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Owww... brain hurting... Anyway, I still don't understand why Robotech fans have such a difficult time accepting that the 1,210m long SDF-1 could accommodate 86,000 people in reasonable conditions when they readily and unquestioningly accept numbers that make that look positively conservative by comparison: SDF-1 Macross Length: 1,210m Capacity: 86,000 SDF-3 Pioneer (Post-Refit) Length: 1,240m (counting fins) / approx. 1,200m (w/o fins) Capacity: 120,000 SDF-4 Liberator (fmrly. Izumo) Length: 1,305m Capacity: 180,000 Ark Angel-class Colony Ship Length: 2,140m (w/o antennae and fins) Capacity: 750,000 On what grounds are they taking issue with the SDF-1 when willingly accept that there are ships that are only marginally larger that accommodate as many as 100,000 more people with no problems, or for that matter a ship barely twice the SDF-1's size that accommodates nearly nine times the number of people the SDF-1 can? Did they subcontract all of their shipbuilding out to the Time Lords? Not directly, no... he's still supporting lil' dougie's bitching and openly endorsing dougie's behavior.
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For me, seeing Max and Milia reverse roles like that always felt a bit unnatural... like the writers got the character descriptions backwards when they started work on the series. Well, the VF-14 (and presumably its derivatives) were supposedly selected for their excellent performance in space, and thus might be at a slight disadvantage dogfighting against a fighter designed (primarily) for atmospheric combat.
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Well now, that's a statement that depends entirely on your definition of "causing trouble", isn't it? One would think that his infrequent attempts to derail this thread by presenting the same ignorant, provably-wrong garbage over and over again in his usual illiterate manner is pretty much the textbook definition of trolling. He can't possibly expect us to take anything he says seriously, so what other explanation does that leave besides malicious intent? There's also his well-known habit of coming here to spy on this and other threads for "dissident behavior" so he can then target those people for bans if they're on sites where he has authority. His activities here aren't any less malicious than they are elsewhere, they're just less blatant. Honestly, I don't think a cordial manner is any excuse for willfully and repeatedly spreading malicious misinformation, and cyber-stalking and trolling anyone who calls you out on it. You've never been in direct conflict with him over anything like that... you've been taking kind of a backhanded approach to needling him (and PTH), which he doesn't seem to fully comprehend. Of course, he's so carried away with delusions of his own cleverness for getting rid of most of the dissenting voices in his Orwellian Robotech fanboy world that he'd probably miss direct insults made right under his nose so long as they didn't call into question his credibility or authority. MEMO pays the bills, but SIGHUP is supposedly the one who does most of the actual work necessary to keep the site running. SIGHUP also doesn't seem to care, as he ignored pretty much every report of Bendo and PTH's harassment. MEMO gets most things his way there anyway, because SIGHUP doesn't seem to care. The only things that seemed to get SIGHUP moving were when the troublemakers went after him personally like PTH did, or when a good half-dozen of the site's most active members were barraging him with complaints.
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Well, the record for previous incarnations of this thread is 67 pages, so we're making pretty good progress on that front, albeit unintentionally.
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"Cute" definitely isn't a word I would use for it, though "obnoxious" certainly fits the bill. I admit there is a certain amount of entertainment value in watching them flail around like the frothy-mouthed fanatics they are while they try desperately to justify their love of Robotech and convince us the franchise isn't completely bereft of redeeming merits that can't be boiled down to either keeping their nostalgia blinders on 24/7, ignorance of what quality anime is like, or simply being too thick to realize Robotech is imitation-brand garbage and Harmony Gold is just playing them for suckers. Really, it's easy to see why the Robotech fans who come here don't usually last very long. About half of them are people like dougbendo, Maverick_LSC, and MEMO1DOMINION, who are just looking to troll and stir up some drama so they can pretend they actually matter. In the remaining half, you've got the Robotech fans who come here out of the misguided belief that our criticisms of Harmony Gold and Robotech are motivated by ignorance, and that they just need to enlighten us; the fans who honestly can't tell the difference and think Robotech is welcome here; the fans who think this is a hideaway for Robotech fans who've been banned from Robotech.com; and the fans who're vaguely curious about this Macross thing they've heard about and may or may not find something of interest to keep them here. Well, it may be that some of them aren't coming here specifically looking for trouble, and are merely stumbling across this thread while looking for something familiar to talk about to ease their transition to a new community. They then get up in arms after they see that the "HG and Robotech Debates" thread isn't an open chat about Robotech, but rather vocal criticism of Robotech in varying degrees of harshness... some of which they might, in their Harmony Gold-induced ignorance, think is unwarranted or simply untrue. Which, of course, could potentially turn otherwise curious Robotech fans into the frothy-mouthed nutjobs we encounter on occasion. Of course, that's all idle speculation on my part, since I can't recall anyone ever coming here and thinking that the HG and Robotech Debates thread was for something other than criticism and talk about the legal debate. Well, dougbendo does live in a fantasy world... he's made that abundantly clear on his podcast, between threats of violence aimed at me, JT, Robelwell202, and his girlfriend... and the occasional threat that he'll pee on someone. Honestly, I think you give MEMO far more credit than he deserves. An apeface who deliberately attempts to mislead people and tells malicious lies in a cordial manner is still a malicious liar and an apeface. Putting a turd in a chocolate box will not make it edible or do anything to diminish the stench.
