Seto Kaiba

For as long as I've been on Robotech.com, people there have been suggesting that Tommy was the one who got Steve the webmaster job (despite his only experience being a BA in creative writing) because they're brothers. I've only attempted to watch it three times. Usually I stop about halfway through out of sheer boredom. Yeah, they've been doing that ever since the movie came out. It's usually the die-hard, fanatical Robotech fans who spend their free time complaining about Macross shows they've never seen, who pop up to insist that the fact that Robotech: the Shadow Chronicles feels like an overlong game intro cutscene is actually appropriate because it's the first installment in an ongoing story. Fortunately, there are very few people who do that... Jeebers is one of them. Treiz is another.

Where're you coming up with 90,000 people? The military crew of the Macross was 20,000 people, most of whom are presumably living in navy-style bunkrooms in the midsection of the ship. The civilian population living in the ship's improvised city section numbered only 58,000 people at the start of the war. The crews of ARMD-01 and ARMD-02, as well as the pilots stationed aboard them, are likely living aboard their ships most of the time. The way it stacks up, the total population that HAS to be living aboard the Macross (the crew and civilians) is at most 78,000 people, only three quarters of which are actually permanent residents of the city. Yes, the population density in the city section is a bit extreme, but the city has an extremely unconventional layout (being built in tiers, and occupying something like half the ship, where gravity is not a huge issue). The city does seem a bit larger than it ought to be, but that's just dramatic license.

Your rant would've been a LOT easier on the eyes if it wasn't one stupendously huge paragraph. Break it up a bit next time, it'll be easier for everyone else to read. Occasionally, I have cause to wonder why Harmony Gold was willing to settle for Tommy Yune. When he joined the Robotech franchise, his entire portfolio consisted of a couple adventure games (The Journeyman Chronicles series), a brief stint working on Superman Y2K, the comic adaptations of Speed Racer, and a Danger Girl miniseries. All in all, not the most impressive resume for a creative director. I'm guessing he was merely the best of a small group of applicants. It's not like Robotech creative director was/is a hugely prestigious position. He was probably the best they could find who was willing to do the job. EDIT: If anything, Danger Girl: Kamakaze ought to have been an indicator of how bad Yune's attempts to "improve" Robotech would be... the plot revolves around a Japanese fascist group left over from World War 2 (though one with paradoxically Communist insignia) who stole a germanium-based antimatter bomb made during the final months before the Japanese surrender (you may now "WTF").

Actually, it's a huge stretch to try and fit the production model VF-4 into Robotech, because the official line on the VF-4 in Robotech is that it was NEVER mass-produced, and in fact only one or two prototypes were ever built. You, sir, frighten me.

Yeah, they blamed the project's failure on Netter Digital having gone bankrupt earlier that same year. EDIT: Actually, now that I think about it, there's an alarming trend of companies going bankrupt and/or out of business shortly after acquiring a license to produce Robotech products. A tidy little microcosm of the entire franchise, more like.

Robotech 3000 is pretty much ironclad proof that Harmony Gold's creative staff was terminally incompetent even before the changing of the guard that brought us Tommy Yune. For the last time, that model is a VF-X-4 prototype, not a production model VF-4. The production model VF-4 does NOT appear in Robotech, and it is the production model VF-4 that the URRG attempts to add to the Robotech universe.

Nope, it never does. Yes, Robotech 3000 was set in the year 3000.

An odd choice... considering Robotech's timeline has never really gone past 2044. No, it's not. The production model VF-4 first appeared in Macross: Flashback 2012. It's the VF-X-4 prototype that briefly appears in Super Dimension Fortress Macross as a scale model. I'm reasonably certain it does not appear in DYRL. In any event, the URRG's VF-4 entry does not use the VF-X-4, it uses the completed VF-4 design with the Kawamori-designed battroid mode from VF-X, and cites This is Animation Special: Macross Plus and Macross Digital Mission VF-X as its sources. EDIT: The article's remarks section even explicitly mentions that the completed VF-4 design "never appeared in Robotech".

