Seto Kaiba

Eh... that's a bit of an oversimplification. In practice, the creators of Macross don't seem to follow any clearly defined rationale when it comes to the use of designs from the original Macross series and the DYRL? movie. True, there seems to be a pretty clear trend in the use of the DYRL Zentradi (and "Meltrandi") designs in subsequent Macross shows, but the movie designs haven't completely supplanted the TV series ones. For example, during the filming of the in-series docu-drama "The Lynn Minmay Story", the actors playing Britai and Kamjin are dressed as movie Britai and TV series Kamjin respectively. Likewise, the flightsuit Milia uses whenever she sorties in Macross 7 is a holdover from the TV series as well. IIRC her VF-1J also had the "Block 5" hands from the TV series. Also, in Macross Frontier we see the 33rd Marines use a mixture of TV series and DYRL body armor. Etc. etc.

Eh... really? Just from what I read on yui1107's blog and website, the impression I got was that this was a bog standard case of a Robotech fan going off half-cocked after getting a mistaken or incomplete picture of the whole legal fracas between Big West and Tatsunoko over the original Macross series. IIRC, she recently mentioned she was aware that she'd gotten some bad information from someone, but wouldn't say who or where...

Really... I disagree, though your response was infinitely more mature than Gubaba's, and I do appreciate that. The problem here is, I think, in the approach they take when they attempt to correct Wanzerfan after he posts something incorrect. So far, the general response has basically been variations on "You're an idiot, you have no clue what you're talking about, and you need to shut up and stop posting". That's not going to do anything but temporarily discourage Wanzerfan from posting in that thread, and make him less likely to accept corrections or help from that person in the future. Instead, it would be a lot more helpful, productive, and mature to point out to him that he's made an error, offer a correction, and then perhaps point him in the direction of resources that he can use to refresh his knowledge and/or acquire fresh perspective on the topic... this reducing the chances that he'll make a similar error in the future. That approach has worked pretty damn well for me in the past. It's probably why people on Robotech.com still refer fans with tough questions to me despite my having received a ban nearly a year ago... they know that I'll politely and thoroughly answer those tough questions and clear up any misunderstandings they might have without calling them names or accusing them of being a troll for having gotten something wrong. If, as we profess, we really do want to mend fences with the Robotech crowd and discourage the sort of hostility that we know all too well, it's counterproductive to treat people the way Wanzerfan is being treated here. Y'know what... I'd rather be hated for being the guy who said it wasn't okay to attack someone for being a bit ignorant than be part of the crowd and join in condemning them as a troll. This is really a matter of simple logic. If you help them, they will learn. If you're a jerk to them, all they'll learn is that you're a jerk. Y'know... I haven't actually checked. I'll log into my Hulu acct. and find out later. Due to simple curiosity, I actually have both the remastered Animeigo version and the ADV Films dub version on DVD. I consider the Animeigo version superior in most (if not all) regards, though the more commonly available ADV dub version isn't bad... at least not while you're watching it subbed. Yeah... that's as accurate and succinct a summary as I've ever seen. The old novels and comics aren't as big a subject of controversy as they were back before '01, but they're still looked down on... and the tragedy is, as you've said, that doing so doesn't leave them with a lot to talk about these days. Ever since Tommy and Kevin came out and said that none of the old stuff is valid Robotech anymore, the fanbase's attitude towards the old stuff is generally dismissive. I get the feeling the reason they fall back on "witch hunts" as often as they do is that it helps alleviate the boredom by finding a target to vent the fanbase's frustration on.