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Validity of the Super Long Range Emigration Strategy
Seto Kaiba replied to Uxi's topic in Movies and TV Series
This is another unsupported assumption put up as fact... in this case, drawing conclusions about the extent to which Zolan culture and entertainment preferences have been affected by prolonged exposure to Earth's culture using a impractically small sample population. We can't draw any rational inferences about the way human culture has influenced Zolans, since Macross Dynamite 7's story only involves a handful of Zolans directly... many of whom (the Zola Patrol) use human overtechnology out of simple necessity. We only see a handful of Zolan civilians, and Basara only interacts closely with Lawrence and the Hoyly family, and as such it would be unwise to assume that their taste in names and/or entertainment are representative of the entire Zolan population. For all we know, radio dramas like "Zomeo and Zoliet" and human music like Fire Bomber are a niche market on Zola in much the same way anime and jpop are in the Americas. We could take that same assumption even farther and say that the human-sounding names some Zolans have might be the closest approximation of their actual given names to make it easier for non-Zolans to pronounce (presumably the Zolans did have their own language before they encountered human explorers), or nicknames they adopted after humans had difficulty pronouncing their given names. After all, there's a limit to the number of different noises the human(oid) mouth can make... Which may or may not be originally Zolan technology... like the adhesive-firing gun pods carried by their secondhand VF-5000s, they may be simply be a Zolan adaptation or modification of something humanity developed. Obviously the human security forces, who deal not only with criminals but also with terrorists and the like, would probably find using stun beam weapons inadequate in much the same way that some police complain about the inconsistent effectiveness and unreliability of non-lethal technologies like the beanbag gun, rubber bullet, and taser. The Zolan security forces appear to be pretty committed to taking a non-lethal approach to crime, which would probably prompt them to adopt something like that even if it wasn't entirely effective. It is also entirely possible that they used portable sound-energy detection gear to track him down... they did it once before in the Macross 7 "movie". -
Eh... there's a world of difference between just being preached at by the Robotech die-hards who come here looking for trouble and actively trying to engage them in discussion. Why bother wasting our time taking them seriously when they can't even form a cogent argument?
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Some are just looking for a fight. Others are so wrapped up in self-delusion that they honestly think they can change our minds and instill us with hope for Robotech's future by telling us all how wrong we are to think Macross is the better and more successful show. Isn't that Tom Bateman's anti-HG shindig? I remember he was waxing poetic about how he was going to throw a big private 25th anniversary party, get as much of the actual talent involved as he could, and then leave Steve, Tommy, and the other Harmony Gold mooks to flap in the wind. Hmmm... turns out it isn't the event Tom Bateman was talking about doing last year. I wonder what became of the plans for that? Still, I can't see anyone other than the most die-hard fans wanting to spend $70 for little more than dinner and a panel discussion with the cast. An event like this would've been an ideal platform to make the big announcements about the future of Robotech (assuming, of course, that HG is holding out... unlikely, but still possible) and try to promote new material instead of the endless low-key convention panels that seem dedicated to fluffing Carl and Tommy's egos. It doesn't surprise me that an event like this isn't Harmony Gold's doing though...
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The YF-19 No.2 prototype did support internal munitions pallets. Isamu discharges a pair of fairly large missiles from them during his dogfight with Guld over Earth's surface in the Macross Plus OVA. Also, the production model VF-19F/S was shown to support at least one pair of wing-mounted hardpoints for carrying reaction weapons (in episode 44 of Macross 7), so it's possible they could be mounted there as well.
