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Why go that far? Just file a copyright infringement claim against the site with Yahoo! Geocities. It's really an odd dichotomy. Robotech fans so often profess to hate Macross and regard many Macross fans as elitist, but so many of them spend their free time trying to expand the Robotech universe by grafting mechanical designs, characters, and stories from unrelated universes onto Robotech's original series. As I've illustrated in the past, there is that small segment of Robotech fans who are convinced that Macross is a ripoff of Robotech. I also know a few groups of Robotech fans who are convinced that the best way for Robotech to move forward is to rewrite more of Macross. It's these two groups that indulge in the blatant and often senseless practice of trying to rewrite and incorporate the rest of Macross into Robotech's universe, and occasionally other shows as well. Possibly the least offensive of the Unofficial Robotech Reference Guide, which openly admits that it isn't intended to be a reference for the "official" Robotech universe, but rather is an overly detailed supplement to their series of fan fiction. What makes them stand out is that they pursued it from a scholarly angle, and that there are very few mecha included that do not belong to the animation used in Robotech's original series (the VF-4 Siren/Lightning III being the only one that leaps to mind). All the same, many Robotech fans don't seem to realize that it its articles aren't intended to apply to Robotech itself, and keep trying to cite it as some grand official source to rival the Macross Compendium.

Actually, as far as I'm aware the "thinking cap" is something McKinney came up with. Carl Macek gabbled on a bit about protoculture causing an "empathetic" link between man and machine, but it was the McKinney novels that made it a piece of technology integral to the control of a battroid. Of course, even Robotech fans are quick to shoot that one down, citing the fact that neither the dialogue nor the animation supports the existence of such a technology in the series. There was actually a big, overly verbose thread about it not too long ago. If you think Robotech fans have a persecution complex when confronted with Macross... it's NOTHING compared to the persecution complex the McKinneyist Robotech fans have developed because of the fanbase's general antipathy towards anything associated with McKinney. I guess you could argue that Robotech fans are only emulating the show's creators when they're stealing everything that isn't nailed down and/or on fire and trying to graft it onto Robotech. These days, it's virtually impossible to find a Robotech fansite that hasn't stolen something from one of the later Macross shows, or any of a host of other mecha shows. Even the much-lauded (among RT fans) Unofficial Robotech Reference Guide includes a bunch of mecha that aren't even in Robotech. The sad part is it's one of the more conservative ones... I've seen Robotech fans trying to incorporate mecha, characters, and stories from as far afield as Neon Genesis Evangelion and Godannar.

You did a good job of not flaming... but Maverick_LSC apparently didn't like what I had to say, so he locked the thread. Someone might wanna remind that poor chap that Sentinels was canceled and never finished, and Untold Story never got released like it was supposed to (because it bombed its test screening), so there really has only been one Robotech continuation. Kind of hilarious that the only joke name for RTSC that offended him was Tommy Yune's Day Off. Not even the baldfaced implication that Tommy Yune was a bad a writer as Ed Wood... just a simple reference to Ferris Bueler's Day Off.

That's pretty much the status quo of Robotech fandom. I'm going to keep sparring with McKeever on this one... just for yuks. Hehehe... game on Kevin... game on...

I would actually be inclined to avoid that sort of thing, except where tradition dictates such titles... like having the captain of a ship being called "Captain" regardless of his/her actual rank, and extending that to "Admiral" being the title for a fleet commander, regardless of rank.

Actually, it should properly by Army/Air Force. In most countries with active space programs, military operations in space fall under the jurisdiction of the Air Force. "Spacy" is a contraction of "Space Agency".

You chaps'll enjoy this... http://www.robotech.com/community/forum/re...genumber=1#post

Glad to help. Not sure who said that one... I recall saying that Macross was far and away the most popular segment of Robotech. So much so that every major attempt to continue the story (Robotech II: the Sentinels, Robotech: the Shadow Chronicles) has been centered around the remaining Macross characters. Heck, the two most important parts of the marketing blurb were "Mark Hamill's in it", and "find out what happened to Rick Hunter". The latter of the two is the most frequently professed reason for buying the movie. As far as popularity goes, the New Generation (Mospeada) is a distant second. I don't think Tommy and Steve are quite that clever... as marketing coordinator, Kevin McKeever was already the public relations fall guy in the event something went wrong with either project. Actually, as far as Harmony Gold apologists go, rhade is by far one of the least offensive of the lot. I and more than a few others have reason to cause to suspect that he probably doesn't actually believe his own defenses of Harmony Gold, and that he's just sucking up to Kevin McKeever in hopes of being made a moderator. Admittedly, rhade has told some pretty outrageous lies in the past... last month he posted a very dramatic virus warning on Robotech.com. It was all very theatrical, warning everybody about the dangers of a new virus called "Virut". When I pointed out that the Virut family of viruses was better than six years old, and that the last new variant of it had been detected over a month previously, he flat-out told me that I didn't know what I was talking about (I own an IT consulting firm, he manages a hotel). I asked him what variant it was, and who detected it... he wouldn't answer. I asked him where he got his information from, and he tried to convince me that he was a "freelance programmer" for Microsoft, Symantec, and McAfee, and that all three companies were sending him viral code so he could work on defenses for his own systems. Of course, that's about as obvious a lie as it's possible to tell, and just for kicks I confirmed that it was bullshit via some friends of mine who work for Microsoft and Symantec. When confronted with his lie, he tried to claim he'd gotten that secret information through MSDN (which is also an obvious lie), and then ran to the moderators for protection. Still, there are worse apologists out there... Treiz being one of the very worst. He loves making apples and oranges comparisons to try and justify his view that Robotech is one of the best-selling, most-popular sci-fi franchises of all time.

