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Super Macross Mecha Fun Time Discussion Thread!
Seto Kaiba replied to Valkyrie Driver's topic in Movies and TV Series
Did you forget Xaos was basically keeping Mikumo as a slave from the moment of her creation until... actually, there's no evidence that they've ever stopped keeping her as a slave. Her interactions with Walkure were strictly limited and she wasn't allowed out into society in order to conceal that she was a 3 year old illegal clone with virtually no understanding of social behavior. She was created to be a weapon, indoctrinated and trained to be a singer, and shuttled from one battlefield to another with no real opportunity to object or even consider an alternative lifestyle. -
Ah, that's incorrect. The YF-30 was not developed to surpass the YF-24 or anything like that. It was developed as an Experimental aircraft (an "X-plane") and built to evaluate several new technologies, the most important of which was the Fold Dimensional Resonance system that was developed as a way to cross dimensional faults. The reason it was designated as a prototype (YF) instead of an Experimental aircraft (VF-X/VX) was to exploit a loophole in the New UN Government's laws about disclosing newly developed technologies. Classifying it as a prototype allowed SMS Uroboros to avoid having to make those disclosures to the central New UN Government and continue testing in secret for much longer than they normally would have been able to. The YF-30's performance is actually lower than the YF-29's by a fair amount, and it's much less heavily armed as well because it was not developed as a combat aircraft. For its part, the VF-31 was nominally developed from the YF-30... but it is a heavily economized model that shares little in common with the YF-30 apart from its basic design and transformation. It was not developed as a successor to the VF-24. In fact, its performance is on the same level as the VF-25's and it shares a lot of parts with the VF-25 as well. The VF-31 was locally developed within the Brisingr cluster as an economic stimulus and for export sale to other governments. Rather than purchase a 5th Generation VF from another government like buying VF-25s from the Frontier fleet, they developed their own new model locally to keep that money inside their own economy and create jobs. Their other goal was to bring money into the cluster by selling VF-31s to other governments that hadn't already purchased an export variant of someone else's 5th Gen VF design. (Its backstory is heavily inspired by Japan's own domestic 5th Generation fighter program that had the same motivations.) The VF-31 Siegfrieds used by the Delta Flight of Xaos's Ranga branch 3rd Fighter Wing are "aftermarket" customizations of the stock VF-31A Kairos that adopt a detuned version of the YF-30's engine and a much less capable, but still gobsmackingly expensive, version of the YF-29's Fold Wave System. The modifications push the VF-31 airframe to its limit but only really improve it enough to rival the performance of the VF-27. The VF-31AX Kairos Plus is...
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Eh... I know I'm probably being a bit harsher on that half-arsed creative decision than I actually need to be, too. I've probably said this before in other threads, but I kind of dislike the YF-29 on principle. It's Macross's first real Super Prototype. It is, in Macross, the same kind of thing that the Gundams are in most Gundam shows. It's an irresistable force AND an immovable object. It's an impractical superweapon that is so expensive it can never be mass produced or used widely, but not so expensive that there can conveniently be just one of them hanging around somewhere in case someone needs to be play the next mission with the cheats enabled. It's so incredibly expensive and resource-intensive that there's no believable way for someone to just have one. Giving a YF-29 to any member of the Jenius family other than Mirage would be grotesque overkill. Giving a YF-29 to Max basically allowed him to hijack the entire film and steal focus from the main characters at least three times, including during the climax of the film! We've got no specs for the VF-24 used by Earth and the central New UN Forces, so it's hard to say. It is worth noting that every 5th Gen VF was developed from a redacted version of its specs that omitted key/proprietary technological advancements, leaving emigrant governments to fill in those gaps on their own. We know the YF-29 was developed to exceed the performance of the YF-24 Evolution but it's left unclear if it truly did so and if so by how much. I'd assume the YF-29 probably does surpass the VF-24, but ends up on the losing side of the equation because the VF-24 can be mass produced and the YF-29 can't because of its massive price tag and the insanely high fold quartz requirements.
