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Not in those specific terms, no. In-universe advocacy for the Ghost X-9 and its successors was on two or three basic talking points centered around reducing risks and costs: A force made up of autonomous unmanned fighters can engage and defeat enemies without the need to put human lives at risk. Unmanned fighters can exert the full potential of the technology used in their construction since they aren't limited by human reaction times and biological g-force limits. Even semi-autonomous unmanned fighters are much cheaper to build and operate than Valkyries due to far less mechanical complexity and the lack of a pilot who needs to be housed, fed, trained, and draws benefits, etc. Oh, it wasn't unintentional at all... it was very much the primary purpose of the Sharon-type AI. It wasn't meant to be used offensively, though. Early emigrant fleets had issues with rioting because of their comparatively spartan living conditions and other difficulties. The Sharon-type AI was meant to help mitigate those problems by helping an emigrant fleet's population keep calm and carry on. Not mind control, but a sort of music-based relaxation hypnotherapy so the tensions that resulted in those riots wouldn't build up to the bursting point in the first place. Way more humane than calling the riot police out to bust heads after things go pear-shaped or pumping their water or air supply full of mood stabilizers to calm everyone down. But you know what they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. (A more malicious take on the idea was used by Macross Galaxy, who trapped their implant-using populace in augmented reality to help them escape the stresses of living in the fleet's awful conditions.)
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What Current Anime Are You Watching Version v4.0
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Don't Hurt Me, My Healer is finally attempting to cram some actual character development in in the last few episodes. Feels too little, too late, and the reveal that Carla has feelings for Alvin definitely feels forced considering how absolutely toxic they are to each other. Ascendance of a Bookworm is finally getting to the good bits, though that means the season is likely almost over. Ferdinand's Big Damn Heroes moment was in the most recent episode, so now... Skeleton Knight in Another World is still kinda copying Overlord's "Men of the Kingdom" arc... looks like they're headed to this setting's equivalent of the Slane Theocracy to recover some enslaved elves or something of that note. Trapped in a Dating Sim is still kinda... existing. Leon is mildly entertaining at times, but really his magnificent bastardy is the only reason to watch this otherwise fairly mediocre show. It's kind of shocking how bad the animation in this one gets. The robots, especially Leon's Arroganz, is off model so often that if it weren't for the higher quality animation work in the OP I wouldn't be entirely sure what it's supposed to look like. RPG Real Estate is still rather cutesy but otherwise kind of a bland and inoffensive slice of life comedy. Science Fell in Love, So I Tried to Prove It is still managing to be funny, but it kind of feels like it lost sight of the actual plot. -
General Galaxy was probably involved given that they ended up as the manufacturers of the economized Ghosts modeled on the X-9. That said, the main mover behind the Sharon-type AI was the a conglomerate called the Macross Concern. The Palo Alto II Research Institute that created the Sharon-type AI and the Venus Sound Factory that was Sharon Apple's production company were among its subsidiaries. Considering the logo on the bio-neural chip might as well say "INSANE INSIDE", Marley had good reason to freak the hell out that such an expensive and dangerous piece of military grade AI hardware was now running on a processor notorious for producing erratic and dangerous behavior.
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In so many ways... that's what ultimately led to him becoming a reservist and then joining SMS by the late 2050s. Sure he can. He plays Max in multiple shows, and by the time of Macross 7 or Macross Delta's second movie he's basically the storyline's Big Good. (This season, he's reprising his role as Ferdinand in Ascendance of a Bookworm... also an unambiguously heroic character who just had another Big Damn Heroes moment in the most recent episode.) Macross Chronicle offers the view that the VF-19P, like Basara's VF-19 Custom, is a derivative of the Spacy's VF-19F. Macross Plus is, essentially, a Macross-ized version of an orphaned non-Macross IP that Kawamori was working on c.1985 called Advanced Valkyrie. It was about an organization called NOVA that was testing a competing pair of transformable fighters at Edwards AFB (on Earth). Many of its designs eventually migrated into Macross after being recycled in various other series concepts incl. Air Cavalry Chronicles (the prototype for what became The Vision of Escaflowne) as the VF-9, VA-3, VF-X-11, etc. Looking at it, someone screwed up... which is par for the course for that wiki unfortunately. That's a picture of the VF-19ACTIVE Nothung from the Macross the Ride Visual Book.
