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Presumably yes... of course they're not even close to being the first fan project to have that happen. Even back in the 80s Harmony Gold was stomping all over fan projects at every opportunity. That they even thought Harmony Gold wouldn't is enough to rob me of any sympathy I might otherwise feel towards their plight. Oh its gets better... I e-mailed Rhade about his error expecting to hear it was an honest goof and he'd misremembered. Somehow, I guess I shouldn't be surprised that he actually believes the provably-wrong tripe he wrote is factual, and started telling me that I was completely wrong. Among other things, he insisted that Studio Nue was "bought and absorbed" by Big West, that the "legal briefs" available on the web say that Tatsunoko was given the rights to the intellectual property of the series and that Big West only owns the rights to the story. He also repeated his claim that Macross is being kept out of the states because Harmony Gold owns the distribution rights to the entire franchise, rather than that it's being kept out by a trademark Harmony Gold filed for after the legal dispute started. He then fired back with this amusing little number: Now there's a butthurt Robotech fan who wants to keep living in a fairy-tale world. Of course, this is by the same guy who spent about six pages in the Robotech.com Lounge spinning an increasingly ridiculous yarn rather than admit that he'd made a mistake when he claimed that there was a dangerous new computer virus in circulation, which, when researched, turned out to be a five year old low-threat trojan horse. When confronted with this fact, he told everyone that it was a new variant, that the reason he knew about it before even Symantec and McAfee did was because he'd gotten the information through inside channels from back before he quit his job as a highly-paid security expert for Microsoft to become a hotel manager. (If your bullshit detector isn't redlining yet, wait a sec) When several people called "Bullshit" on that, he also claimed to be working a side job (or jobs) as a freelance viral code analyst for Microsoft, Symantec, and McAfee (all at the same time), and that they sent him viral code for analysis so he could develop countermeasures for it. Compared to that, this latest line from him really doesn't seem that bad by comparison. EDIT: I looked up Rhade's user account here. It looks like he's telling the truth when he claims he does have an account here, though he only used it for about a month after registering back in August '04. No posts, no profile views.

Another ignorant Robotech fan spews bullshit about a subject he doesn't understand... business as usual. I e-mailed the poor chap being misled by Rhade with the facts of the matter in simple, easy-to-understand terms, and also fired an e-mail off to Rhade pointing out where he went wrong and why. The fewer people misled by tripe like that, the better...

Let's not forget that they also captured, brainwashed, and integrated soldiers from the 35th Colony Fleet (Macross-5) in the middle of their conflict with the 37th Colony Fleet (Macross 7).

's probably why nobody really bothers trying to interview ADR directors and all but the most prolific and popular English voice actors. As far as having people care about their work, about the best they can hope for is a special feature on the DVD that covers the dubbing process like they had on the Excel Saga DVDs. Back in the 80's, Macek seemed rather upfront about the cosmetic nature of his "creative influence" in the editing process which shat Robotech into the world. I don't think he really started trying to sell himself as Robotech's "visionary creator" and an industry figure to rival Gene Roddenberry and George Lucas until after Robotech: the Untold Story flopped during its test screening and Robotech II: the Sentinels fell apart in early production. My guess would be he started trying to make himself out to be a visionary, industry-redefining figure as a way of reminding everyone he hadn't royally farted up when he "created" the "original 85" and to get people to come to the convention panels so they could market the decidedly lackluster products that kept the franchise afloat between failed comeback attempts. I don't think he started to believe it for himself until after the Robotech fans at the time started to buy into it. Of course, by now he's thoroughly invested in the myth of his own creative genius after decades spent lying about his role in the production process, exaggerating his own importance, and trying to minimize the role the original Japanese creators and their stories played. Essentially, he's deluded himself into believing he's the second coming of Gene Roddenberry.