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Validity of the Super Long Range Emigration Strategy
Seto Kaiba replied to Uxi's topic in Movies and TV Series
Yeah, I'll second that motion too... Yes, that would leave a rather substantial hole in your theory... Well, the pronunciation used by the commander of Macross-5 in the series itself (ep23 "Sound Force") is definitely "Lux" rather than "Rax". It would make a good deal more sense too, since "Lux" is the Latin word for "Light", and "Rax" is the name of an Austrian mountain range containing Hell Valley and a regional fast food chain based in the American midwest, neither of which is a particularly inspiring thing to name a newly colonized planet after. -
Validity of the Super Long Range Emigration Strategy
Seto Kaiba replied to Uxi's topic in Movies and TV Series
Okay... you do realize that unused concept art is non-canon, right? It means nothing. Considering the Protoculture relics scattered on the Vajra homeworld are designs similar to the birdhuman sculptures found during the Mayan island conflict back in 2008, the logical assumption is that biotechnological constructs like the birdhuman are the result of emulating the Vajra. Since the tangible links to Zentradi mecha don't exist outside of non-canon early concept art, it's unwise to infer a link there... Dubious at best... as I said before, the preliminary design art isn't canon and thus forming a theory around it is unwise. I would say that the design similarities between the Stage 2 Vajra and the Regult are only very general things like the knee joint being reverse-jointed. Otherwise, the Stage 2 Vajra has much more in common with the Big Zam than with the Regult. Likewise, the only commonality between the design of the Glaug and the adult (big red) Vajra is that they have a large beam gun mounted up top. Otherwise they couldn't be more different. -
Generally speaking, when you see someone making a serious attempt to defend Carl Macek's artistic integrity and the quality of his work it's a pretty good sign that hilarity is about to ensue. Y'know, I had always suspected that Robotech's Minmei was a member of an alien race cursed with the psychic power to turn people into masochists and an irrational compulsion to sing... it's nice to know I'm no longer the sole proponent of that theory. I'd welcome you to MacrossWorld, but since you're already well aware I'm not terribly fond of you for standing by and letting the idiot brigade overrun what may very well have been the last bastion of common sense and impartiality in the Robotech fandom, I won't waste your time with insincere pleasantries. Ah, my bad... of course the inherent hilarity in RobotechX plugging a podcast that is overwhelming critical of exactly the kind of overly-political mess you've allowed the site to become no doubt has your sides splitting with barely-suppressed mirth. I know I'm laughing long and hard over here. Okay, serious points for the realistic outlook... it's a welcome change from the usual course of events we follow when a Robotech fan registers here. They usually come in hard and fast with the denial and insist that all's right and well in the Robotech franchise. Like I said, Robotech's "protoculture" is an all-purpose spackle for filling plot holes of all sizes.
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So far, it doesn't look like anyone who actually matters bothered to even acknowledge the existence of Robotech on March 4th, let alone bothered to tell the rest of the world about the show's 25th anniversary. Very few fan sites even took notice and did something special for the occasion, with the sole attractions being a brief announcement from the idiot duo over on RobotechX and the "anniversarycast" on JT's Protoculture Times blog. Harmony Gold didn't even bother to put up anything about the anniversary on Robotech.com's front page. It's certainly possible that they're holding back on some kind of big announcement for one of the bigger conventions, but knowing them there won't be. By all accounts, the only big news this year is Carl Macek's return to Robotech after being fired a decade ago for wasting the company's money on a string of embarrassingly bad projects that all failed long before they could be released. No show of pride in having made their crapshoot franchise last this long. Not even a party for their faithful fans to celebrate the occasion. Just silence and the awkward feeling that they might've finally pushed the fans too far. Give them a little credit, some of them DO know that Harmony Gold has nothing to show for 25 years of ineptitude and failure... they're just too busy being harassed by MEMO and Maverick to crow about it. Presumably yes... Tommy did announce the existence of a sequel project several months before the announcement of the live-action movie project rolled in and put the kibosh on everything. The VAs insist that they were contracted to do three movies, and that Harmony Gold let them know things were on hiatus fairly swiftly. So presumably at one point it was going to be a serious attempt to keep the ball rolling. Wow... issues of grammar and punctuation aside, whoever wrote that needs