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What Current Anime Are You Watching Version v4.0
Seto Kaiba replied to wolfx's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
That's not spoiling it, that's like bringing out a second bag of magic mushrooms when everyone is halfway to Jupiter and wondering why they can taste time itself. I'll probably finish the first season tomorrow. Uzaki-chan Wants to Play season two is off to an enjoyable start. Belligerent Sexual Tension, the Series. I'm not sure there's a distinction between trolling each other and flirting for Uzaki and Sakurai. Mob Psycho 100 Part 3's first episode has dropped. That should be quite interesting too. Some of this season's shows are really drawing a line under how creatively bankrupt the isekai genre has become though. We're on like our fifth or sixth series about someone getting isekai'd and becoming a pharmacist in a fantasy world. -
Star Trek TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT - pre-Paramount+ TV Series
Seto Kaiba replied to sh9000's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
Ah, what almost was... Not only is this a vanishingly rare Good Wesley Episode, if it weren't for the royalties issues and the showrunners feeling that Locarno was irredeemable Robert Duncan McNeill would've been reprising his role as Nicolas Locarno on Star Trek: Voyager instead of suspiciously similar substitute Tom Paris.- 246 replies
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All right, Andor episode 5 has dropped... "The Axe Forgets". This, I think, is probably pretty good confirmation that we're going to be following a similar three-episode story arc package for the entire series or at least the entire first season. "The Axe Forgets" is another middle installment spent building up to the action sequences in the next episode. It's interesting how this series manages to humanize the Imperials without actually making them any less monstrous. The ISB are shown to have a sort of solidariy among their individual teams, and the grunts at the Aldhani garrison are mostly just men going about their jobs who aren't particularly interested or enthusiastic about the Imperial agenda... they're just doing their jobs. It's also interesting that this at least portrays the rebels as a lot more nuanced and morally complex than any previous work. Some, like Vel, seem to be in it for the principle of the thing. A lot of the ones we've met, though, are just damaged souls who seem to mainly be invested in hurting the Empire than in the grand cause of liberation.
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🙄 That's ridiculous and I have a feeling you KNOW it's ridiculous. Yes, Max was allegedly a backer of the anti-facist paramilitary group Vindirance during the Second Unification War. Macross Chronicle does not present it as a fact, but as rumor along with his supposed connection to Mariafokina Barnrose. Max and Milia did, as I noted here and in other topics, fly VF-25s in the novelization of the Macross Frontier movies. They did so as part of the New UN Spacy and SMS reinforcements arriving to support the Macross Frontier fleet. Not as private citizens. Regardless of the length of his military service, there is no way the New UN Government or New UN Forces are going to just give a retired soldier who is now a private citizen and nothing more a beyond-state-of-the-art fighter that is vastly more powerful and exponentially more expensive than even a current-generation main variable fighter. Not only is there literally a regulatory bureau in place specifically to prevent that kind of military abuse of authority after the Second Unification War, but the New UN Gov't and New UN Forces know only too well what happens when a top ace switches sides and has access to advanced weapons like that. The New UN Gov't had (and has) arms export restrictions that prevented the VF-19 being being adopted by emigrant forces in any significant numbers and prevented them from sharing full specs for the YF-24 Evolution to the emigrant governments. (The backstory for the VF-19EF/A also provides a statement that trying to purchase military tech like that "through channels" is illegal. Isamu tried it, and was only saved by Dr. Neumann hastily conceiving a VF-19 service life extension program and naming Isamu as its test pilot.) More like to work around the areas omitted from the specs by the central New UN Forces and meet the specific priorities of the Frontier fleet.
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It's pretty obvious Macross Delta was primarily a vehicle for Walkure... the writing in much of the TV anime bordered on an Excuse Plot to have Walkure go places and sing. Eh... people are gonna ask that question, since the central New UN Forces can barely lay hands on a YF-29 in the best of circumstances how did a 70+ year old retiree apparently get a personal one, esp. after leaving the military and no longer being able to use his clout as commander of a New UN Spacy defense force to secure the latest models. The VF-25 and VF-31A are about on par with each other. They share a LOT of parts in common too. The VF-27's got higher performance than either, with the Siegfried VF-31 custom hovering between the VF-25/VF-31 and VF-27 performance-wise. EDIT: To make this a bit more precise, the production-intent VF-25 and VF-31 both have a thrust-to-weight ratio of approximately 39. The VF-27's is 46.5, the VF-31 Siegfried's is 44.9, the YF-30's is 53.1, and the YF-29's is 61.2.
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Seto Kaiba replied to wolfx's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
I am deeply concerned that you used the word "first" here. There are multiple seasons of this acid trip in visual form? -
Well, sort of... on previous occasions, Max was a Colonel (or higher) in the New UN Forces and the commanding officer of the local New UN Forces for an entire emigrant fleet. He had a LOT more direct pull with the military. It's very jarring and nonsensical for Private Citizen Maximilian Jenius to somehow be able to obtain The Most Powerful Valkyrie, a craft so expensive and advanced that even central New UN Forces special forces units have to twist arms and take extraordinary measures to acquire them.