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He was probably a bit preoccupied, since the New UN Forces rewarded him for his "heroism" in a suitably karmic way that suited their actual feelings on the matter. They put him on the promotion track to a desk job and kept him plenty busy so he wouldn't have time to get into trouble. Issues with the control AI aside, the Ghost X-9 was essentially a finished design already nominally approved for adoption by the New UN Forces. There wasn't a lot that needed to be done to get it production-ready except some minor tweaking and replacement of the AI with an older, more stable semi-autonomous type. It's significantly simpler and cheaper to manufacture than a Valkyrie, esp. a 4th Gen Valkyrie with advanced techy bits like pinpoint barriers and thermonuclear reaction burst turbine engines. Sharon Apple's music was kind of the same deal. The music itself wasn't necessarily at fault, the media just needed to be sanitized to remove any traces of Sharon's interactive audiovisual subliminal protocols before it could go back on shelves. Presumably the benefits of having been developed as a conversion of a manned fighter... it could be converted back into a manned fighter without a huge amount of effort while retaining many or all of the improvements. Given that, in the Macross Frontier novelization, Temjin of the NUNS 33rd Marines uses a Neo Glaug bis as his fighter in place of that Queadluun-Rhea/56 he used in the TV anime its specs are likely on the high end for a 4th Generation VF just as the Neo Glaug posed a similar level of challenge for Isamu in the game edition as the Ghost did for Guld in Macross Plus proper. One thing to remember is that some of these explanations are post-facto justifications Macross's creators came up with to better tie things together. Macross Plus is an especially odd case, since it wasn't originally conceived as a Macross title at all... they just kind of applied a thin Macross veneer to the existing story.
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Not a scapegoat, but an authentic malicious actor who was directly responsible for the Sharon-type AI going out of control. Macross Chronicle is pretty clear on the subject of it being Marge Gueldoa's installation of an illegal bio-neural processor in the Sharon-type AI system that caused Sharon to form an ego around the emotion data sampled from Myung Fang Lone and subsequently go crazy rampage nuts. The Sharon-type AI had already shown some instability and tendency to hostile action beforehand, but it was the bio-neural processor that made self-awareness and the ensuing Hal 9000 moment possible.
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Blame the YF-19... it was just too gosh-darned heroic-looking, so Kawamori replaced it with the less main character-y VF-171 Nightmare Plus for Macross Frontier and beyond. The one that came closest to winning was, amusingly, the Ghost. Because the economized derivatives of the Ghost X-9 like the AIF-7S/QF-4000 are high-performance unmanned fighters that cost only 1/3 of what the VF-171 does and operating them doesn't involve putting a flesh-and-blood pilot at risk, the next-generation Ghosts still ended up effectively sharing the main fighter role with the VF-171 in most places. In a few emigrant government air forces, the semi-autonomous Ghosts derived from the X-9 became the next main fighter anyway despite lacking full autonomous capability. Yeah, the New UN Government had good reason to cover up certain aspects of the Sharon Apple project. Exactly how much of the story was given to the civilian population is not entirely clear, but they seem to have at least been aware that Sharon Apple went berserk (via the ban on responsive/interactive virtuoids), that she used her music to hypnotize the populace (via the ban on her music), that the military was involved in stopping her, and that some of the underlying technology used in her design was to blame (because that tech was subjected to operational and export restrictions or bans). What the general public probably didn't get told is that the Sharon-type AI was actually a military project and that the stuff she did on her rampage was simply using capabilities she had been designed with. You see, the Sharon-type AI was developed as a support system for management of emigrant fleets. Its original design intent was to employ audiovisual subliminal hypnosis to allieviate stresses and tensions experienced by emigrant populations in transit and prevent the kind of rioting and social disruptions that occurred aboard a number of early emigrant ships due to their comparatively harsh living conditions. As an additional function, it was also outfitted with the means to take direct control over a fleet during an emergency. The idol career of the virtuoid "Sharon Apple" was a paper-thin cover story for carrying out field testing and data collection on the Sharon-type AI's hypnosis capabilities.
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Eh... well, this is one of those areas where the explanation starts to feel a bit like "exact words" rules lawyering from the showrunners. The Ghost X-9 wasn't developed simply to be a next-generation unmanned fighter. It was developed as a fully-autonomous next-generation unmanned fighter intended to supplant manned fighters as the main fighter of the New UN Forces. When Sharon Apple went berserk and seized control over the Ghost X-9 prototype (and the Neo Glaug prototype in the Game Edition), the ensuing scandal and necessary coverup convinced the New UN Government and New UN Forces that a fully-autonomous unmanned main fighter just wasn't a good idea with the available technology. So they cancelled their plans to adopt the Ghost X-9 (AIF-9) as the next main fighter of the New UN Forces and instead awarded a win to the YF-19 in Project Super Nova. What got cancelled wasn't the next-gen Ghost itself... but the plans to make a fully-autonomous version the next main fighter. Install a more traditional AI control system in there and/or put program restraints on the autonomous air combat program used by the Ghost X-9, and you've got an extremely high-performance next-generation semi-autonomous unmanned fighter. Instead of becoming the next main fighter, derivatives of the Ghost X-9 like the AIF-9B, AIF-7S, and AIF-9V instead replaced older models of Ghost in a supporting role in the New UN Forces as seen in Frontier.