Wow... you really are takin' a leaf out of Bendo's book, aren't you? If you don't like what a person is saying, you leap to attack the person directly and act as though anything you say or do is above reproach. I guess in all the time you've spent on RobotechX getting chummy with MEMO, his bad habits have started to rub off on you. This makes the content of the private message you sent me all the more ironic, since I seem to be the only one here who's willing to say that it's not OK to attack someone because they say things you don't agree with. If you really need it spelled out for you this bluntly, fine. The point I am laboriously tilting at, and which you are arrogantly trying to ignore, is that you and taksraven are attacking another member for no reason other than that he's ignorant. You've already come out and personally said that you don't care what his thoughts are on anything because you've decided his opinions must be asinine. You've consistently harassed him, belittled him, and labeled him a "troll" because he makes more mistakes than the average member. That isn't just thoroughly inconsistent with what we profess to do here as far as trying to stay out of the cycle of mutual hostility between Robotech and Macross fans... it's a violation of the MacrossWorld Rules & Guidelines section 1.4, something that azrael seems to have conveniently forgotten, as he's indulged in flaming Wanzerfan himself. Furthermore, as I've already explained on more than one occasion, I find it frankly unfair of you to insist that we give MEMO a chance to not act like a bellend when you insisted that you would not give such a chance to Pizza the Hutt, who, unlike MEMO, actually apologized for his asinine behavior and made an effort to turn over a new leaf. You treated the kid with nothing but suspicion and hostility, and that makes us and MacrossWorld look like exactly the sort of villains the Robotech lunatic fringe wants us to be. Do you understand now? Has it ever occurred to you that what you're doing here is precisely the same thing that the militant members of the Robotech lunatic fringe do whenever they don't like what someone has to say? You won't hear me deny that Wanzerfan is ignorant as the day is long, but he's no troll. He's just an opinionated loudmouth who could do with a hand in getting his facts straight. Instead of acting like Pizza the Hutt used to when MEMO was egging him on, why don't you try talking to him and helping him get his facts straight? Did you notice that when I made an effort to talk to him and get to the bottom of his misunderstanding, he had no problems explaining and we quickly corrected and remedied the problem. By attacking him, all you accomplish is putting him on the defensive and making him less inclined to accept corrections from you in the future. Seriously, between you and Gubaba I feel like I've been cast in the role of a disappointed parent scolding two belligerent children for bullying other kids on the playground. You do realize you can just change the audio selector to "Japanese" on the ADV DVDs and watch it with subs instead, right? The AnimEigo edition's gonna be hard to find because it's been out of print for a while now. Y'know... as I said above, that's not really going to solve the issue. It's just going to make us look like exactly the sort of judgmental, exclusionary apefaces the Robotech die-hards spend so much time telling people we are. Of course, since you've already given carte blanche to people flaming and flame-baiting Wanzerfan in a previous post, I wouldn't expect you to understand that.

So, you're basically asking me to rephrase my objections to your behavior in such a way that it feels less like I'm telling you off? No, you can just cope with it as-is. Butch up and read it, buttercup. Okay... granted, the ADV Films dub of Super Dimension Fortress Macross is probably some of the worst work. It does, however, retain the great virtue of being free via Hulu so he can at least sample it while he's waiting, as the DVDs are backordered or unavailable at most stores. 'kay, if you'd ended this part about two sentences early I would be pointing to you as a good example of how to deal with someone in Wanzerfan's situation. You got off to a good start, but you kind of tripped at the finish line there. Either way, I'll talk to Wanzerfan directly via IM or PM later and get him set up with everything he needs to watch Macross: Do You Remember Love?, Macross 7, Macross Zero, and Macross Frontier.

Hey now, don't go grabbing all the credit... j_wong and I were commemorated on that page too. I even saved a copy of it for posterity before Geocities went down. Oh no, no... you've misunderstood, I'm not getting worked up over this or taking it personally. All I'm doing here is expressing my disappointment at your abject failure to practice what you preach. You talk a big game about how you find the antagonism between Macross and Robotech fans deplorable, but when the time comes to show a bit of that tolerance you become the antagonist instead. That's falling pretty far short of the mark, don't you think? Not every Robotech fan is going to be pleasant, charming, and easy to get along with. The moral of the story here, for those of you who need Aesop to spell the lesson out for you, is that instead of rushing to call names and level accusations of trolling when someone does something untoward, you ought to try talking to them first to see if it's just good old fashioned human ignorance or if there's genuine malice behind it all... something you've repeatedly failed to do. In the case of Wanzerfan, there's more than ample evidence to suggest that the only force at work here is good ol' fashioned human ignorance.