to ditch the prescription rose-tinted glasses they've been viewing Robotech's history through. What this person is asking for is for us all to give Carl Macek the chance to not royally fart things up like he did on every Robotech sequel he worked on. No, he did not do a good job on Sentinels, he made the Japanese writers throw up their hands and say "fart this poo", then handed care of the script over to a bunch of hamhanded idiots who had only the vaguest clue of how to write sci-fi. No, he did not do a good job on the Robotech story... it's a crummy mess of plot holes and dialogue errors stuck together with copious amounts of all-purpose protoculture-brand plot spackle. For that matter, Tommy did NOT do a good job on Shadow Chronicles either... the animation would've been an embarrassment to any competent studio over a decade ago, and the writing reads like a bad Star Trek-and-Robotech crossover fanfic. So no, you ignorant buffoon whose post I can't be arsed to find, nobody can revive the "old Robotech spirit from back in the day" because it depended entirely on the audience being completely ignorant of what real anime is. There never was any great golden age of Robotech. It was immediately outshined by Transformers as soon as it came out, and never came even remotely close to being popular or iconic. Bringing Carl Macek back into the creative staff ensures one thing and one thing only... that the next Robotech sequel, whenever it comes, will fail before it ever reaches the hands of the fans. So, yes, my fellow Macross fans... let's give Carl Macek a chance... a chance to do what Tommy Yune hasn't yet managed to do: run the Robotech franchise the rest of the way into the ground and put it to rest with what little dignity it still has.
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Validity of the Super Long Range Emigration Strategy
Seto Kaiba replied to Uxi's topic in Movies and TV Series
Which isn't the rationale you were espousing before... Okay, you're half-right this time... in truth, Kariba says that his father was a whaler and that he fulfilled his wishes not by created the poaching group, but by expanding it. And posting assumptions as fact is bad practice, as is using them as supporting points while making your argument. You have, thus far, been posting stuff that is simply and demonstrably untrue, mixed with a fair bit of material that can't be supported by any currently-available source. We've been through this once recently already, with someone who posted assumptions as fact, and it didn't end well. Unfounded speculation simply has no place in a debate. If you want to make educated guesses, go right ahead... but don't just guess wildly. Oh yes, and nothing forms or moves in spirals without intervention from the Protoculture... right. Anyway, this wonderful counterargument of yours depends on another unproven assertion... namely, that the Zolans are another species that was manipulated by the Protoculture. It seems likely that they were, but there is no hard evidence of such available in the animation, and no explicit confirmation outside of it. It's the same sort of gray area as the whole "Mardook are the Protoculture" thing, where all the evidence points to it being the case, but the show's creators leave it unanswered. As such, we have no way of confirming whether or not the Protoculture ever encountered the planet Zola and/or the galactic whales. The galaxy is a mind-bogglingly huge place. Also, has there ever been explicit confirmation (in-universe) that the Glaug and/or Regult were based on the Vajra? I'm not aware of any, but then again I haven't been paying a huge amount of attention to the Macross Frontier stuff in Chronicle. Unless there has been, we can't say that's true either... the Vajra have undergone hundreds of thousands of years of guided evolution since the Protoculture encountered them... they could very well have copied some of those ideas from Zentradi mecha they encountered rather than vice-versa. -
Validity of the Super Long Range Emigration Strategy
Seto Kaiba replied to Uxi's topic in Movies and TV Series
Under normal circumstances I'd ask what the basis for this unfounded assertion was, but since I can already prove that it's not true let's skip right ahead to the nice juicy fallacies. As shown on Macross Chronicle Macross Dynamite 7 character sheet Etc. 03A "The Galactic Whale Poaching Team/Crew", Kariba's crew includes at least one Zolan. Of course, even if he didn't have Zolans in his crew too, that would be no guarantee of his parentage without independent corroboration from dialogue or observable physical traits. In short, Kariba is most likely human not because his crew is mostly human, but rather because he lacks the distinguishing characteristics endemic to Zolans, Zentradi, and human hybrids. Okay, so pure speculation based loosely on a single line of dialogue about Kariba's father, assumptions based on god alone knows what, a faulty comparison to boot... it's a fallacy hat trick! Because Macross Dynamite 7 doesn't delve into the motivations of Kariba's father (or, in fact, depict him at all), we can't make any definitive statement about how his father viewed the