Assuming they're dead set on doing their interviews in the form of a live or pre-recorded podcast, their options are, for all practical purposes, limited to just those people involved in the western anime distribution industry. That said, they're kind of pissing into the wind no matter who they interview because none of the available industry figures are involved in the creative process. They're just packaging someone else's product for distribution, and that doesn't really give them a broad appeal. Interviewing the distribution industry executives would be like interviewing the owner of a company that prints movie posters about the content of the movie. Similarly, the English voice actors have rather limited appeal, since they also have no real input in the creative process and their work is generally regarded as somewhere between "not all that important" and "a genuine hindrance to enjoyment of the show". Pretty much the only reason Carl Macek stands out in this entirely inauspicious crowd is that he claims to have, at one point in his career, been a "creator" rather than just a "editor" or "distributor". It's credit that he doesn't deserve, but because he's been distorting the truth and exaggerating his involvement in the production of Robotech and his importance in the early years of the anime industry for so long that some people actually believe his bullshit now, he's the only person they can get who speaks English and has even a halfway-credible claim of having a creative role in the industry.

Well, yeah... you're going to run into trolling on 4chan. Let's be realistic, trolling is to 4chan what monumental ignorance is to Robotech.com. It's the proverbial bread and butter of most parts of the community. Of course you're going to see some defense of Robotech every now and again, but you have to remember that in almost any case where someone starts posting inflammatory remarks about a controversial topic like Robotech, easily half or more of the "defenders" of the show are doing it just to get a rise out of everyone else and don't actually believe the stuff they're saying. /m/ is usually a more reasonable board than the rest of 4chan, but it does have a few commonly held pet peeves that trolls play on for the hell of it... bringing up Robotech in a Macross thread is one of the most popular, and is practically guaranteed to get people raging.

Soooo... tell them to keep doing what they've already been doing for a while now and take time out to raise Macross's rating in the process? Not exactly a tall order. After all, mentioning Robotech as something other than complete and utter shite on /m/ is a great way to get chewed out and accused of being a troll.

Don't tell me you're naive enough to think it's by coincidence that every time they're interviewed by professionals nothing negative ever comes up, and that every interview conducted by fans is so respectful it borders on hagiography. It's pretty much a given that Harmony Gold carefully vets their potential interviewers to make sure the professionals won't ask any awkward questions and the fans are drinking the kool-aid and/or will be so in awe of being recognized that they won't do anything but heap praise on their guests.

Already been mentioned... Okay... spellcheck is your friend. Use it. As far as integrating energy converting armor and gravity control systems into the rounds themselves... that's just wasteful. Increasing the mass after the projectile has already left the barrel is just a waste that will decrease the effective range in atmosphere, causing accuracy to suffer accordingly. Integrating an energy converting armor system into each slug is just plain wasteful, since each slug would need a dedicated internal power unit to keep the ECE system running long enough for the round to reach the target. When the same general results can easily be achieved by less costly and complex means by just using a denser material in the project, what's the bloody point? Um... what? Please don't use terms you don't understand. The whole point of frangible bullets is that they disintegrate on impact to minimize penetration. Rather pointless, actually... since after leaving the area of gravity control system's effect the slug would return to its normal mass, which in a moderate gravity environment like a planetary atmosphere would shorten the effective range and impair accuracy... making the whole system rather pointless. Eh? Are you sure you're watching the same Macross the rest of us are? Just a cursory glance at the first dozen or so episodes of Macross 7 would seem to be an astonishingly strong argument to the contrary, with fighters on both sides standing up to direct missiles hits and gunpod fire without being destroyed on several occasions. Macross Zero is a somewhat different story, since the VF-0 and SV-51 are both powered by overtuned turbofan jet engines instead of the thermonuclear reaction engines used on VF-1 and every fighter than followed it. It should go without saying that as energy converting armor technology improved, so too did the technology used to penetrate that extra layer of defense. As Sketchley pointed out, even the GU-11 had penetrating energy converting armor as a factor in its design.

It's certainly an interesting thought... but on the few occasions where the ammunition itself is clearly visible, it doesn't look much different from modern 30mm AP rounds. It's possible they found a more efficient propellant formulation for greater muzzle velocities, or one with a longer shelf life, but the cartridge design itself doesn't seem to have changed much. Well... not quite the same idea. I wasn't really factoring in anything like energy converting armor, since I'm somewhat more fond of the Macross II-era stuff where that particular technology doesn't exist and both "space metal" and "hypercarbon" are just astonishingly strong, light super materials similar to Mobile Suit Gundam's Luna Titanium (aka Gundarium). I'd imagine adding externally powered energy converting armor or an internal system to the gun pod would just make things more complicated and maintenance intensive... Of course, that's not to say the idea is without merit. I can definitely see potential applications for large, semi-fixed guns like a starship-scale railgun or the main cannons of a Monster destroid or the VB-6 Konig Monster. It would probably be a huge asset for the Konig Monster, reducing barrel wear on its four railguns and allowing them to stand up better under the stresses of transformation... and if memory serves at least part of the weapon is also used in the propulsion system too.