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2022/06/04/box-office-jared-leto-morbius-bombs-again-with-85000-friday/?sh=58afc67a1cee Morbius limped back into theaters on the back of a meme and earned... only $85K upon its return?
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Up to a point, anyway... the Protoculture's civil war - the Stellar Republic dissolution conflict - came to an abrupt end when the Protodeviln emerged and attacked both sides, so past a certain point the irresponsibly dangerous inventions weren't a product of an arms race anymore. They were just building irresponsible stuff for the hell of it, or because they wanted to use one or another of them to improve the situation of their species. Which makes the Spacy's decision to bomb the Windermere IV ruins out of this dimension entirely awfully prescient... they know enough to know there are things the Protoculture left behind that oughtn't be messed with.
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Or simply that we're looking at snapshots of what they could do at radically different points in their history. Unlike many ancient precursors in fiction, they don't seem to have hit a technological plateau and stopped advancing even after their civilization started falling apart. They kept building newer, more advanced, and more irresponsibly dangerous nonsense.
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Mind you, watching Macross in chronological order is inadvisible... production order provides more consistency. But, all in all, it's not like Protoculture society was monolithic either and we mostly see them through the lens of what they did to someone else... be it leaving the Birdhuman behind to destroy humanity if we didn't develop as planned, accidentally trapping energy beings in prototype bioweapons, or creating massive clone armies, so the inconsistency there that reflects their tech level is also partly influenced by what time in their history those things were created as well.
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Kinda, yeah, if you were to watch Macross in chronological order. The Birdhuman in Macross Zero borders on indistinguishable from magic when it regenerates itself rapidly after activation. They're talked about in totally mundane terms in SDF Macross and DYRL?. Then in Macross 7 the Protodeviln are products of their technology whose abilities again veer heavily into indistinguishable from magic, between vampire-like feeding on people's mental energy, biological beam weapons, biological reactionless space flight without protective equipment, etc. In Frontier, they're mundane scientists copycatting Vajra biology. Then in Delta they veer back into indistinguishable from magic by hiding massive constructs in higher dimensions, buildings made of glowing rocks that respond to songs, and a dangerous forbidden ritual that could create a human hive mind.
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What Current Anime Are You Watching Version v4.0
Seto Kaiba replied to wolfx's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
OK yeah, Love After World Domination is my #1 for this season. I lost track of time after I decided to watch one episode over lunch and ended up watching the rest of the available episodes. Can't even recall the last time I was so engrossed in a series that I lost track of time! I'm not sure what's better... -
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Seto Kaiba replied to wolfx's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
Episode 5 of Love After World Domination. There's a scene where Fudo gets sick and collapses during a date with Desumi and ends up in the hospital with appendicitis. I lost it when I read the note on the boquet of flowers in his hotel room. It's a get-well letter from the head of the evil organization GEKKO wishing him a swift recovery, and expressing the hope that if he were to perish that it would be at his organization's hands. I have Coke up my nose and my sides hurt. -
The Protoculture like hopping back and forth across the border of "Sufficiently Advanced", but humanity... yeah they're kinda just tossing algae and plankton at oceans and hoping for the best.
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Seto Kaiba replied to wolfx's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
I can only watch Attack on Titan's last few episodes in fits and starts... not just because it's ridiculously grimdark, but because it's so incredibly DUMB. I'm still not caught up there because I can't stop cracking up at how everyone's horrified looks come off as DULL SURPRISE! and how insanely lame the plot is. Thankfully, there is an overabundance of good stuff this season. I've got no less than eight main shows I'm following and a bunch more I've only just started. Love After World Domination is rapidly becoming my contender for this season's #1 though. -
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Seto Kaiba replied to wolfx's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
OK, a couple episodes into Love After World Domination and I'm genuinely surprised by how much fun I'm having with this series. Not just because Fudo and Desumi are painfully earnest people... but because, as a result, absolutely everyone else ends up entertainingly wrong about their motives and actions as they increasingly twist their respective day jobs into excuses to see each other and abscond for some alone time. -
Not necessarily just the ruins... there's no natural explanation for the Yuria Archipelago on Uroboros having islands in the sky and various orphaned floating rocks, for instance. Of course, we are also seeing the galaxy as it is approximately half a million years after the Protoculture's civilization was wiped out so it's moderately likely that quite a few of the allegedly natural Class A worlds weren't like that when the Protoculture originally found them. Not the ruined settlements, but the massive fold wave resonators hidden alongside them in fold space...
