VF-19 Kai's cockpit used a guitar "shaped" flight stick. All the control's were still handled through standard stick "styled" movement, with switches & slider's taking care of control's usually handled by triggers (and or other cockpit switches). Hell, the slider covered the neck of the guitar, making it impossible to play while it was in flight. Basara's singing was "Karaoke." I still fail to see why you think flying & not shooting is more likely to make you a target than flying & not. Not getting hit has more to do wth actual pilotting skill than targetting skill. Though I also don't see how you expect me to think "Hendrix" is a derogatory term. Look at it this way, Basara embodies all the ideal's put forth before, without any of the hypocracy. He hates war, doesn't want to fight, would prefer to move people's hearts, and you know what? He does so. You're also forgetting one other key aspect, though Basara refuses to fight, he doesn't prevent others than doing so (save for Mylene, who was an entirely different situation than the enlisted soldiers to begin with). He doesn't tell Gamlin not to shoot & protect the fleet, he doesn't tell any of the military not to shoot & protect the fleet. He doesn't do anything even remotely to prevent them from doing their job. If anything, in the beginning before he started having an effect, he still served to distract enough Varuta away as to prevent both civilian & mlitary casualties. Basara accepted the need for people to fight to protect others, he just chose to go about protecting in his own way. The message at its base is the same as with medicine. You can either treat the problem, or you can treat the symptoms. Simply fighting without trying to achieve a resolution only treats the symptoms. Trying to stop the source of the conflict (i.e. not the soldiers, but the minds behind them) is treating the actual problem, and Basara did that. Someone is always going to have a bigger gun, and eventually that someone isn't going to be your side. And again, Basara acknowledged the need for people to defend, he just chose to defend in a different manner, and didn't stop the military from doing it their own way. But looking back at Hikaru & the original series, it wasn't Hikaru's willingness to fight that saved everyone. Hell, he wasn't even there for the majority of the final battle with Bodolza (he took damage & was forced to land). It also wasn't Minmay's singing/kissing culture shock on the Bodolza fleet that allowed the Macross to break through their defenses & launch a reaction weapon barrage. What brought down the Zentradi was a change of philosphy within their ranks. It was experiencing the feelings & emotions that the spies unwittingly brought back with them & spread through out Britai's fleet. It was them hanging out with people, realising there was another way to be, and having their heart's moved (and in turn moving others) that resulted in a revolt within the Britai Adoclas fleet seeing their own actions causing in the destruction of that new way of life. It was that undeniable force that caused Britai & Exedore to make the decision that truly resulted in the winning of the war (signing a treaty & joining the Macross, or face their own destruction in a mindless conflict). Had the Macross simply armed itself with reaction weapons & jumped into the fray, it would have been destroyed along with Earth. Had Minmay simply sang & kissed Kaifun, the culture shock would have worn off quickly, and again, the Macross would have been destroyed along with Earth. It was the ability for the Zentradi to live with the Macross citizens, experience life & share those experiences, that caused Britai to join his fleet with the Macross, and combine all of the above elements to result in a skin of their teeth victory. But none of it would have happened without moving their hearts. And that's what Basara's purpose is in 7, not to sing & distract people, not to fly out & kill people, but to change people's minds and let them see they have other alternatives to fighting. Had Basara fought & killed period, he wouldn't have had his rightous passion, he'd be a hypocrite. He wouldn't have been able to move people, the 7 fleet would have come to the same climax against an enemy with infinately stronger tech, and everyone would have died. It was moving their hearts, and changing their minds that won against an unbeatable enemy, not hopelessly shooting at them. And in many ways Harlock embodies the most important aspects of Harlock. He lives his own way, by his own rules, regardless of the situation or costs. The only mistakes in 7 were in its early 90's animation, there was absolutely nothing wrong with its story or philosphy, I wouldn't expect a change there. Hell, its spirit carried through in Zero. It wasn't the VF-0, Reaction weapons, or Roy that defeated the AFOS, it was Shin's ability to touch Sarah's heart that convinced her to call off the attack, and prove that humans weren't only capable of dealing with conflict through fighting. Shin let go of his rage, and let everything ride on hope.