Rather a lot, I'm afraid... I was rather lucky when I first saw Macross 7. At the time, I was dating someone who was fluent in Japanese, so she made catching all the little jokes a hell of a lot easier, and got me started learning the language too. The experience I got back then is certainly making my re-watch of Macross with the remastered edition MKVs a lot easier. Just got started re-watching the series from the beginning (I know, slowpoke.jpg) the other day. It took a while to get the space cleared to store all 20gB or so of it.. just started into episode 15 right now. Definitely not my cup of tea, but it's a lot less annoying than I remember it being... probably because I'm no longer entirely dependent on Central Anime's spotty subtitles. All the same, I'm determined to watch the whole damn thing and reassess my opinion of it accordingly, and I still had a few "f*** yeah" moments with Diamond Force, Gamlin, and with Milia's VF-1J.

Especially since they have the benefit of overtechnology-derived super-strong materials and the like... which probably have more widespread benefits than just the projectile itself. Use of "space metal" or "hypercarbon" in the construction could have all kinds of benefits, like reducing the weapon's overall weight, increasing overall durability, and making the barrels less prone to wear and overheating. Granted, but you have to remember that if you get a more massive projectile moving at that same velocity it'll impart more energy to the target. There are a number of factors that can be manipulated to achieve the desired result, it's just a matter of what's the most efficient for what you're trying to accomplish. Was it? I could've sworn there was one that was bigger. That aside, it would make a fair bit of sense for the VF-25's 58mm GU-17A to have been spec'd with the Vajra in mind, since the Frontier's mission was, at least according to Kawamori, always going to be one where they encountered the Vajra while searching for fold quartz. EDIT: Yeah, there is... but not by much. The VA-3C's GA-22 gun pod is 60mm, the VF-25's GU-17A is 58mm.

Not really necessary, the point I was getting at there is that rather than use the wing root guns as a matter of course, the VF-25 pilots almost invariably attack with the ventrally-mounted gun pod. It would make some small measure of sense in the early parts of the series, but after everything's upgraded to MDE spec, it would make sense to use the wing root guns for fighter mode attacks. None of the other fighters equipped with similar forward-facing guns hesitate to use them. IMO, the VF-11's lack of a forward facing gun is a marked shortcoming of the design, and burning through your heaviest gun's ammo when there are readily available alternatives just doesn't make sense.

Well, we can't really say anything as to the propellant used, since nobody ever really seems to talk about it, but the animation seems to show that, even as late as 2040 the cartridge cases look essentially identical to those of modern rotary cannon ammunition of similar caliber. 's okay... it's not my error anyway. If you're looking for someone to blame for that particularly asinine goof you can start with the Japanese writers, Macross Compendium, and so on... they all list the gunpod as "cartridge-less". It's likely just a screwball terminology goof from someone who wasn't terribly familiar with firearms and they likely meant caseless ammunition, though they could have meant that it used some other kind of propulsive force instead of standard chemical propellants, thus omitting the cartridge case, propellant, and primer all in one go. In the interest of accuracy, I opted not to inject my own interpretation into the description, and instead used the description verbatim. About all we've gotten on that note so far have been two different cutaways of the GU-11... the official one in various sources, and a new, non-canon one in the VF-1 Valkyrie Master File. It's likely another non-canon gunpod cutaway will appear in the forthcoming VF-19 Excalibur Master File.