Okay guys... I have a question. Y'know, I'd really love to know how you guys managed to consistently behave in such a fashion that I end up as the voice of sanity and tolerance. I'm probably the last person who should be called upon to fill a role like that... especially where Robotech is concerned. After all, I'm probably the person the remnants of the Robotech fandom demonize most. I really hate when you guys put me in this position, because being mild-mannered and tolerant damages the undeserved supervillain-esque "street cred" the Robotech fandom's lunatic fringe is so busy trying to give me. Really, at this point I have to wonder whose behavior is more questionable... yours or Wanzerfan's. I can't help but remember the last time that sniveling cocksection MEMO showed up here and started running a line of total bullshit about the Macross legal issue, something he clearly knew nothing about. Do you remember what you lot did? When people told him to shut his ignorant ass up, you lot started bleating to us about how we needed to be nice to him despite his proven track record of being a dick. Despite ample proof that he was a douche who didn't deserve the chance, you whined, sniveled and protested in a fashion that would've done Chris Crocker proud and eventually got your way. Curiously enough, when someone who'd been making an ass of himself in the past showed up and was making a conscious effort to amend his boorish behavior, you were instantly suspicious of every little thing he said and did and point-blank refused to give him a fair chance. Y'know what that is? That's hypocrisy, boys and girls. It's just my opinion, but it's f*cking stupid to give a chance to an unrepentant douche and refuse one to a guy who was showing no signs that he was trying to start trouble, apologized openly for his past behavior, and claimed to be trying to turn over a new leaf. Tell me, do you remember the funny part of this little reminiscence? In case you've forgotten, let me remind you: You protested that we needed to be tolerant and give MEMO another chance, and he and his friend Maverick immediately proved beyond any shadow of a doubt that they deserved nothing of the sort by acting like twats. On the other hand, I protested on behalf of Pizza the Hutt, who was openly repentant for his past deeds and made an effort to change his behavior... he might've made an off-color joke and lost his posting privileges, but he hasn't let that OR your refusal to give him the same chance you gave MEMO stop him from engaging in civil correspondence with me or let it dampen his enthusiasm for exploring the rest of Macross. Now... we've arrived at a similar juncture with Wanzerfan. Once again, we have a person who has said quite a lot of stupid and occasionally offensive things... but with no outward sign of malice and no clear agenda, he gets accused of being a troll for what appears to be nothing more than simple case of being opinionated and ignorant. Instead of trying that tolerance and understanding bullsh*t you were preaching at us to show towards MEMO and actually trying to get to the bottom of it, you immediately leap to conclude that his reasons for voicing an opinion for or against something must be asinine or that he has this malicious agenda behind it all. You advocated for MEMO despite the fact that we KNEW beyond any shadow of a doubt that he had a malicious agenda... yet there's no sign of one from Wanzerfan and you'd rather write him off as a malicious troll than try to get to the bottom of it. That makes even less sense than the stuff he comes up with! Really... the only thing I can conclude from all this is that contrary to what you say about wanting to end all the hostility and judgmental @sshole behavior between Robotech and Macross fans... you're part of the problem. In lieu of acting like twits, why not try talking to the guy and getting to the bottom of it for yourselves? Y'know what... s'long as I'm telling you off, I might as well go whole f*cking hog and say that I honestly think Pizza the Hutt should be unbanned and given an honest chance to prove that he's not the same venomous f*ckwit we came to know at Robotech.com. He's been nothing but civil, polite, and friendly in the e-mails he and I have exchanged over the past couple of months, and I firmly believe that his interest in Macross is genuine.

