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Maybe you should read more about the series themselves. A 2 hours OAV series cannot have anywhere close to the character development that a 24 hour long series does. Thats why they both came out at the same time. Macross Plus does have a plot and some character development, but it was primarily inteneded to be a showcase VFs and be an action movie. That cannot be disputed. The Mechas in Plus were right up front. IT STARTS OFF AS A COMPETITION BETWEEN TWO NEW FIGHTERS. How can it be secondary when Guld and Isamu engage in battle for approxomately 40% of the whole series? At the time Macross plus was the most expensive OAV to date, and it had no expenese spared in animating the valks including some of the first effectively integrated Computer animation (unlike the Return Of Char, where it was very gimmicky) Puhh-lease! Your full of non-sequitur such as the most expensive OVA and no spared animation. We're not talking about the expense of OVA-making and stuff. We're talking about character-development and plot, as you have opened up. Macross Plus starts off with ISAMU. Not with any fighter-competition. That came later after Isamu's and Guld's characters were established. The appearance of Myung alone gave the character-rivalry (not mecha-rivalry) more sense and more intensity at it became more personal between the two pilots. Macross Plus' focus was always on the characters: Isamu, Guld, Myung, and even Sharon. You really should watch more PLUS before you spout off your ridiculous BS about it. A 2 hour-OVA such as PLUS had more character and plot developments than all the episodes of M7 combined. The Mechas and Fighters-Competition were completely secondary in PLUS. It's all about Isamu vs Guld, not YF-19 vs YF-22. They're just machines. It's all about the two pilots in the fighting. It was Isamu who made the YF-19 the better mecha against the YF-22, not the YF-19 that made Isamu the better pilot. M7 had more focus on the VF-17, VF-19, and the VF-22. SoundForce, DiamondForce, etc, etc. In all it's glorified colorings, speakers and repeated stock posing. None of that in Plus. You get Isamu, Guld, Sharon and Myung developments in Plus. With great secondary characters like Millard, Lucy, Yang and Marj each adding different angles and perspectives on the whole story. roll-eyes. I was in that thread and your posts there just made me laugh and stuff. Tell me this. If you really think M7 was such a character-development and plot-development series in your eyes, tell us how Basara or Mylene or Gamlin have changed and stuff. Is it anyway comparable or even near to the changes in Guld, Isamu, and Myung as shown in Plus? What's up with Flower-girl and what exactly is her character and development in that series? Geezus. I don't like M7, but I don't hate M7. I'm rather ambivalent towards it. I like some aspects of it (the Max and Millia aspects). But you know, M7-fans like you completely blows my mind everytime you guys spout BS just to try to justify a really weak series such as Macross-7. By even trying to undermine and re-interpret Macross-Plus just to support your Macross-7 "reasons".

yeah. that new batman-costume is very kewl. Seems like better new ear/horns this time.

What??? What the heck are you talking about? Macross Plus was all about character-developments and deep, twisted, and involved plots. The mechas in Plus were very secondary. The difference between 7 and Plus is really simple: Plus is very good. 7 is very lame.

It probably did during it's time before EVA. Then it got clobbered severely and handed it's ass on a paper-plate by Neon Genesis EVA. And then buried forever by Nadesico.

Thermal image, a non-radar tracking tecnique. Ivanov was more sheltered than Roy and Roy didn't know where to look, that's why Roy didn't see him. FV I haven't check the Compendium, yet, but did the Zero have thermal-tracking, too?

fwiw, DD's SV-51 detected and tracked Focker's Zero-1S in the jungle-fight of episode-2. Focker couldn't and didn't know where DD was until DD fired at him. Forgot to mention about the melee between them on the deck of the Asuka in ep-3. Great stuff. Imo, slightly better than the melee between Isamu and Guld.

almost the same R1-thoughts as mine. here was my review on it posted at AOD-forum and at arstechnica-forum on 4/23/04: lots of issues with this ADV release, including the BOX-shenanigans that erupted at AOD-forum. I'd posted the box-pics there ( AzuDai box-thread ) . here's the extra "$10" box+pins:

hmm. Human-vs-Zentraedi (TV)= done. Human-vs-Artificial Intelligence (Plus) = done. Human-vs-Protodevlin (7) = done. Human-vs-Human (Zero) = not finished, yet. The only plot-line that has yet to be covered in Macross is the Human-vs-Supervision-Army stuff. I like to see that after Zero. Kawamori can tweak the timeline again by placing it either after Plus or after 7. No, MII-fans. Marduk != Supervision Army.