I wouldn't really call those in-jokes, since they're pretty bloody obvious and they're not really plays on words or anything like that, nice references to real-world aviation, but not really jokes per se. The ones Sketchley mentioned, and the new data on the manufacturers of the VF-22's gunpod(s) are more in line with plays on words... Oh you're not the only one... I'm an engineer by nature, so meticulous exactitude is right up my alley. Granted, that's true... I've never run across anything that suggested the Project Super Nova goals included increasing the lethality of the fighter's weapons, though they did test at least one new weapons package during the contest. All the same, there's no guarantee that the manufacturer opted for the same caliber as the VF-11's gunpod for convenience's sake either. It could be that they decided to follow on from the 40mm ammo used by the VF-17s already in service too. Honestly, I don't think we can really go so far as to call the GU-15 or GV-17L inferior to previous models of gun pod. In terms of effectiveness, we have no real frame of reference for comparison except for the action we see in Macross 7, and that doesn't really help much since the story is much more interested in flattering Basara's colossal vanity and showcasing the godawful Sound Force custom Valkyries. On one or two occasions, we get to see what the VF-11 can do with a capable pilot at the stick, and it's quite impressive, but it's not any more impressive than what those same pilots do with their VF-17s, or what we later see done with the VF-19F/S and VF-22S when those are handed over into the care of ace pilots. As we would expect, the damage they inflict varies with the needs of the plot... sometimes glancing off the armor of the enemy planes like a gentle rain, and sometimes shredding them into metallic confetti. Since you brought it up... the VF-11's gun pod is much more important to its combat effectiveness than the gun pods of the VF-19 and VF-22, because unlike those AVFs it lacks any other forward-facing guns. The VF-19 and VF-22 will both, theoretically, be able to make their gun pod ammo last much longer by using their forward-facing integrated guns in a dogfight (something Alto and the other VF-25 pilots seem to mysteriously forget they have on their VF-25s). At the very least, the VF-19S's secondary head lasers look like they're on rotating mounts (similar in appearance to those on the VF-25) and may be able to turn in battroid mode. About the only case that could be made for the superiority of the 30mm gun pod on the VF-11 would've been the anti-armor bayonet, and that got removed as a cost-saving budget cut on the C variant. Actually, the feed system in the GU-11 was helical, not a drum or a belt. It's a very space-efficient system, and it could potentially be done as a half-helix too for the removable magazines of the later generations of gun pods. Insofar as the magazine itself, the animation and line art indicates it is more or less exactly like it is on the toy, with the magazine as that removable long, slim piece of semi-circular metal that fits right over the barrel assembly. Basically, it is "just that shell", which is why I suggested a maximum of 300 rounds as a little more than half the capacity of the internal helical feed on its nearest neighbor in caliber (the 35mm GPU-9 on the VF-0). The magazines on the VF-17's MC-17A and the VF-19's GU-15 appear to use a similar, if not identical, magazine orientation. Incidentally, the VF-17's line art does show the removable magazine separate from the gun pod itself. You can see it for yourself here, image courtesy of Mr. March's Macross Mecha Manual. It's in the bottom left corner of the image.

Yeah, it is a bit disappointing that the writers of Macross Chronicle haven't taken advantage of the opportunity to sort out some of the areas where more detail would've been helpful, but it's still an incredibly useful condensation of the material that was already out there and spread across dozens of different publications. I wasn't expecting much, since going into minute and obsessive detail about the capabilities of a giant robot like Kawamori did with the VF-1 Valkyrie seems to be a rare occurrence in mecha anime. Sure, we can roll with that. Logistically speaking, since the VF-19 was, at least on paper, intended to replace the U.N. Spacy's aging fleet of VF-11's, I don't think they would've felt themselves committed to having the two fighters share the ammunition. It would make a bit of sense to use existing ammo stocks to ease the transition as much as possible, but it's far from being a logistical necessity since at least one fleet out there (37th Colony - Macross 7) already had to stock three different calibers of ammunition, maybe more, for its forces. (VF-11C's 30mm, VA-3's 60mm, VF-17's 40mm, poss. 55mm if the VF-4s we see in M7T carry the GU-11 as some sources say they can, etc.) Guld's YF-21 is, canonically, using a different TYPE of ammunition, if not a different caliber entirely. It would make a certain amount of sense for the two prototypes to have similar calibers to ease the comparison, but Guld's ammo was cartridge-less, whereas Isamu's wasn't... so it's no guarantee they're both using the same size of round either. In terms of how much ammo they hold, IMO the RPG sites out there tend to dramatically overestimate the capacity of their magazines. Perhaps the most helpful way to benchmark ammo capacity is to compare the magazine size to that of the GPU-9's internal helical feed and its 550 35mm rounds. That said, just going on magazine size and the need for some kind of machinery in the feed system itself, I'd put an arbitrary maximum of somewhere around 300 rounds for anything with a removable magazine, with 200-250 being much more likely, especially for higher-caliber examples like the VF-17's MC-17A. The internal feed on the GV-17L, I would say probably sports roughly 2x that of the average magazine, which would explain the necessity to carry two of them to match or exceed the ammo capacity of the units carrying gun pods with removable magazines. That, of course, is all arch speculation on my part. 'kay... Howard/GE and Hughes/GE? Am I reading too much into this, or is there a rather obvious aviation in-joke here?