Unless it's a Tomino show, in which case you can die at any given minute, in some randomly gruesome way

I 100% dissagree about Basara. He's a completely realistic character, very much of the artistic mindset. As far as his survival, why is his survival so much less believable than anyone elses? His piloting skills are comparable with an top ace, he just chooses not to shoot. Plus flying the latest Pinpoint barrier equipped Valkyrie doesn't hurt either.

There are exceptions to this rule. IIRC, the official Flashback 2012 DVD is all-region. 330779[/snapback] Actually, it's Region 1, 2, 3, & 4 , though there are occasioanl legit all region disc's.

Nope, the 20th Anniversary DVD has the full intro, and all cut scenes from VFX-2, just the intro from 1 though, and none for M3.

If an e-mail address randomly pops up during the subtitles, then it's definately a bootleg!

When will he learn to listen to Mr. Wonka....

Hmm, did your 2 disc Macross Plus DVD set only have Japanese audio? Because if it didn't have an english dub, and or Manga Ent logo's, then it's a bootleg All Macross Zero DVD's that are under $40 and have any kind of subtitles are bootlegs. All Macross DYRL DVD's that are under $50-$70 & have subtitles are bootlegs.

Liquid Snake....

It's too bad our copyright laws are so tight everyone has to be sue happy. It's a lot more fun when anyone can safely make hentai without companies having to worry about someone stealing their licenses & such.

Far from all bootlegs are CD-R's, and most dual layered disc's are gold colored. If the Artwork is lavishly done, great silkscreening on the disc, and it comes in a gatefold box, then it's a bootleg. -Chinese subtitles is definately a dead giveaway, especially when english & chinese are the only options. -Amazon.com isn't 100% safe either. When you buy directly from their online stock yes, but they're plagued with potential bootlegs when buying from their used stuff. Hell, take a look at the Beatles "Help!" I guaruntee 10 out of 10 of those new & used for sale are bootlegs.

It's pretty apparent by the end of 3 that Ocelot has some Snake envy. In 1 he poses as Liquid's lackey, all the while spying for Solidus, and while he was shy a hand, there's no doubt he jumped for joy at the opportunity to take Liquid's.

That is an awesome page...but where's the "stuff" you were talking about

Yeah, Kojima really covered his ass by making The Sorrow Ocelot's father

Not as silly as he looks with that mustache....I'll get over it, but damn, his regular facial hair would have worked.

The reason is that it looks silly on him, he looks much better with a beard!

I can post some images, but they are graphic and may upset some visitors. Should I post links to them or just add the pictures. Hands up to see who wants pictures... 329525[/snapback] Anyone who doesn't know about nudity in Gunbuster probably wouldn't be reading this far into the topic anyway. I say post them if you want to post them, link if you want to link. This is a forum about a 23 year old show anyway, what's there to worry about?

It would make sense for him to look like Solidus, since he too was a Big Boss clone, one who'd aged faster for some reason...but th at mustache, I still say Ocelot!

Share?

Matsumoto's huge universe encompassing GE: 999, Harlock, Yamato, etc would definately be mine.

While I'd love a remake of Snatcher, one that expands into the mission into Russia after the initial story, I don't blame the Metal Gear series for it not happening. For some strange reason, Kojima just doesn't seem interested. Maybe he's waiting for standards on sex & nudity to lighten up again so he can ecchi it up more than the original.

MGS4 version

Just looked up the pictures, and I'm pleased to see that it is indeed a double homage original metal gear/metal gear Mk II from Snatcher

PS2, Ace Combat, F-14, 'nuff said.

Hmm, I can't help but wonder...that looks more like Ocelot than it does Solid Snake, especially with the mustache. Maybe I'm just being paranoid by Kojima's repeated attempts at fooling people into thinking they were going to play a game as Solid Snake, while repeatedly replacing him with other characters (I got used to Raiden, and playing as Big Boss was so freakin' awesome that it made up for everything), but I can't help but wonder...especially with Ocelot being possessed by Liquid. I can't wait until PS3's are out, have decent mod chips made for them, and then this game is released! I didn't download the video, so I'm not sure exactly what was meant by Otakon communicating via mini-gear, but hopefully it's a nod to the Metal Gear Mk II from Snatcher, as Kojima has been far too neglectful in acknowleding one of his most awesome games.