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The Supervision Army was an ad hoc force made up of the Protoculture and Zentradi who were captured, drained of their spiritia, and subjected to mind control by the Protodeviln to sustain the Protodeviln's lives by capturing more sources of spiritia.
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It's mentioned only in passing in the Macross Delta TV series and some promotional material for it in Great Mechanics G, but Xaos has a similar arrangement with the governments of the Brisingr Alliance that SMS's Frontier branch had with the Frontier Government in Macross Frontier. Namely, the Brisingr Alliance (the local NUNG economic and mutual-defense pact) contracted Xaos to carry out the operational evaluation testing on its domestically developed 5th Generation VF before the local New UN Forces formally adopt it as their next main fighter. The government gets a pack of expendable mooks (Xaos) whose deaths or injuries are all legally considered "accidental" to test their new fighter in battlefield conditions and Xaos gets to borrow a bunch of trial production next-generation VFs from the government to use while carrying out their contractual obligations to support the defense of the region. Xaos simply went one step further and customized (at their own expense) a handful of the VF-31As they were given into the Siegfried type for Walkure's flight demonstration and bodyguard team. Otherwise, their gear is noticeably less nice than SMS's. Their other branches are flying VF-171s where SMS's had VF-19s, and SMS had the latest prototype Macross-type ship while Xaos seems to have an older, less capable model. The Blu-ray liner notes literally say that it is unknown how Max came to possess a YF-29. (Kawamori jokes that he might've used his influence with the New UN Forces to get it.)
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Seto Kaiba replied to wolfx's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
Oh, it 100% is disjointed... two largely independent breather arcs followed by skipping an arc to go to the shorter arc on the other side of it? No way that was gonna flow well. Having season four be all about Ainz's preparations to raze Re-Estize to the ground would have been difficult, as it really does almost come out of nowhere in the light novel the way that it does in the anime. Some of the buildup to it is lost because they did not include "The Paladin of the Sacred Kingdom", but that's mostly WRT the Sorcerer Kingdom's previous intent for Re-Estize. Yeah, without "The Paladin of the Sacred Kingdom" you kinda miss where those two meet up in the middle. Ainz's position on international relations could best be described as "(Publicly) Do no harm, but take no sh*t." Philip's actions and Ramposa's defense of Philip put him in the position of having little alternative but to declare war (or at least, that's how it's explained in the light novel). Halfway in... and it's just completely insane. -
What Current Anime Are You Watching Version v4.0
Seto Kaiba replied to wolfx's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
I did like it, but I am inherently quite biased in its favor as I am a big fan of Maruyama's Overlord light novel series. It definitely had issues. I'd say most of them were caused by where Overlord's fourth season landed in terms of adapting the light novel. The previous three seasons all remained narratively very tight by adapting three-volume story arcs. Season four had the misfortune of starting on not one but TWO single-volume "breather" story arcs with adaptations of volumes 10 and 11 ("The Ruler of Conspiracy" and "The Dwarven Crafter"). Those two tried to bring the tone down a bit before the two-part gut punch "The Paladin of the Sacred Kingdom", but for what I assume are runtime reasons they skipped over that arc completely and went straight to "The Witch of the Doomed Kingdom". The writers did clearly try quite hard to smooth over its absence while leaving a little to tie into the movie, but without "The Paladin of the Sacred Kingdom" first there's a fair amount of context missing for why so many nations not only won't help Re-Estize but aren't exactly bothered by the prospect of its destruction either. I am enjoying Birdie Wing, but for all the wrong reasons. It's not just that Birdie Wing is giving a relatively placid, humdrum sport like golf the Iwakakeru treatment and presenting it as the most exciting sport in the story's world. It's that it takes that to an even more extreme place. This is a world where golf - and more importantly watching golf - are apparently so exciting to these people that there is back-alley golf gambling with people betting thousands and thousands of dollars on single-hole contests and people getting scammed on rigged back-alley putting greens. There is a MAFIA that seems to have little else on its mind besides gambling on golf and cheating at gambling on golf. And to put the cherry on this methamphetamine sundae with adderall sprinkles, a protagonist that behaves like she's in a shounen battle anime complete with battle auras and calling her "attacks". I don't know how you even begin to conceive a series like this. It's so... I don't even have a word. This is the Jojo's Bizarre Adventure of sports anime. It should not exist, but here it is. I want to see where this idea can go next. What "sport" can be made ridiculously over the top? Can we get a pachinko or pachislot anime with heavy Initial D vibes or something? -