Okay, yeah... that explains a lot. For the record, that big Robotech 25th Anniversary shindig that's scheduled for the 18th isn't the handiwork of Harmony Gold USA. It's a "by the fans, for the fans" sort of affair, and rather the most impressive of its kind in recent years... particularly considering Robotech's status as a virtual nonentity in the American anime industry. Huh... now there is one esoteric list. It was pretty much a given that the so-called "original 85" of Robotech would show, since that's still held up as the defining version of Robotech. Most fans don't have any use for the old Comico comics, and the ones I know generally found the old Sentinels stuff that didn't relate directly to the story of the core cast profoundly boring, and treat it as something best left forgotten. There's not a lot of love out there for the Macross II: Lovers Again OVA/movie either... though at least part of that is the profound lack of information on it, and the sad fact that almost all the information out there for it in English is completely incorrect. Huh... I've said it before, and I'll say it again: this is perhaps the most bizarre complaint about a Robotech story I've ever personally heard. It may just be that I've never understood why Robotech fans seem to want complex backstories for minor, borderline-irrelevant characters who appeared in, at most, one or two episodes. The last time I watched the Robotech series was a good few years ago, but even my somewhat atrophied knowledge of the original Robotech series is raising red flags over your complaint. Jonathan Wolfe, which is the correct way to spell his name, was with the Expeditionary Forces during the Sentinels arc and was sent back to help fight the Robotech Masters... in the reliably canon and pseudocanon parts of Robotech, there is no significant continuity issue in his depiction in the new comics. Insofar as your complaints about Macross Plus... my suggestion should be obvious: watch the rest of the bloody show before passing judgment on it. Lumping Sharon Apple in with conventional "insane AI" plots really isn't all that accurate... and her motivations are explained in the course of the series/movie. 'kay... that's easy enough to remedy, assuming you're willing to make peace with watching subtitled shows in lieu of the official dubs Harmony Gold is steadfastly preventing anyone from making. You can watch the recent ADV dub of the original Super Dimension Fortress Macross for free here, on Hulu. For the rest of Macross, you'll have to make peace with the idea of watching fansubs, which are readily available for all of the other Macross shows except the most recent movie.

Considering the usual quality of ADV's handiwork... haven't Southern Cross and Mospeada suffered enough? Eh... out of sheer, bloody-minded boredom, I've gotten back to watching Queen's Blade while I sit and wait for a service pack to finish installing on one of my other computers.

Okay, yeah... you've got me there. Insofar as the present situation affects the general availability of legitimate Macross goods in the Americas, nothing has changed. The circumstances being what they are, it's unlikely you'll see any changes until such time as Harmony Gold USA either voluntarily surrenders, or is forced to give up, the trademarks they hold on the Macross name and logo in the US. Since they seem determined to hold onto those trademarks as a means of protecting Robotech from having to compete with Macross on a level footing (a death sentence for Robotech), the only time we're going to see legitimate releases of the rest of Macross in the states will be when Harmony Gold either goes out of business or finally produces a Robotech sequel so loathsome and pathetic that they decide to cut their losses and just sell the franchise to whoever wants it. Just looking at the general lack of forward motion on the proposed Robotech live-action movie and their decision to put Robotech: Shadow Rising on indefinite hiatus while they wait for Warner to unf*ck the Robotech franchise's piss-poor reputation, I would say that the latter case has never looked more realistic.

Excellent theories, gentlemen... but having actually spoken with the man at a few points in the past, I'm pretty firmly convinced that he's a flesh-and-blood human being or at least a very convincing Mudd-style android. STill, it's a mystery to me how he can manage to be so consistently wrong when he posts. I don't think he's doing it on purpose... Yeah... no kidding.

Better late than never... thanks for the confirmation on that. I hadn't gotten around to installing Windows 7 on my desktop yet since it's having motherboard issues and the manufacturer wants it to go back to get fixed.

