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I don't think I can classify Basara as a "Bro" given that he's very "safe" and I don't think I can handle being blueballing myself like he can when it comes to hot and eager girls like Rex. Besides, as much as a stud Isamu is, we all know he didn't mess around with a girl that's sorta/kinda/prolly-not-really involved with someone, especially if that someone is a mutual friend.

LOL! I ain't getting my gf even near Isamu in the first place. However, I might have my gf hang out with Basara coz, you know, he's really safe with the ladies no matter how hot and eager the ladies would be.

Isamu's just more likable than him because Isamu's more studly and gets laid with the ladies. I dunno about that. But if it floats your boat... I'm saying Isamu's more likable than Basara.

or more suspect. I reckon Hikaru just didn't have time and gotten more administration responsibilities after the battle of a sudden. historically, we know Hikaru's all mopey of a 16yo kid and he at least wanted to peek, so we can still forgive him and such. He did explicitly got laid in DYRL. in contrast, Basara's like how old again? he was not responsible for much of anything relating to colony administration. I think Basara had more time and more girls chasing him for being the firebomber diva, while Hikaru was only trying to chase the idol Minmay.

not about being friends or whatever, but more like, how many episodes and movies of M7 and still didn't get any amongst all those pretties? that's just really weird.

just the fact of getting laid no matter the personality is what i like. in contrast, it's alot more weirder for a guy not getting laid with women are throwing themselves at him.

I can't recall, but did Basara actually got laid in M7? I know Isamu got laid in M-Plus.

so, needless pedantry aside that prolly overloaded leadingedge already, let's try to get back his question of who is more likeable between Isamu and Basara.

sure he is. not his primary talent/skill, tho.

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he's referring to Isamu's and Basara's primary roles/characteristics and asking which one is more likeable. I don't think he was asking Max's opinion, either.

synthetic cell membrane creation (Kadun!) : http://www.gizmag.com/synthetic-cell-membrane-created/21263/ Reconstructing Speech from Human Auditory Cortex (Sharon AI) : http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pbio.1001251

c'mon, dude. you're just needlessly picking on him. we all know what he meant. if it pleases you, i'll restate his question: Isamu == military pilot. Basara == singer.

Really not sure about your fascination on those movies other than you actually went to the theaters to see 'em, but hey! Here's a better Sharon-concept that is both hokey and absolutely funny: http://www.comedycen...merger-proposal just gotta try harder, veef. Who knows? I tell you what, tho. Here is really something that is a lot lot lot better representation of a Protodevlin-concept that was way way before M7 anime: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089489/ Great movie, too. Would be surprised if Sivil was actually based on that. But the other Protodevlins are just not quite easy on the eyes and mindshare as Sivil and Sivil herself was just simply a wallflower in the anime to satisfy some japanese elfin fetish.

Eh? You wanna see my Ultraman boxsets and CA rips of M7? I think you're either simply just misunderstanding the hokeyness of M7 being equaled to Ultraman's "science-fiction" stuff, or you're just butthurt about it for some reason. Oh, I can accept the Protoculture-concept. I just think the actual Protodevlin and the threat they are supposed to represent were quite hokey in the anime and their designs were tired old derivation-ripoffs of characters from various asian religions and superstitions. Those alien monster designs and concepts are just not regularly seen in western sci-fi since after the 1950's b-movie era or something, afaik. I propose that the Protodevlins should be redesigned and reconceptualized as the Pretty Devlins wearing pretty sailor-soldier uniforms, as anime52k8 suggests. That way, they'll be instantly 20% cooler. I already have posted a link to an episode of Through The Wormhole regarding something real-world that are quite close to the BDI and stuff. It's an excellent series and I highly suggest you watch the series to find out other exciting stuff in the scientific real world that reminisces stuff found in M-Plus. The difference is we already got working stuff that is quite near to what Sharon and her potential danger were envisioned of. Sharon is simply just not as magical as you think she oughta be. In contrast, the way the Protodevlins and their vampiric zombifying control/power concepts were presented are just simply still in the realm of magical stuff. There is just no actual working concept of what they are and what they represent to be found other than the monsters concepts found in asian religions and superstitions. The reason you don't see me complaining about DYRL is simply because I am not. You and Veef assserted that the Sharon/Myung concept was "vague" compared to M7's stuff. I disagreed and posted working real-world stuff that is close to the Sharon/Myung concept. Maybe you'd like to post comparable real-world stuff that presents Protodevlins and Basara's anima spiritia stuff to counter? I'm really interested.