Macross runs on broad strokes continuity at the best of times. The word "canon" is almost meaningless to it... and the "truth" of any given scenario in the next work is almost always somewhere in the middle. For instance, the TV and DYRL? versions of the VF-1 coexist as two different production blocks of the in-universe VF-1. Exsedol's TV and DYRL? appearances are both said to be right with the more humanlike one being what he looks like without his Records Officer genetic mods. Macross 7's dramatization of the First Space War has a movie Vrlitwhai next to a TV Quamzin. Macross Frontier shows a Zentradi NUNSM unit using a mixture of TV and DYRL? equipment. Macross the Ride and Macross Delta's TV series both take a middle-of-the-road approach to Frontier with the YF-29 being prominently mentioned and the latter showing the TV ending of Frontier with a movie Sheryl and Ranka and Alto's YF-29. Macross Chronicle's timeline favors the shows, but references to the movies sneak in everywhere anyway... especially in the technical setting. Max and Milia schooling the best aces around has been a running joke since Macross 7. Poor Gamlin got that s*** in stereo having Milia for a teacher, then reporting to Max before being transferred temporarily to Milia's command. ... the Armored Pack has ALWAYS been a flying brick going back as far as the original series. Technologically, the 4th Generation VFs were the point where VFs no longer truly needed Super Packs to have a reasonable operation time in space. The 5th Generation reversed the equation so that Super Packs were no longer about justifying huge boosters and fuel tanks with a handful of missiles but having boosters and fuel tanks to offset a huge amount of additional weaponry. The VF-31's Armored Pack is just badly-designed serial escalation of that design philosophy that looks like someone took every spare part in a model builder's bits bin and glued them to it. The base VF-31 design is some of Kawamori's best work... to the extent that it makes any bolt-on extras look even uglier because they detract from its gorgeous lines. Part of the problem is, I think, that the VF-31 custom Siegfried type was pitched as a less-heavily-armed version of the VF-31 meant for close air support and flight demonstrations and they're overcompensating for that down the road.
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It might, or it might not. Physics is a harsh mistress. The statistically average Zentradi is 5x the physical dimensions of a 1.8m athletic Human male, with a proportionately greater mass (125x). Their greater size doesn't diminish their speed relative to their size, so not only is the fist 125 times the mass it's moving 5 times faster. About 625 times the total energy all other things being equal. The Valkyire may have the advantage of e-motors over muscles and the rigidity of armor instead of skin and bones, but its responses are slower than the all-organic Zentradi and it also lacks flesh's ability to absorb and dissipate impacts more readily. Consequently, the Valkyrie's moving parts are more likely to sustain damage punching something than the flesh-and-blood arm of an ordinary Zentradi soldier. Especially the delicate articulations of the Battroid's fingers. It's also going to be taking hits with enough energy to rival an armor-piercing cannon shell in the process. Because Zentradi soldiers are nearly as durable as a Battroid to begin with and are wearing body armor to boot, the end result is something more like the Terminator on Terminator brawl from Judgement Day. A robot of comparable size and weight to a standard human would not be very durable at all. Terminator's titular killer robots are not only made of super-advanced future tech that exceeds modern material strength, they're all WAY WAY heavier than a human to avoid compromising durability (~3x as heavy as Arnold was playing one). A robot hand MADE for fisticuffs in Macross is a lot less humanlike... look at the Spartan destroid's. A big, chunky, healy-armored claw rather than a nimble, dextrous, humanlike hand. They're probably made on the same satellites as the regular troops, just on a separate line, but yes. It's not really any different, in principle, from modern militaries transferring in a new commanding officer to replace one who was lost on the battlefield.
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Seto Kaiba replied to wolfx's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
Trying to watch Birdie Wing... but this show is just on ALL the drugs. It's almost trying to turn cute young girls playing golf into an edgy shounen anime. It's so deep into "What do you mean it's not awesome" territory that it's actually kind of accidentally hilarious watching everyone treat golf like some amazing pulse-pounding high-stakes sport as dramatic as a life-or-death fight. -
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Seto Kaiba replied to wolfx's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
Well, Overlord IV has ended... it sounds like we're getting a movie adaptation of the one story arc they skipped to get to The Witch of the Falling Kingdom. We're gonna get a movie out of the Paladin of the Holy Kingdom. The new season has some interesting offerings on simulcast. Spy x Family part 2, Mob Psycho III, My Hero Academia 6, Uzaki-chan wants to hang out part 2, Berserk: the Golden Age arc, Jujutsu Kaisen 0, Legend of Galactic Heroes Die Nueue These 4, Mobile Suit Gundam: the Witch from Mercury, and Welcome to Demon School Iruma-kun 3. No official word on Macross streaming from the major player yet that I can see, but still some good stuff on offer -
They order a new one from the SpaceMall cata-glaug in their seatback pocket, naturally. 😛 Up to a certain level among the rank-and-file they just promote based on performance. Past that point, where commanders are a separate class of Zentradi, they go get a replacement from one of the factory satellites that produces the clone soldiers for the fleet.