Hey... they're not the sharpest knives in the drawer, so it probably takes them a while to think up plausible lies to appease the fans.

I am nothing less than astounded that you were able to say that with a straight face. There has never been anything original about Robotech, and I very much doubt there ever will be. Yeah, the guy who played Mannequin Skywalker certainly is aloof and unlikeable enough to fit the bill... you might be on to something there.

Yes, two... 1.) Give up on Robotech. It's dead, and has been for something like twenty years now. Harmony Gold's beating a pile of rotting giblets that used to be a dead horse, in hopes that the twitching simulates life. 2.) Macross: Do You Remember Love?.

I'm on the map now... Michigan, USA

Speculating? Yes. Creating hype? No. At no point are we promoting or extravagantly publicizing the Robotech live action movie. Since most if not all of our contributions on the subject have been negative opinions and theories ranging from "the movie will be bad" to "there is a strong chance the audience will commit suicide by gnawing through their own femoral arteries", we can't really call what we're doing "hyping" the movie with a straight face. The people doing the hyping are the ones at Harmony Gold and on Robotech.com, who are treating every piece of information as proof that the movie will descend from the heavens in a pillar of light and lead the moviegoing public to the promised land, or at the very least be slightly more awesome than a wireless blowjob dispenser designed by Chuck Norris. My role in the discussion has been more to do with reporting on the condition and mood of the Robotech fanbase than actually speculating about the outcome of the movie. Honestly, the Robotech fans who are dense enough to be gabbing on about how the live action movie is going to make Robotech wildly popular don't give a tinker's damn about Macross. Like I've said before, many of those are the militantly anti-Macross folks. The general mood of the fanbase on that subject is much more apathetic, and can be summed up with "Yeah, that's what you said about Shadow Chronicles". Then again, the devout fans are the ones who thought the 90's comics that made Roy out to be some kind of hybrid of Chuck Norris, Crocodile Dundee, Rambo, and James Bond were awesome... so that ought to indicate what their opinion's worth... One really can't blame the devout Robotech fans for being overeager for every teeny tidbit they're given... after all, it took the "creative" staff at Harmony Gold something like twenty years to overcome their trademark hamhandedness long enough to release a sequel, and that the sole merit of said sequel was that it was merely bad, rather than god awful.

Yes. It's part of the VF-100 series.

Sadly, that first image the OP posted is the sole piece of official art for the Daedalus II-class space carrier.

Poor choice of words on my part. I didn't mean to offend. By a "better" name for the boards, I meant a more thematically appropriate name. "Galaxy Network" works just fine for a main timeline-devoted site, but that's not what we're working on. Anyway... our target date for opening the main part of the site to the public is somewhere around May 9... I'll make a new thread for it then.

Whoops... cat's outta the bag... Since the site's currently down for a major overhaul, I wasn't planning to post a thread about it here until after we'd got the message boards finished and the site's main index up and running. Because of the economic downturn, three of our project team members moved out of the state in search of new jobs, and so we're WAY behind schedule for the site's construction, but that can't be helped since it's just me, Saori, Paul, and Greg working on it now, and all four of us have to keep up with our day jobs. Not to mention acquiring and translating the sources that're going into the site's Macross II encyclopedia (for want of a better name, I'm open to suggestions ) has set us back a ways... as has our work on the Macross II section of Mr. March's Macross Mecha Manual. Officially, the working title of the remodeled site is the "Macross II Universe"... likewise "Galaxy Network" is a working title for the boards... one that I agreed to under considerable duress from the other three members of the development team and several lewd cosplay-related promises from my girlfriend... we actually have a new, much better name for it that'll be applied once we finish construction on the system later next week (knock on wood). Anyhoo... I'd be grateful if we could go ahead and let this thread slip off the list for now. I'll post a new one once we've gotten ourselves caught back up to the production schedule and are ready to open.

