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This liink will answer your questions. Arkham, that's my website and I've analyzed the hell out of the 1/48s so read that review and then surf around and you should be a certified expert in no time. When you're done with the 1/48s you can check out all the 1/60s too Also, whoevere said the MPCs are a lot more than 1/60s is not exactly right. Ben Dixon's MPC goes for less generally and the Super 1/60 releases go for just as much as the most sought after MPCs.

This is tone neutral, it occurs to me that everything I write can be taken quite abrasively if you apply the wrong tone to it. Anyway, the two stances I took today, Pro 1/48 and Anti Mac7 seem like pretty solid stances to have. It's not like I'm new to either one of them. I used to laugh with A1s posts and I've blasted the 1/60 since the first time I held one. Hey, if you want to tell me Mac7 makes any sort of sense than you ought to expect me to respond. If you want to tell me the 1/60 has the 1/48 trumped in any way you better be ready to defend the position. My posts are often extremely sarcastic and dismissive, that's just the way I write, it's my attempt at continuing discussion but I understand that it reads in an argumentative fashion. I don't think what happened in this thread was at all an argument. Dangard said something, I said "ya think?", he said "Look here", and I said "eh, I see things differently but whatever." As far as the MPCs go, if he's going to have a 1/48, a 1/60, and an MPC then it sounds like he'll be in plenty good shape to decide what he wants. He also is clearly a hardcore Robotech fan (which has me stumped as to why he's buying up Hikaru 1As) so if he wants to buy the MPC then so be it. I own lots of all the toys just 'cause I like variety in my display cases. Again, different strokes.

Mocking and chiding a cartoon hardly signifies being worked up. I wouldn't be saying things like "heck" and "fluffy love rays" if I was physically angry. Yeah, I berated it, but it reads as humorous to me. If it strikes you as a frothy attack then perhaps thou doth defend too much. Besides, I watched the whole thing and I when I sent BigWest a letter requesting they refund me for the portion of my life they wasted they simply ignored me. The nerve! Yeah, there goes Project M making brilliant sense again. "Should we tell our real soldiers about the clown mech that will dance around during the battles?" "Nah, they won't find that distracting, it shouldn't be a problem." I don't think we should bump Gamlin too much for his distraction. His duty is partly to protect civilians and here one is out in space endangering himself and potentially others with the distraction he's creating.

okay, point taken, this is not a thread to debate the 1/48 vs the 1/60. Just the same, note the complaint about "skinny arms" and then look at the rear lineart of the plane and tell me you think those arms are fat. Still no fat hips in any lineart either. And does the 1/60 really have better hands?? I'll give you the "bulbous canopy" argument and I would grant that the arms don't tuck up tight enough in the 1/48 but that's as far as I would go. I also hardly think perfect transformation is a "gimmick" but rather the very spirit of Macross toys. Anyway, the reason I even bother arguing it (despite my stating that we should let the toys speak for themselves... heck, I might even do a little project on that) is just to show the newb that we'll all have our preferences for whatever reason.

So you're saying you're okay with Basara and project M and you find it more reasonable than a news organization with a valk? Yes, QM-69 is literally laughable to me. Literally because I seriously did laugh... then cringed as it was discussed. Everything about it is silly from the presentation in the episode to the sloppiness in determing what it actually is. Gamlin is good... but he's no QM-69er? C'mon, seriously, they just tried to quantify Basara's piloting ability as if the children watching it weren't able to determine already that Basara was a good pilot. Ugh, gag. I wonder if Hibiki could QM-69? Does Max QM-69 before he eats breakfast in the morning? Yeah, difficult maneuvers I'm fine with so long as they're presented as such and not mystified. I guess it's like Tony Hawk's 720. The only problem is, this is war, not an exhibition. Wait, is it war? Heck, in Mac7 if you got beat you just ended up in a coma that you would probably recover from. No one dies because we have fluffy love rays of Basara energy to tuck us in at night... shudder. This isn't an issue about science so much as it is an issue of us having to believe what we're watching. When things get outlandish we can't take it seriously. Mac7 is constantly outlandish and can nearly never be taken seriously. Even the relationships are silly at best. Oh that Basara! There he goes again! Aw Mylene, she's so conflicted. Go Gubaba go! Repeat ad nauseum (sp?) MacII deserves similar levels of beratement though. I think most of that has been stated by others in this thread already.