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Started Love After World Domination today... It definitely has a lot of the same feel as Miss Kuroitsu of the Monster Development Department... except that it's aggressively, painfully cute. XD EDIT: OK Red's approach to a confession is a bit creepy... he read through her social media accounts to learn all about her first. That's a bit stalker-y. -
Nope. Odds are if it was once a Class A habitable world, it's probably not one anymore thanks to the Zentradi and/or Supervision Army. Reminds me of the plot of Phantasy Star Online 2's 4th episode... the whole schtick there being that the Theia impact hypothesis for the moon's formation is correct, and that what crashed into Earth was a defective copy of the living planet Xion the Photoners (that setting's abusive precursors) had made in an attempt to access the akashic records. It eventually recovered from the crash enough to start steering the course of the planet's development...
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Google Play Books was offering a bundle on the light novels a bit ago... not sure if it's on offer, but the discount's pretty good. -
Very safe bet they did... though they seem to have taken a slightly different, more long-term view. The official timeline mentions that Protoculture survey ships would stop on likely planets and reengineer the local life forms to ensure the emergence of a sub-Protoculture species that would prepare the planet for future colonization. Earth was one planet that was manipulated in that way, though the survey ship that did it was never able to report on its activities due to being attacked and destroyed by an enemy flotilla on its return flight.
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Ascendance of a Bookworm continues to be a well-executed and fairly faithful adaptation of the light novel. It might actually be slightly better than the light novel in that it makes Myne a lot easier to sympathize with by cutting out a lot of the more selfish and manipulative moments in her internal monologue and the story in general. It looks like this season's probably going to adapt at least to the end of Part II of the light novel, and thus is probably going to end on a rather low note since that story arc ends with... -
I'd presume it depends on how far from Class A the planet actually is. Terraforming technology in Macross is pretty limited, with the only mentioned technologies being things the New UN Government deployed in Earth's postwar recovery plans like using designer bacteria to combat radioactive pollution and regulate atmospheric composition or building an orbital sun shade to mitigate global warming effects. On their own, these won't do anything to combat that consequences and side effects of something like changing the oxygen content of the atmosphere (which could cause die-offs of flora or fauna) or causing sudden worldwide global cooling, so their reliability is probably pretty hit-and-miss. It also won't do anything about discoveries like lethal infectious diseases (e.g. the ones on Zola that you have to be properly immunized against before visiting or you might die, as seen in Macross Dynamite 7), dangerous wildlife (like the dinosaurs on Pukirases IV or Lux), and the like, and could make other problems like severe weather worse. Humanity are still very much blindly stumbling around the cosmos throwing science at the wall to see what sticks. (Of course, there are probably also a lot fewer Class A planets than there used to be thanks to 500,000 years of the Zentradi and Supervision Army bombing the everloving hell out of each other.) I'd expect it depends on how habitable the planet is and the particular circumstances of the emigrant fleet in question. The newer, larger, emigrant ships are designed to operate for decades at a time while searching for habitable planets. If their hand is forced by damage or some other factor, they might settle on a less-than-Class A planet simply to minimize the risk to their populace like how the Macross Frontier fleet saw the Vajra planet as a do-or-die situation after being so heavily damaged in their war with the Vajra that the ship's bioplant environmental system was beyond self-repair. Macross 29 was noted to be in a rough patch itself thanks to damage it sustained from gravitational waves that would likely have made it VERY happy to find a habitable planet, esp. since its economy was collapsing. We haven't seen a big enough sample of emigrant fleets to really get an idea of what behavior is the norm, though since those fleets each have their own local governments there may not actually be a norm since each fleet is making its own determinations. We don't know how many emigrant fleets settled the Brisingr cluster, but with twenty or so inhabitable planets, many of which appearing to be Class A or close to it, some of those fleets may have split up their resources to settle multiple planets. The ones we've seen seem to mostly keep going until they find one inhabitable planet and go all-in on that. It's possible that marginally-habitable worlds may be tagged for future investigation either by that fleet and settled by volunteers or some kind of follow-on mission intended to settle worlds like that. Eden was discovered and first settled by a short-distance emigrant fleet in November 2013, over a year before Megaroad-04 was launched. (The year before Megaroad-02 and -03 were launched, in fact.) Entirely too many sidequests and at two or three main quests in Macross 30: Voices Across the Galaxy involve someone in one of the arcology-cities on Uroboros asking Hunters Guild members to transport cargo from one city to another using their Valkyrie for some urgent purpose or other (often medicine). On a planet largely lacking overland routes to connect cities in the three regions thanks to insane terrain like floating islands, dangerous "wild"life like the technorganic Dyaus and a Vajra hive, and other dangers like the gangs of bandits and renegade Zentradi that attack transports to steal supplies and so on (made more dangerous by clandestine assistance from a corrupt NUNS VF-X Special Forces unit), Valkyries became the only way to get around large portions of the planet safely.
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