space whales, so let's avoid projecting our own assumptions onto it please. The last thing we need is for someone to take those unfounded assumptions and run with them... we'd end up with a repeat of the Shaloom situation. Insofar as how most people view them, that seems to be rather a projection of your own views onto it again, as Kariba seems to be a pretty transparent Captain Ahab... right down to his white whale fixation. As for the Vajra, have you already forgotten that the U.N. Spacy kept the existence of the Vajra a secret ever since their first encounter with them in 2040? They wouldn't enjoy the support of the tree-hugging environmentalists because their very existence was kept secret, and let's face it... they're not above shooting back when someone starts giving them crap. A series of interdependent, unfounded assumptions. Another unfounded assumption. We have no way of knowing how the Protoculture regarded the space whales, if they even encountered them at all. Not necessarily an indication of common genetic tampering. It could be a simple case of convergent evolution. Note that the existing accounts don't mention the Protoculture dicking around with any of the local wildlife except those they were angling to make into sub-Protoculture species. So, of course, this asserted connection may very well be nothing of the sort. Considering that fold quartz was considered revolutionary in its ability to allow folding through fold faults, I don't think so. If the U.N. had such a valuable resource sitting right under their noses, they would've exploited it by now. It's certainly possible, though it seems somehow unlikely, since that would have to entail a full-blood Zentradi mating with a human-Zolan hybrid, and depending on when Zola was discovered that could potentially be problematic. We also have to remember that Michael's pointy ears are the result of mixing blood from one species that's got spock ears and one that's full blown space elf. -
Oh well, ask a silly question... expect a silly answer.
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Looking for a piece of rare VF-17 line art
Seto Kaiba replied to Graham's topic in Movies and TV Series
By all means, stay away from the Macross II prequel games then... those borrow rather more heavily from Mobile Suit Gundam than that screen capture does, what with funnels-equipped VF-4s, big honking beam rifles, etc. -
But... but... what is the hyperdrive leaking? ... ... ... Midichlorians? Well, the Protoculture Times is doing (or maybe has done by now) a special "anniversarycast", and of course RobotechX had some kind of announcement of the anniversary, but did nothing other than plug the Harmony Gold convention panels. Tho since RTX is basically RT.com Lite, I don't think it counts... particularly since it's run by the Harmony Gold thought police. That isn't new... that's a transforming version of Mospeada's AF-03 Combat. Huh... I'd never thought of it that way before, but I suppose you're right. In the story as in real life, the Robotech defenders can't get their act together and do the job they're being paid to do. One could even go farther and interpret the doomed-from-the-beginning nature of the Pioneer mission as eerily prophetic of the futility of their attempts to make sequels to keep the franchise alive.
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Validity of the Super Long Range Emigration Strategy
Seto Kaiba replied to Uxi's topic in Movies and TV Series
Yes, but as hybrids go, his ears are still unusually pointy. Compare his ears, which come to a sharp, distinct point, with the ears of Mylene Jenius, which are distinctly and unmistakably elongated, yet are rounded at the tip. Our pirate captain has neither trait, with normal, rounded ears like every other confirmed pure-human character in Macross 7. There can be exceptions (though we haven't SEEN any), but we shouldn't rush to assume that a character is one of those exceptions unless we have good cause to. -
More importantly, why are you asking him to supply your motivations for not waiting for his response? Well, there's no denying that Steve, Tommy, and Tom wrote themselves into a corner story-wise, but several of your assertions here are simply incorrect. In practical terms, this isn't quite true. Yes, any ship or fighter equipped with a shadow device and/or synchro cannon is essentially worse than useless in combat with the Haydonites. Since all Haydonite ships and fighters are equipped with their disruptor wave technology, any shadow technology-derived systems are almost guaranteed to suffer catastrophic failure. The basic, unmodified Alpha fighter (VF/A-6H, -6I, -6Z) has no such weakness, though its guided munitions (its primary weapon) are next to useless due to the shadow field active stealth systems on Haydonite mecha. So it's not the most accurate statement in the world to say that they're useless, since they can perform adequately once their shadow tech systems are disconnected. Also not quite true... the official description of the Ark Angel-class colony fortress in The Art of Robotech: the Shadow Chronicles (on pages 116 and 117 if anyone actually gives a shit) does say that it has the "armament and armor of a battlefortress", which in context means that, had it been completed, it would have been comparable to the incredibly pathetic battleships the REF was fielding during the 3rd Robotech War. The breakdown of the completed design does show an incomplete synchro cannon system built into the bow of the ship, and clusters of gun turrets and launch bays identical to those of the Ikazuchi-class heavy carrier from Mospeada. By my count, the Ark Angel-class colony fortress has 28 gun turrets and 16 quick-launch bays, the latter of which should afford it with at least 384 combat-ready Alpha fighters under optimal conditions. Since the ship was only partially complete when it was commandeered to serve as an escape vehicle, we don't know how many (if any) of these weapons systems were even installed, let alone armed, or if the ship's fighter complement had even been delivered. All that aside, contemplating how they intend to cram 750,000 people and upwards of 350 fighters, plus all the relevant supplies, into a ship that's only 2.14km long is best left to those who are completely divorced from reality. Insofar as fuel goes, General whatshisface (Reinhardt?) did say that the REF had enough fuel stockpiled to hold them over for around a year before they'd run out completely. Of course, with Tommy's batch of fuel retcons, they'll probably just switch back to nuclear fusion and call it a day. Not necessarily... they've already done a weak cop-out with the "Super Shadow Fighter", which will probably serve them in good stead as action figure fodder if nothing else. That may very well be all they intend to do in the way of having new mecha for the remainder of the so-called "Shadow Saga". That said, Yune's original designs (Gamma fighter, Silverback) are atrocious crimes against mechanical design and best forgotten in the reeking midden that is the expanded universe of Robotech.
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No, they never really seem to get that far... the extent of their work in colonizing outer space seems to have been just plunking down a few military outposts in the outer solar system, and borrowing/renting a compound in downtown Tiresia after they chased the Invid regent's army out. Every planet they encountered that was capable of supporting life already had at least one sentient species squatting on it. Exactly what the initial rationale for this particular alteration to Mospeada's story was seems to have been lost to the ages ineptitude of Harmony Gold's staff. Either the REF expected that they'd use their magic protoculture to undo the damage after the planet was a barren wasteland, or they were working from a "better dead than enslaved" rationale and assuming that the Invid had done irreparable damage to the planet's biosphere. Not exactly an unfounded assumption either, since they changed the composition of the upper atmosphere to make it significantly more difficult for REF ships to make planetfall. Once Tommy stepped in, the rationale became a misguided belief that the neutron-s warheads were much less powerful than they actually were due to misinformation spread by the Haydonites. Assuming the REF did succeed in wiping out Earth and its millions of surviving inhabitants, that would leave only a few million humans left in the entire galaxy, almost all of them soldiers. The only survivors would've been the soldiers on Space Station Liberty, the outer solar system military bases, the military enclave in Tiresia on Tirol's surface, and the orbital drydocks where the REF fleet was retrofitted with shadow technology. Which is perhaps the most harebrained retcon of all... the "children of the shadow" remark was, in its original context, a direct implication that humans had been tainted by "the shadow of the Robotech Masters", presumably a general denunciation on the grounds that humanity would rather have destroyed their objective rather than let someone else have it... a more or less reasonable parallel to the defoliation of Optera by the Robotech Masters. As you yourself pointed out, it really was a case of finding a superficially plausible-sounding explanation for why the VF-4 didn't appear in the Masters Saga and/or New Generation. Tommy Yune tried to expound on this somewhat in the "From the Stars" comic miniseries, where the "complexity" rationale is played up considerably by having the YF-4 suffer from severe mechanical difficulties with its transformation process under combat conditions, which neatly sidesteps the need for Tommy to design a transformation and reasonable-looking battroid mode for Macross's non-transformable VF-X-4. At the same time, the early trials of the Alpha were introduced, albeit indistinctly, and explained somewhat in the extra portion of the collected volume. (The VF-X-6 Genia prototype is seen cruising past in one panel) I'd tell him to leave that sort of thing to the experts, but I don't really want to try to make sense of it either. So... par for the course then? Someone voices a rational complaint, McKeever tells them they're being unreasonable, and his moderator cheering section starts flinging feces like a bunch of amphetamine-fueled chimpanzees.