Ah, another new milestone in the never-ending production process of Robotech Genesis... a fan project trapped forever in a bizarre status known as "coming soon".

Yeah, I figured it was a transposition error or something along those lines... *shrug* Apart from that 180-round figure appearing once in Chronicle, the only other recent source I can recall mentioning it as being 180 instead of 200 was the Master File, which is pretty weak as a source of info due to all the material borrowed whole-cloth from the old MAT book. The 200 round figure is the safer of the two by far, even if the cutaway in the VF-1 master file is damn pretty. I think one of the games might've also put 180 down as the number of rounds in the gunpod, but I forget which. My bad. At the time I wrote my post, my Chronicle sheets were spread all over hell while I reorganized them into the recommended order and started putting stuff into binder 5. Doesn't help that the two gunpods are identical in general appearance.

No such luck, I'm afraid... though Hermann2 (the guy who "likes" Lynn Kyle too much) is a swell guy and a very helpful fellow... I'm astonished he hasn't been banned for being a closet Macross II fan. Indeed, the funny part is that the Robotech version (Eli Anatole Leonard) is actually a much toned-down version of the borderline caricature that was Southern Cross's Claude Leon.

Nope. Chronicle mistakenly labeled it as the GU-15 or something along those lines in one of the VF-11 sheets, but that's clearly not right because the GU-15 is what the VF-19 carries. Nothing thus far has been provided except the number of barrels the gunpod has (6), caliber (30mm), and the fact that the bayonet was axed from later models as a cost saving move. Not retconned, I don't think... seems more like a typo, and the other source (Master File) citing it is non-canon... so it's a gray area. In terms of which is correct, I would stick with 200 as it's been the VF-1's ammo load since '82. Actually, the MC-17A gatling cannon used on the VF-17 and VF-171 has only 7 barrels, not 8. No notes on ammo capacity. EDIT: Kudos to Robelwell202 for spotting an error on my part... the VF-171's gunpod has 8 barrels, and is presumably the GU-14B. The other gunpod mentioned for the VF-171 is the MC-17C multipurpose gunpod, which likely retains the 7-barrel configuration of its predecessor. If memory serves, Chronicle does identify them differently... one is, I think, the BP-14D, which is cited as a multipurpose gunpod (the same sort of citation given to the MC-17A used by the VF-17), whereas the GV-17L used by the YF-21 and presumably Max and Milia's VF-22S's is listed as a cartridge-less gunpod. EDIT: Another goofball mistake on my part spotted, the gunpod on Gamlin's VF-22S is a BP-14D, not GU-14B. No.

To be honest, if you were expecting a group like the Disciples of Leonard to have a logical rationale for their behavior, I'd say you're probably expecting too much from them. On "paper", the Disciples of Leonard are a character fan club for the handful of mutants who thought the Masters Saga was good television. In practice, their behavior is more in line with that of the Robotech lunatic fringe, in that they actively seek to "defend" the Masters Saga from perfectly legitimate criticism and other people's opinions. Don't forget Leonard's other merits... like his rabid xenophobia, his weak grasp of tactics, and his frequent attempts to get everyone on his staff who isn't a "yes man" killed by assigning them to command suicide missions.