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Probably worth noting at this point that Zentradi body armor is made of the same stuff VF armor is... which has excellent heat resistance. "Asskicking equals authority"? Having a clear chain of command is very important for maintaining unit cohesion, especially across such a large force. Making the unit commander harder to kill necessarily means the valuable resources that go into making them are less likely to be lost and the chain of command is less likely to be disrupted. Not to mention the obvious advantages of having a commander who can literally wade in and knock heads together if the grunts get rowdy in order to remind everyone who's the boss. Having a commander who refuses to stay down is probably pretty good for morale in a pinch too. Of course, if humanity inherited the Protoculture's foibles as much as the series sometimes suggests, there may be a more mundane reason like "being tall makes you look more like a leader".
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The amount of plasma in a Valkyrie's exhaust in atmospheric operation is so small that this is not exactly something the Zentradi are at risk of. Only a very small amount of fusion plasma is needed to flash-heat the intake air to the requisite temperature for safe thrust production. (Available figures put the fuel consumption rate just south of 0.28ml/sec.) In practical terms, the Zentradi are no more at risk of being burned alive by the VF-1's jet wash than you or I are in danger of spontaneously combusting standing downwind of the jet wash from a modern jetliner's turbofans. Suitably braced, it could potentially throw a Zentradi backwards a bit as it did to Vrlitwhai, but equal and opposite reactions being what they are an unbraced Valkyrie would not be able to do that as the amount of thrust needed to move something as large as a Zentradi would push the Valkyrie away too.
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The term "cell wall" refers specifically to a rigid or semi-rigid structure surrounding a cell's outer membrane made of material like cellulose and pectin which is commonly found in plants but absent in animals. The outer boundary of animal cells is the cell membrane, a flexible boundary typically made of phospholipids. That distinction is why cheemingwan1234 was thrown by your post. Cell walls are a feature not found in animals. The exact nature of the biochemical and anatomical changes that micloning systems make based on latent genes has not been elaborated upon. However, the end result is a living being able to structurally withstand being 10m tall and bipedal, with strength and reflexes to suit and durability rivaling an armored combat robot. As tough as they are (and as physiologically impossible as MK-style "fatalities" are), it is unlikely that a VF-1 could achieve such a needlessly gory feat. Especially given that ghe Valkyrie's hands are notoriously fragile and not intended for that kind of close combat.
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Unless Lt. Meero drags him out of "retirement" to spite her rival Lt. Blevin, I doubt he'll be back. He seems like less of a main antagonist and more of a warmup boss. He wasn't evil, or even malicious. He was just an officious twit in WAY over his head. As someone with even less experience with the EU, I'm in the same boat if not worse. I have no idea what the approximate buying power of a "credit" is in usable terms. What I've sussed out from dialog is that a thousand or so credits is some serious walkin' around money. Cassian was willing to pay 700 credits to be smuggled offworld no questions asked to beat a murder rap. Luke claimed that 10,000 credits was nearly enough to buy your own ship (I'd assume that he meant used) and 17,000 for covert passage to Alderaan was apparently so good that Han dropped his demand for cash upfront on his already quite ludicrous quote. Cassian agrees to sell "the box" to Luthen for 40,000, which is clearly a HUGE sum of money in context and Cassian is totally bemused when he's offered a further 1,000 just for the story of how he got it. Luthen then offers him five times that apparently princely sum (a whopping 200,000) just to assist in the heist, which would suggest the amount they're stealing must be pretty freaking enormous for an amount that large to be unmissed. (A quick Google search suggests it's quite the princely sum indeed... twice the price of a brand new ship of the Millennium Falcon's class, or enough to buy a new X-Wing.) We've seen Saw Gererra and others in the teasers for this first season, so I'd assume there'd have to be at least one more story arc after this one just to accommodate them since they're not part of this one.