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Validity of the Super Long Range Emigration Strategy
Seto Kaiba replied to Uxi's topic in Movies and TV Series
Birla/Bilrer/etc. seems to have a great deal of pull in the New U.N. Spacy already... owed no doubt to his status as the Frontier fleet's shadow sponsor and his connections to Howard Glass's chief of staff Leon Mishima, LAI's Luca Angeloni, and Grace O'Connor, who may or may not be directly connected to General Galaxy, who sponsored the Macross Galaxy fleet. Sufficed to say, if the VF-25 was developed from the YF-24 at the behest of the Frontier government, it would make a lot of sense for the Frontier government's New U.N. Spacy garrison to conduct the initial flight testing before handing it over to SMS for field testing. Considering the source of Macross Galaxy's funding, it seems somewhat unlikely that Macross Galaxy didn't have at least informal consent from General Galaxy to develop a new fighter based on the YF-24 Evolution. Entirely plausible, yes... having been discovered early in humanity's space exploration process would account for the rather extensive cultural contamination, what with Zolan adaptations of human drama like Romeo and Juliet, their apparent love of human music, and use of human-developed overtechnology. One has to wonder exactly when those Star Mirages in the Zola Patrol's arsenal were purchased... as they were introduced in the 2020s and mass production ended in 2029. The compendium article would seem to suggest that the VF-5000T-G was either a limited production unit or a conversion done after 2029. Doubtful, IMO... our examples of Human-Zentradi and Human-Zolan hybrids share one feature in common, that being they all have pointed ears. Michael Blanc, our sole example of a Human-Zentradi-Zolan hybrid has ears that come to a somewhat more severe point than those of a Human-Zentradi hybrid, possibly a legacy of the full-blown anime elf ears Zolans have. The poacher captain Kariba's character design has rounded ears, suggesting that he is in fact a full-blood human. Considering the way the man dresses, his two-tone mohawk is probably just an extension of his atrocious dress sense. -
Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. By any rational assessment, Robotech's story doesn't have the human forces establishing anything that could honestly be called a "colony". True, the REF was supposed to scout for inhabitable worlds on their way to (and from) Tirol, but as we see in the Sentinels comics and Prelude, they never got around to it. Robotech's story has a few military installations scattered around the Sol system, including Moon Base ALuCE, Mars Base, Jupiter Base, and possibly Neptune Base (seen on the Gamma Fighter concept). Outside the Sol system, they have the purely-military Space Station Liberty and their military enclave in Tiresia City on Tirol. The closest Robotech has come to honest space colonization has been the civilian sector on the Robotech Factory Satellite in Earth orbit, and that's still a primarily military installation. Each and every attempt the Earth forces in Robotech have made at launching a colony mission has ended before it began with the ship(s) produced being repurposed for war: The destroyed SDF-2's replacement was retasked as warship and sent looking for the Robotech Masters, the unused Angel-class colony ships were repurposed as delivery systems for the neutron-s warheads, and the sole surviving Ark Angel-class colony ship was repurposed as the flagship of the anti-Haydonite war effort.
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Not really, no... about the only comic that actually had character development or a vaguely coherent plot was Robotech II: the Sentinels, and that's the only one that's still even ambiguously canon. Most of the rest are so poorly written it's hard to feel anything for the characters other than mild antipathy or a vague sort of derision. A lot of the new characters created for the comics were the same shallow stocks you'd get in most any sci-fi story, as utterly interchangeable as the redshirts Star Trek made a habit of killing every episode.
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Validity of the Super Long Range Emigration Strategy
Seto Kaiba replied to Uxi's topic in Movies and TV Series
Well, since we don't know exactly when the U.N. made first contact with the indigenous people of Zola the best we can do is guess based on what we know from Macross Dynamite 7. Even the content of the "Zomeo and Zoliet" radio drama isn't necessary a good indicator of whether a non-Zolan male could successfully mate with a Zolan female. After all, it may be a play on the central conflict in Romeo and Juliet, and the families of "Zomeo" and "Zoliet" simply don't approve of their children marrying a member of a newly-discovered alien species or something along those lines. We can't judge Zolans by typical marsupial standards either, since they are an alien species that evolved into a form similar to humans either via the meddling of the Protoculture or by convergent evolution. At the present time we don't have any hard evidence... though it seems a safe bet that the Zolans were probably modified by the Protoculture at some point in their history. After all, this isn't Robotech, where every alien race in the galaxy evolved into a humanoid shape and with DNA similar enough to produce viable offspring by pure coincidence. As Gubaba said, we should wait for Chronicle... but at the risk of sounding like a Magic 8 Ball: "Signs point to yes".