hmm. I think beam-sabers are over-rated and over-used in Gundam, anyway. I think beam-sabres is just homage to the samurai image. I don't recall Kou being a newtype, but he was good with the GP-01/GP03. Likewise Chris with the Gundam-Alex. A battle-axe is different, tho. I think it's ok for a Valkyrie to have a battle-axe. The blade could be incorporated into the gunpod. But I still think the VF-11 bayonet was the best and most logical way. I think the beam-sabres are only good for creating instant-onsen in snowcapped mountains.

You need to have Windows Media Player or Real Media browser-plugins or standalone apps. Then you do an OPEN instead of save.

It was ok. Spring-breakers and all. The girl with the big hooters was kewl, tho. Major Babe was such a hottie!!! Tara's got a bitchin' tattoo.

So, uhh, just an fyi for the MXC minions here. The schedule says it's an all-day MXC-day today, too.

geezus! I make a good living myself, but i don't think i can afford what you just did in one year, let alone in one month like you did. but, my hat's off for yah.

fyi since I know we got EVA contingents here. The rather interesting (to say the least) drama-thread about this ADV's EVA-platinum already had started and going on strong. Still, nobody in that thread knows for sure if this Platinum-edition is the actual Renewal-version. Some assumes it is. I'm not one of those assuming. I'll be on a wait-n-see mode on this. I want Renewal-version, and not some hacked-up re-release ala Robotech-Remasters/EVA-DC. Fwiw, if you haven't bought EVA r1, but are still planning to do so, this Platinum edition might be the one to purchase.

Yup. The dub on Seed was pretty good. I'm surprized Ocean Group voiced it good on the first episode, considering it normally takes approximately nine-episodes to get used to Ocean Group dubs.

Yup. They did. The GITS:SAC SE-version is now price at $37.46 http://www.rightstuf.com/1-800-338-6827/ca...tem/62807/4/0/0

TRSI pre-order page is up for Gits-SAC!!! Special-Edition for $44.96 at http://www.rightstuf.com/1-800-338-6827/ca...tem/62807/4/0/0 regular-edition for $18.71 at http://www.rightstuf.com/1-800-338-6827/ca...tem/62806/4/0/0

Actually, "Anata o kanjite-iru - Mia Santi Ren" is on the Macross II OST Vol. 2 CD. It's track 17. Yeah, you're right. It was in OST-2.

The song is Yakusoku (promise) and is included in the japan-only MacII OST-2 and in the Macross Character Songs cds. However, the dub-version of MII also featured a bgm just before playing the Yakusoku-song that I don't recall the title. The vocal-song prior to that bgm was Riding in Your Valkyrie, iirc.

- Moichido Love You That song is not in the OST-1, but is in OST-2 and Macross Character Songs. - Anata wo Kanjiteiru is another (more elusive, rather) Macross-II Ishtar-song that's only available in the Macross Character-Songs cd and not in either of the two MII-OSTs. Most likely this is the one Ishtar-song you're missing since it has no lyrics available, iirc. CDJapan still sells Macross The Complete for $67 + s/h (typically $10 to usa), so it's around $77 in total.

Macross The Complete contains music from the TV and DYRL only. Mac-II has it's own soundtracks. Two of them. The second-ost (japan-only) contains the missing Ishtar song.

Great job, dude! Very nice.

It's mostly a one-time-only routine and then it's all-region for the rest of the life of the player.

heh! Besides my dvd-roms players, I'm using this standalone coby-215 since I know of the rather easy all-region hack for it . got it for like $30-$35 at Fry's late last year. Progressive, mp3 and some stuff. It doesn't have audio-5.1 outs, tho, like it's older sibling the 515, but I missed out on the sale on the 515.

They've been doing that since '01/'02, iirc. As such, iirc, they were showing the painful dub-version of M-II back in '01/'02. Unless they changed and now showing the subs-version.