The fact that we have to try soooooo hard to get Mac7 not to seem like ridiculous magic is the first step to realizing it's not worth the effort. Yes, sound is energy. Yes, emotions are powerful. No, the crap we see in Mac7 is not plausible. The bad guys are outlandish (seriously, who came up with THOSE character designs?), the implementation of "Sound Energy" is a joke, Basara avoiding harm is a joke, Gamlin surviving death is a joke, etc etc. It's a show that is benign fun for children but I personally crave a show that at least occasionally indulges an adult audience and I felt the original Macross did that. MacII at least has a more significant sense of fear about it (although it too is done poorly).

I disagree, the 1/48 seems closer to the lineart to me. The 1/60 is far too pointy and I don't remember enormous hip joints in the original lineart.

Couple of pointers: 1) Veritech is a Robotech term. In the macross universe we are specifically discuss "Valkyries" 2) You should visit the website in the link in my signature although I haven't put up my uber comparison yet... still working on the pics and should soon. 3) the 1/60 VF-1A Hikaru Ichijo (aka Rick Hunter in Robotech) is a first edition 1/60 meaning it has none of the improvements of the later versions. That said, the improvements weren't all that huge so you shouldn't feel like you're missing much. You'll have a gun that isn't as cool and little removeable plastic pieces on the arms whereas the later versions didn't need them.

Alright, so they decide it's time to make the world's ugliest valk and send it out to the enemy to emulate Minmay's singing. Um, I guess I follow so far. They decide, to do this, where does Basara get involved? Project M seems to always be something mentioned in passing, as in the whole "it's not really important, Basara has a valk, deal with it" and it's almost put exactly that way to Gamlin. I just don't see where Project M with Basara at the helm being any more or less believable then a news channel owning a Valk. That said, Sketchley did clarify for me that it was the feats that valk pulled off that he had a problem with and I agree with that. I also find Basara's prancing through battles to be even more outlandish than the Scramble News Network valk doing what it did. Aw but wait, I'm forgeting that Basara can reach Q9 or whatever BS they invented. Wow, both series are so bad.

Wait, so Sketchley you're saying Hibiki having a valk = bad but Basara having a valk is in with the theme of the original Macross and so it's okay? I find that to be an interesting take on things. I also loved the explanation of why Basara had a valk and the thought process behind it... oh no... wait... that's never really cleared up is it? At least we know Hibiki has a valk so he could report on a war. Basically I think it comes back to which steaming pile of poo you like more and I'd still contend you don't have to smell MacII for as long as Mac7 so that's the edge it has. MacII's theme is that man's greatest weapon is not his battleships (which the Marduk can best) but culture & love. In fact, the entire thing seems listed straight from DYRL. Mac7's theme? When things look bad, sing and dance and the whole universe will love you! See, the themes are actually pretty similar.

Oh wow, I didn't notice that someone beat me to that observation. Great minds think alike I suppose.

Kensei, I'm pretty sure that's a reference to the 1/55 SuperO and Elint. Last I checked they still fetch $450-$600

it kinda looks like two frogs humping (not the coloring, just the toy in general)

Wow, I was reading over the previous posts and was just about to write nearly exactly what Mr. March had already said. Excellent summation sir. Also note that I said "A bit more fantasy than the original SDFM" not "A bit more fantasy than M7" or something like that. The original series is relatively grounded (obviously with exception to the crazy conventions of the giant transforming robo universe). Minmay's singing affected people's hearts and minds as did culture as a whole. Minmay's singing did not shoot rays of love energy or make rocks fly. I say "rocks" because that's all we know them to be. The AFOS we know to be an extra-terrestial bad ass so, by the typical giant robo conventions, we grant it the ability to make the impossible happen (ranging from levitating ships to judging good guys from bad).