'kay... it looks like it's going to fall to me to voice the confusion most of us are probably feeling after your latest nonsensical outburst: What the hell are you saying? I realize this'll probably sound like a personal attack, but I really mean what I'm about to say here and I intend no malice in it. Now, what I want you to do is sit down and spend some quality time with your keyboard as you explain to us your view(s) on Macross and Robotech. I'm not exaggerating even a little when I say that we have no idea why you're even here. I mean, from your posts it doesn't really seem like you're a Macross fan... or that you're even remotely interested in Macross. I know you're a fan of the old and much-maligned Robotech comics, but your position on the rest of Robotech and on Harmony Gold is pretty inconsistent, and you say a lot of sh*t that's just plain misinformed. I'm not even sure what to make of this latest remark of yours because you won't remain consistent. So what I want you do to is explain to us what you think of Macross and Robotech... the bits you like, the bits you don't, your opinion of Harmony Gold, etc. I mean... really. Did you say what you just said because you thought RT25 was a celebration orchestrated by Harmony Gold USA? It's not. Harmony Gold has more or less nothing to do with it, as far as I've heard. It's the brainchild of the few admirable Robotech fans left out there. It's a fan project that shames anything Harmony Gold has done to commemorate the 25th Anniversary of the show. Even as someone who's openly critical of Robotech, I can't help but be impressed by what they've managed to pull off... and frankly I think it's a shame that Cam Clarke isn't going to be there with the rest of his fellow cast-mates. This is possibly the last hurrah for Robotech. That he's not going to attend doesn't mean he refused... he might just have not been able to make it due to other obligations. Entirely possible... though it doesn't look like anyone here is fluent enough in Japanese to successfully explain the complex legal situation to her and have her actually understand it.

Of course... it's only natural that the members of the Robotech lunatic fringe think it's big news that a Japanese girl professes to like the show. In all seriousness, finding out that there's a batshit crazy or improbably stupid housewife somewhere in Japan who actually knows about Robotech is probably the biggest news for Robotech since 2007. It's a safe bet that the handful of fanatics presiding over what's left of the Robotech fandom will be holding this up as a sign that the live-action movie project Tobey Maguire's been ignoring since at least 2008 is destined to be a colossal international hit fit to shame Star Wars and Star Trek. Eh... as far as I can tell, yui1107 got some bad info somewhere and leaped to the entirely incorrect conclusion that the reason the rest of Macross hasn't been licensed for distribution outside of Japan is because Big West is run by jerks who don't want to work with foreign companies. In one particular post, she went much farther and said that their attitude was like the anti-westerner bigotry of the samurai (or rather, the Tokugawa shogunate) from back when Japan was a closed country under the sakoku policy between 1633 and 1853. It looks like she doesn't know or understand the real reason that Big West is unable to distribute the rest of Macross outside of Japan... Harmony Gold's trademark on the Macross name and logo. Basically... like many Robotech fans, she knows just enough to make an ass of herself in a public venue, but not nearly enough to actually understand what's really going on. From one or two of her posts, I also gathered that she's a Southern Cross fan and has an axe to grind with Big West or Harmony Gold about the treatment of that series. It's not clear which company her beef is with, or that she even understands the distinction between the originals and Robotech's amalgam of a story. I would guess, given the substance of her complaint, that she feels that Harmony Gold made a bad call when they rewrote the original Southern Cross and set it on Earth. Her specific complaint seems to be that she feels they should have left the setting as a recently-colonized planet near Earth, not Earth itself, as it would make the universe of the Robotech series feel much bigger. Now, whether that accurately represents the sum total of her statements... I make no promises. I do believe I have at least got the general thrust of her argument/opinion here. Yeah... it's a shame, I was actually asked to go to that not too long ago. Couldn't swing it, unfortunately. Looks like it'll be the first, and quite probably the last, decent shindig to celebrate Robotech's 25th Anniversary. I think Zen72 is going there and will be reporting on it, but I dunno... haven't seen him in a while.