And that, children, is why I'm STILL Public Enemy No.1 in the eyes of the Robotech lunatic fringe. I corrupt good, wholesome, ignorant Robotech fans into godless, evil Macross fans with my insidious knowledge and diabolical use of logic and facts. MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Now if anyone needs me, I'll be supervising my witless minions while they dig a moat around my doom castle to store the excess magma that we were left with after boring a hole into the Earth's core to cause the earthquakes in Haiti. Wishing no ill to the few members of the Disciples of Leonard I do have regular contact with and respect, there are a fair few members of that group who do fit your description pretty well. I'm reminded all too vividly of how one of them, who works as a hotel manager, once tried to convince me he was a freelance programmer working on antivirus solutions for Microsoft, Symantec, and McAfee all at the same time while attempting to warn everyone about a new virus he claimed he'd been warned about via insider connections that turned out to be a four-year old low-threat trojan that didn't have any of the behaviors he identified. Just from what I've seen personally, the fan-group known as the Disciples of Leonard seems to be a catch-all group for those Robotech fans who, for whatever reason (masochism), though that the Masters Saga was pretty good and that the criticisms leveled at the Army of the Southern Cross are generally unwarranted or unduly harsh. They like to deflect the blame for the ASC's failures to fan-favorite Rick Hunter by citing a scene from the Sentinels "movie" wherein Commander Leonard shouts at Dr. Lang and Rick Hunter in the middle of a press conference, claiming that the Earth's defenses were being stripped bare to supply the REF. The comics kind of take the piss out of him on this note, having him launch into hyperbole about how he couldn't defend the Earth against an army of ducks and bunnies with the forces he had left. As it stands, I don't think any of the DOL people have taken the time to comment on the way their hero is portrayed as both an obstructive military bureaucrat and an Anti-UN operative working to bring down the United Earth Government from within in Tommy Yune's From the Stars miniseries. It seems a safe bet that they probably consider it somewhere between insulting and HERESY! One of the areas wherein our favorite problem child Pizza the Hutt was pretty much spot on is that, at least while I was still active on RT.com, the Disciples of Leonard had a REALLY bad reputation among the fans. In my experience, they were easily enough to get along with, and actually numbered among the more reasonable members of the active fandom, provided you didn't criticize anything related to the Masters Saga. If someone criticized Leonard or the ASC, it was pretty much a given that the handful of active DOL members would be all over the thread like a starving kid at an all-you-can-eat buffet. Their usual MO is to mob the thread with an organized campaign to defend their favorite saga, which more often than not derailed the thread entirely, and if the OP didn't quickly recant his position to shut them up, could quickly descend into little more than premeditated harassment. It certainly doesn't help that a few of their most vocal members are the sort of BBS user that desperately wants to be a moderator and can't comprehend why nobody listens to them when they try to scold other members for perceived Terms of Use violations. Oh, you're entirely right about that. It looks like they pissed off someone enough to take a Khyron_Prime style cheap shot at them on his private website that nobody visits or gives a poo about. Dunno the guy responsible for the site, but I'd wager he's probably someone who's been banned from Robotech.com since posting it. See the above for my take on the whole Disciples of Leonard business.

Bah, you haven't been a "real" Robotech fan for ages... you dared to willingly expose yourself to DYRL and other Macross instead of bashing them without having ever seen them like so many Robotech fans are wont to do these days. For the records, thus far nobody has been able to turn up any kind of evidence that he was ever involved in the actual work on that C&C4 mod project. He's one of them, yeah...

Considering the content of some of their past products and some of their more recent creative decisions, Harmony Gold's insistence that all things Robotech be kept as kid-friendly as humanly possible just comes off as downright bizarre. It really makes you wonder if their right hand doesn't know what their left hand is doing, or if they're just in denial now that the overwhelming majority of Robotech fans old enough to buy their own liquor. It's one thing to want to keep your brand family-friendly, but it's entirely another to say that and then turn around and sell your next product on the basis of how every woman in it is proportioned like a bong with two watermelons nailed to it, wears a "uniform" that looks like it came out of an aerosol can, and has enough cleavage on display to hide a small starship in. A little on the hypocritical side, isn't is? Especially after they put a lot of time, money, and effort into remastering the "original series", reinserting all the nudity and sexual innuendo they'd originally edited out... Amusingly enough, even that's rather tame compared to the content of the old Robotech novels and comics, which occasionally flirted with things like foul language, gory death, and graphic depictions of sex. Hell, the old Robotech II: the Sentinels comics showed Max bringing a stripper to Rick's bachelor party, showing the aftermath of Rick and Lisa consummating their marriage and taking a shower together, accusing Rick of cheating on Lisa with Minmay, having Lynn Minmay dress like a whore and entertain herself by sleeping around (incl. with Jonathan Wolfe, a married man), and a female saboteur who had sex with soldiers for supplies and then murdered them... and that's just the tip of the iceberg (all but the last item are in Book 1 of 4).

I can already hear Maverick's frantic screams of "HERESY!".