That's just terrible logic! Cold sores = easy. I see a girl with a cold sore and I'm like "yeehaw, you call me in a week." It's like unwed mothers... it's not like that chick doesn't put out. This post is meant entirely for levity.

How about a backdoor Macross project? Develop some new show with transformable mechs that doesn't mention the Protoculture or spiritia. It's on some distant Earth colony and there's a war. Have plenty of singing in it, I'm cool with that. Then, at the end, do something that ties it into the Macross universe. I think Macross needs to escape Protoculture, Spiritia, and many of the themes it has constructed to get fresh again and get a new audience involved. The universe is a big place, there's no reason every story in it needs to tie tightly together. Quick Edit - Kawamori for designs only. I saw what Lucas did to Star Wars and I'm convinced that's the road Kawamori is taking Macross.

As far as fantasy elements making it into the Macross sequels, I seem to recall Shin flying around on a rock at some point in Zero. Yes, it was drawn less colorfully than Mac7 but it sure seemed to be a bit more fantasy than the original SDFM.

I'm confused. It seems like we more-or-less all agree that price speculation is silly. I was just trying to prevent people from villifying Yamato. Clearly it is the evil, vile, and contemptible middle man we should all hate. Watch out middle men, I hear Geico is out to eliminate you. Anyway, let's not say how much we'd be willing to pay, let's let the middle men try to figure that out on their own. In the meantime I'll say this: I found Ghost to be quite good for cheesy romance films. I mean, Demi was looking pretty hot and I'm a sucker for movies that have bad guys being carted away by badder guys (the furies or such). I even didn't find Whoopi entirely annoying... quite a rare occasion.

There are people with far more information than we are privvy to who will decide what the price point will be. I think it's a bit vainglorious for us to believe that these forums have anything more than a trivial effect on how Yamato acts. We may bring faults to their attention after a toy's release but they probably get that information from MANY sources. They have a bottom line, they have a profit margin, they use equations to determine pricing. It's the middle men who do the marking up based on the flavor of the week. I also find it unlikely we can affect when they feel a product is of sufficient quality. They have standards, they try to live to them, they release products when they feel they have been met. When sales do not meet expectations they rethink those standards. To play it safe though, I agree with the artist formerly known as Haterist, speculation really can't be beneficial in anyway. Display optimism for a low price point, hesitation for a high one, and really just hope for the best. I don't think it makes a difference if you say "I'd spend a million dollars for one!" so why bother doing it? Play it safe so the middle men don't try to bump up their own profit margins.

With every Yamato release the old classics become worth less and less.

There must be a typo in there, 12GBP is a little less than $24.

Just a thought but is there a little merging of HG and Toynami happening here? I don't know how much HG leads Toynami (I always assumed HG had them by the short ones but I've been told several times now that's just not the case). Anyway, Toynami made their 1/100 series valks and some superposeables now but I don't know how much of that could really be construed as HG trying to affirm any rights. Seems to me like Toynami is just looking for new angles to make cash. After all, the DYRL superposeables was just another excuse for a repaint of existing products (although they did throw in a strike gun). I know HG does have a DYRL website that gives the visitor a strong impression that HG could release a DVD at some point (that website is now very old). quick edit - I think lots of the questions regarding this licensing dispute (forgive me I haven't read through this) boils down to the word "derivatives." As far as the models go, maybe HG contends that the wording only applied to existing models at the time of agreement and models created since are based on derivatives of the original Macross universe.

we need macrossworld call signs.

Nevermind

I know, I said I was making assumptions and that I may have completely missed obvious examples to the contrary in previous pages. I'm glad to hear I'm wrong, I can't wait to see more pics that show off the mode better.