I suppose having no communication at all is a failure to communicate too... Virtually all of the hype about the Robotech live-action movie is coming not from Harmony Gold or Warner Bros, but from the fans themselves. Specifically, that same small group of die-hards whose tenuous grip on reality and completely alien concepts of "fun" and "entertainment" lead them to protest that everything is ripping off Robotech and start petitions for things like the completion of Robotech II: the Sentinels and a DVD release of Robotech: the Untold Story. Those are the fans who are latching onto every piece of news about the movie, no matter how trivial, as though each one was a revelation from the mouth of God himself. It's those fans, the ones who are convinced Robotech hasn't been forgotten, that are making the live-action movie out to be some kind of great sci-fi opus that will eclipse even Star Trek and Star Wars. Fortunately, they are but a small minority. Amusingly, the general attitude about the live-action movie on Robotech.com can be essentially summed up as "I'll believe it when you show me some proof, Mr. McKeever". There's a lot of skepticism about whether or not the live-action movie is going to happen at all. The prospect of a "reimagining" doesn't seem to have gone over well, and there's a fair bit of worry that the reimagined end result will be something aggressively unlike Robotech... a valid concern in my opinion, given what Michael Bay did to Transformers. Some fans have voiced the concern that if the live-action movie sinks without a trace, it could also derail plans for Robotech: Shadow Rising. All in all, the fanbase seems to be approaching the prospect of the live-action movie with suspicion and skepticism, rather than unabashed enthusiasm. As far as "teasing the fans" goes, the guilty party is Harmony Gold, not Warner Bros or Maguire Entertainment. It's the guys at Robotech.com made that initial news post about how there was a rumor that Tobey Maguire was going to play Rick Hunter in a live-action Robotech movie that started it all... and they're the ones who've been keeping the few die-hards strung out by offering them tiny tidbits of information, and hiding behind the excuse of "you can tell we're working hard because we don't have anything to show for it yet".

Interested in what he'll earn if it becomes a cash cow like Transformers did, more like...

Yeah, I've been waitin' 21 issues for that. Once it comes out it's got top priority with my site's translators, though I doubt it'll have new information. By the time it comes out we oughta be finished with Animage #11 and the VF-XS Valkyrie II. Not gonna see scans of Chronicle though, since pretty much everybody importing it is onboard with sketchley's "no scans until the magazine goes out of print" plan.

I genuinely doubt that Tobey Maguire is actually a fan of Robotech, particularly in light of the fact that the "news" that he was a Robotech fan came from Harmony Gold. As we all know, Harmony Gold employees aren't exactly the most trustworthy sources of information, what with that almost Soviet-esque tendency to bury information that doesn't show them in a positive light, and occasionally "re-interpret" the facts to show themselves in a better light, like they've been doing with Shadow Chronicles. I'm much more inclined to believe the claims that former Star Trek actor Wil Wheaton is a Robotech fan, because he has no obvious ulterior motives for claiming to be one, and the news that he was came before the announcement that there would be a live-action Robotech movie.

I just finished that particular marathon a week or so ago... watched everything except the original series (which I don't have) and the last episode of MS IGLOO 2: The Gravity Front (which isn't out yet). I think, of all the various gundam pilots, I liked Shiro Amada and Uso Ebbing the most, mainly because they didn't whine as much as Amuro, Kamille, Judau, and the others. To recover from the manic depression Tomino put me into, I'm gonna watch something with a lighter tone... I've been putting off watching Tenchi Muyo! GXP for a while now...

Yeah, but as I've said before, Macross Chronicle's writers are only referencing Entertainment Bible 51 and This is Animation Special #5. Since the PC Engine game mecha don't appear at all in This is Animation Special #5, and Entertainment Bible 51 only covers the VF-1 Kai (VF-1R), it's highly doubtful that any of the PC Engine game mecha will appear... and that unfortunately means we'll probably never see a mechanic sheet for the Daedalus II.

Something for which I am heartily grateful... While I'd love to see the Macross II timeline explored in more detail, I'd rather they went backwards and did OVA adaptations of the Neld Fleet Incident in 2036, the three-way war of 2037, and the 2054 Zentradi invasion. Like the main timeline's bizarre compulsion with turning every enemy into an ally by the end of the series, Macross II kind of wrote itself into a corner... there's nobody left to fight, unless they go with the whole "300 years in the future war with the colonies" thing that early rumors suggested Macross II would be about, but that might be a bit over-Gundam-y for my taste. I wouldn't turn up my nose at a Five Star Stories TV show either...

Well well well... those idiots at Chronicle had better not screw this one up... They really half-assed the Gigamesh and SNN Valkyrie mecha sheets... they'd better not do the same to my all-time favorite mecha, or there'll be hell to pay. I'll consider it a rousing success if they actually straighten out the contradictory mess of information revolving around the weapons of the VF-2SS SAP Valkyrie II... but given their tendency to blindly parrot from existing sources without adding something new... be prepared for the gunpods to be identified only as "Gunpod".