Why go that far? Just file a copyright infringement claim against the site with Yahoo! Geocities. It's really an odd dichotomy. Robotech fans so often profess to hate Macross and regard many Macross fans as elitist, but so many of them spend their free time trying to expand the Robotech universe by grafting mechanical designs, characters, and stories from unrelated universes onto Robotech's original series. As I've illustrated in the past, there is that small segment of Robotech fans who are convinced that Macross is a ripoff of Robotech. I also know a few groups of Robotech fans who are convinced that the best way for Robotech to move forward is to rewrite more of Macross. It's these two groups that indulge in the blatant and often senseless practice of trying to rewrite and incorporate the rest of Macross into Robotech's universe, and occasionally other shows as well. Possibly the least offensive of the Unofficial Robotech Reference Guide, which openly admits that it isn't intended to be a reference for the "official" Robotech universe, but rather is an overly detailed supplement to their series of fan fiction. What makes them stand out is that they pursued it from a scholarly angle, and that there are very few mecha included that do not belong to the animation used in Robotech's original series (the VF-4 Siren/Lightning III being the only one that leaps to mind). All the same, many Robotech fans don't seem to realize that it its articles aren't intended to apply to Robotech itself, and keep trying to cite it as some grand official source to rival the Macross Compendium.

Actually, as far as I'm aware the "thinking cap" is something McKinney came up with. Carl Macek gabbled on a bit about protoculture causing an "empathetic" link between man and machine, but it was the McKinney novels that made it a piece of technology integral to the control of a battroid. Of course, even Robotech fans are quick to shoot that one down, citing the fact that neither the dialogue nor the animation supports the existence of such a technology in the series. There was actually a big, overly verbose thread about it not too long ago. If you think Robotech fans have a persecution complex when confronted with Macross... it's NOTHING compared to the persecution complex the McKinneyist Robotech fans have developed because of the fanbase's general antipathy towards anything associated with McKinney. I guess you could argue that Robotech fans are only emulating the show's creators when they're stealing everything that isn't nailed down and/or on fire and trying to graft it onto Robotech. These days, it's virtually impossible to find a Robotech fansite that hasn't stolen something from one of the later Macross shows, or any of a host of other mecha shows. Even the much-lauded (among RT fans) Unofficial Robotech Reference Guide includes a bunch of mecha that aren't even in Robotech. The sad part is it's one of the more conservative ones... I've seen Robotech fans trying to incorporate mecha, characters, and stories from as far afield as Neon Genesis Evangelion and Godannar.

You did a good job of not flaming... but Maverick_LSC apparently didn't like what I had to say, so he locked the thread. Someone might wanna remind that poor chap that Sentinels was canceled and never finished, and Untold Story never got released like it was supposed to (because it bombed its test screening), so there really has only been one Robotech continuation. Kind of hilarious that the only joke name for RTSC that offended him was Tommy Yune's Day Off. Not even the baldfaced implication that Tommy Yune was a bad a writer as Ed Wood... just a simple reference to Ferris Bueler's Day Off.

That's pretty much the status quo of Robotech fandom. I'm going to keep sparring with McKeever on this one... just for yuks. Hehehe... game on Kevin... game on...

I would actually be inclined to avoid that sort of thing, except where tradition dictates such titles... like having the captain of a ship being called "Captain" regardless of his/her actual rank, and extending that to "Admiral" being the title for a fleet commander, regardless of rank.

Actually, it should properly by Army/Air Force. In most countries with active space programs, military operations in space fall under the jurisdiction of the Air Force. "Spacy" is a contraction of "Space Agency".

You chaps'll enjoy this... http://www.robotech.com/community/forum/re...genumber=1#post

Glad to help. Not sure who said that one... I recall saying that Macross was far and away the most popular segment of Robotech. So much so that every major attempt to continue the story (Robotech II: the Sentinels, Robotech: the Shadow Chronicles) has been centered around the remaining Macross characters. Heck, the two most important parts of the marketing blurb were "Mark Hamill's in it", and "find out what happened to Rick Hunter". The latter of the two is the most frequently professed reason for buying the movie. As far as popularity goes, the New Generation (Mospeada) is a distant second. I don't think Tommy and Steve are quite that clever... as marketing coordinator, Kevin McKeever was already the public relations fall guy in the event something went wrong with either project. Actually, as far as Harmony Gold apologists go, rhade is by far one of the least offensive of the lot. I and more than a few others have reason to cause to suspect that he probably doesn't actually believe his own defenses of Harmony Gold, and that he's just sucking up to Kevin McKeever in hopes of being made a moderator. Admittedly, rhade has told some pretty outrageous lies in the past... last month he posted a very dramatic virus warning on Robotech.com. It was all very theatrical, warning everybody about the dangers of a new virus called "Virut". When I pointed out that the Virut family of viruses was better than six years old, and that the last new variant of it had been detected over a month previously, he flat-out told me that I didn't know what I was talking about (I own an IT consulting firm, he manages a hotel). I asked him what variant it was, and who detected it... he wouldn't answer. I asked him where he got his information from, and he tried to convince me that he was a "freelance programmer" for Microsoft, Symantec, and McAfee, and that all three companies were sending him viral code so he could work on defenses for his own systems. Of course, that's about as obvious a lie as it's possible to tell, and just for kicks I confirmed that it was bullshit via some friends of mine who work for Microsoft and Symantec. When confronted with his lie, he tried to claim he'd gotten that secret information through MSDN (which is also an obvious lie), and then ran to the moderators for protection. Still, there are worse apologists out there... Treiz being one of the very worst. He loves making apples and oranges comparisons to try and justify his view that Robotech is one of the best-selling, most-popular sci-fi franchises of all time.