Just think of it as Basara loves aliens while Isamu hates AI.

Unfortunately, I'm not kewl enuff to appreciate vocaloids. But why be silly and hide the fact that rogue programs like the Morris worm of the 80's or the current electronic warfare between Iran and western powers are not quite as fictional? lol! That may be, but rogue AI and magical aliens of the week are just simply not quite the same. I dunno about that. Isamu is a hot head test pilot who wants to get the ultimate flight experience, while Basara is some j-pop dude who's got high spiritia stuff and wants to emulate Minmay. Not quite similar, I must say. :shrugs: Evidently coz at the very least, the Poniez will love and tolerate the sh!t outta everyone. A bit opposite of Basara's personality and methods. well and good that it didn't, imo.

Well, fwiw, I also know a little bit about computers and stuff, since I'm employed by a corp that makes alot and sell alot of computing and computing-related r&d stuff. Well, in the fiction, Sharon also controlled the entire global defense of the Earth, the X9 and Macross' weapons, so it's not just mind-control that we can present Sharon in evil form. Sharon's mind-control was relatively quite weak since somehow both Myung and Guld did not get affected by her unlike Isamu. I'm not including stuff from Zero or Frontier, so I'm a little perplexed why you're interjecting their own concepts into our little Sharon/M7 discussion. Nevertheless and still, Sharon (or Plus' themes) are still less hokey than M7's magical alien themes. At the very least, the presentation of Sharon is much easier to be absorbed by westerners and it still does. In contrast, M7's aliens and Basara were more likely much easier to absorb by the Japanese-fans than Plus, as evidenced by M7 being more successful over there in Japan than Plus. But hey! Maybe in the future, they'll find somebody like Basara who can neutralize alien mind-wipe by singing in space someday. Just gotta find an alien and/or an alien that does mind-wipe first.

It was silly, but we're all not in dispute of that. That's the disconnect here. Sharon is a computer AI that the humans built, therefore it's got human logic (or illogic) by design. Protodevlin are, well, aliens built by aliens. You can't really equate the two since we haven't gotten any alien-contact, yet. Considering actual AI work was started back in the early 20th century and lots of impressive military/medical developments since (internet, deep blue, asimo, siri, etc, etc) it is quite easier to consider a far future development like Sharon. It really just makes Plus alot less hokey than M7's Ultraman-ish stuff. Well, you might wanna take that argument with someone else who actually likes Frontier than me. Of course! well actually, initially BDI'ed by/with Myung, more like it.

want! just hoping Yamato ain't gonna go the expensive HDP-route on us with them.

What can I say? That's a specific part of the 80's stuff that we all love and was never in dispute amongst us. Even Sharon was not in dispute. Standard rogue AI takeover. Acceptable western sci-fi stuff since at least Space Odyssey movie. In contrast, M7 and magical aliens are simply just hokey japanese sci-fi ala Ultraman. To somehow tie in Sharon into that same hokeyness is just way bit silly.

I think the big elephant in the room is that: in M-Plus, the humans were victimized by their creation of Rogue AI super-computer in the form of Sharon Apple. in M7, the villains are interdimensional aliens. I just think that a rogue super-AI like Sharon taking over and wreaking havoc on the super-internet of the future is alot easier to believe in and a bit more acceptable to actually happen first than any kind of magical aliens stuff. ya know, like Ghost In The Shell stuff.

additionally, we currently have the Global Conciousness Project. Which, when the project itself has matured and stuff in the futre, can be possibly hacked by a super rogue AI like Sharon Apple to control alot of humans.

Reckon Discovery-Science site doesn't show the full episode. Try to DVR it or netflix the dvd to see the brain experiments on that episode. or try this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h80s7q5rwJs it should be in the 32-min mark that shows the brain-experiment.