Hey... they're not the sharpest knives in the drawer, so it probably takes them a while to think up plausible lies to appease the fans.

I am nothing less than astounded that you were able to say that with a straight face. There has never been anything original about Robotech, and I very much doubt there ever will be. Yeah, the guy who played Mannequin Skywalker certainly is aloof and unlikeable enough to fit the bill... you might be on to something there.

Yes, two... 1.) Give up on Robotech. It's dead, and has been for something like twenty years now. Harmony Gold's beating a pile of rotting giblets that used to be a dead horse, in hopes that the twitching simulates life. 2.) Macross: Do You Remember Love?.

I'm on the map now... Michigan, USA

Speculating? Yes. Creating hype? No. At no point are we promoting or extravagantly publicizing the Robotech live action movie. Since most if not all of our contributions on the subject have been negative opinions and theories ranging from "the movie will be bad" to "there is a strong chance the audience will commit suicide by gnawing through their own femoral arteries", we can't really call what we're doing "hyping" the movie with a straight face. The people doing the hyping are the ones at Harmony Gold and on Robotech.com, who are treating every piece of information as proof that the movie will descend from the heavens in a pillar of light and lead the moviegoing public to the promised land, or at the very least be slightly more awesome than a wireless blowjob dispenser designed by Chuck Norris. My role in the discussion has been more to do with reporting on the condition and mood of the Robotech fanbase than actually speculating about the outcome of the movie. Honestly, the Robotech fans who are dense enough to be gabbing on about how the live action movie is going to make Robotech wildly popular don't give a tinker's damn about Macross. Like I've said before, many of those are the militantly anti-Macross folks. The general mood of the fanbase on that subject is much more apathetic, and can be summed up with "Yeah, that's what you said about Shadow Chronicles". Then again, the devout fans are the ones who thought the 90's comics that made Roy out to be some kind of hybrid of Chuck Norris, Crocodile Dundee, Rambo, and James Bond were awesome... so that ought to indicate what their opinion's worth... One really can't blame the devout Robotech fans for being overeager for every teeny tidbit they're given... after all, it took the "creative" staff at Harmony Gold something like twenty years to overcome their trademark hamhandedness long enough to release a sequel, and that the sole merit of said sequel was that it was merely bad, rather than god awful.

Yes. It's part of the VF-100 series.

Sadly, that first image the OP posted is the sole piece of official art for the Daedalus II-class space carrier.

Poor choice of words on my part. I didn't mean to offend. By a "better" name for the boards, I meant a more thematically appropriate name. "Galaxy Network" works just fine for a main timeline-devoted site, but that's not what we're working on. Anyway... our target date for opening the main part of the site to the public is somewhere around May 9... I'll make a new thread for it then.

Whoops... cat's outta the bag... Since the site's currently down for a major overhaul, I wasn't planning to post a thread about it here until after we'd got the message boards finished and the site's main index up and running. Because of the economic downturn, three of our project team members moved out of the state in search of new jobs, and so we're WAY behind schedule for the site's construction, but that can't be helped since it's just me, Saori, Paul, and Greg working on it now, and all four of us have to keep up with our day jobs. Not to mention acquiring and translating the sources that're going into the site's Macross II encyclopedia (for want of a better name, I'm open to suggestions ) has set us back a ways... as has our work on the Macross II section of Mr. March's Macross Mecha Manual. Officially, the working title of the remodeled site is the "Macross II Universe"... likewise "Galaxy Network" is a working title for the boards... one that I agreed to under considerable duress from the other three members of the development team and several lewd cosplay-related promises from my girlfriend... we actually have a new, much better name for it that'll be applied once we finish construction on the system later next week (knock on wood). Anyhoo... I'd be grateful if we could go ahead and let this thread slip off the list for now. I'll post a new one once we've gotten ourselves caught back up to the production schedule and are ready to open.