Nah... at the very least, Shaloom wasn't openly malicious in his bullshitting. To be blunt, JuanRT is cut from the same cloth as DougBendo and MEMO1DOMINION. His podcast is less about news that's relevant to the Robotech franchise, and more about pushing his own personal agenda and that of his friend MEMO. He's one of those militant members of the Robotech lunatic fringe who sees anyone with a different opinion as not being a "real Robotech fan" or a "Macross purist troll". One of the things I remember hearing during my brief tenure on RobotechX before MEMO went all ban-happy was that one of the things Harmony Gold was showing around to raise interest for Shadow Rising was footage taken from Shadow Chronicles redone with marginally improved animation quality. It was supposedly trotted out at a few conventions, but since I don't do that scene I have no idea if it actually was. Eh... is there really anything out there that we could call a credible source of Robotech news anymore? It seems like the only people putting news out there anymore are provably untrustworthy people like MEMO, and lunatic fringe fans who see spinning things in Harmony Gold's failure as a ticket to legitimacy and self-advancement.

Uh... okay, Wanz? In the future, do yourself a little favor and end your posts one sentence earlier. I've gone out on a limb plenty of times to defend you to Gubaba and a few others, but when you say things like that I have to ask... really, are you a Macross fan? Apart from the Macross II: Lovers Again OVA/movie, is there a Macross series you actually like? Level with me here dude, because I'm REALLY starting to wonder. Considering that it was typed entirely in caps, I'm going to assume it's the handiwork of MEMO... which is pretty much an automatic "No." any way you shake it. It looks like exactly the same sort of flimflam routine MEMO and Maverick_LSC were doing for the live action movie. They took what little information was actually available and blew it all out of proportion, and then started posting their theories about it as fact. As far as I'm aware, all that has actually been confirmed about this project is that it's supposedly in editing and that it'll be some kind of side story irrelevant to the ongoing plot of Robotech: the Shadow Chronicles. It occurs to me that "SPANISH PODCAST" was mentioned as the source... that almost certainly means JuanRT is involved, which is just a further hit against the credibility of this supposed "news".

Totally... hell, just a few months ago I watched my newly obtained DVD copy and noticed stuff I'd never caught before in the VHS version I've had since I was a kid. Not exactly a masterpiece of cinematography, but it's a fun movie to watch for nostalgia's sake, or just to watch some giant robots kick the sh*t out of each other in a way that you just can't get away with on TV anymore. Hm... while my memories of watching the original Transformers series as a kid are a bit on the fuzzy side after all these years, and I only ever had a handful of episodes on tape, but one thing I remember clearly from back then is that even as a kid I thought Rodimus Prime was a wuss. It would be totally believable for him to be unsure of himself after being asked to fill Optimus Prime's shoes under normal circumstances, but the kid was sharing his bonce with the collective wisdom of every Autobot leader ever. At that point, his lack of confidence in his role as leader loses any pretense of credibility. I actually remember being quite pleased when they brought Optimus Prime back from the dead and one of the first things he did was beat the snot out of Rodimus and take back the Matrix. Ah, such fun childhood memories... I was such a cynical kid.

Indeed, I do... mind you, I actually like the visual aesthetic of Google Chome. I just disagree with this philosophy that you need to hide anything that might actually affect the way the browser functions as though the end users were a pack of ten-thumbed imbeciles. That, and the lack of an ad blocker that actually works, is why I can never manage to use Google Chrome for more than a few days at a go before getting fed up with it. The familiar option menu is still there, it's just that the menu bar has been compacted into that gaudy orange thing, making the lone menu feel a lot more cluttered and disorganized. At the very least, I hope they won't try to dumb down the user accessible options menu to Google Chrome's level. Really, I suppose my objections to it are those of a power user. I would probably be intensely grateful for them having made it harder to screw up the browser's configuration if I were planning to deploy it only on my familiy's computers (you know how it is). *sigh* Maybe it's time to haul my elitist power user ass over to Opera and give it another try. Oh, yeah... first thing I did on encountering the error was send Mozilla a bug report detailing the problem. That's the whole point of beta testing. When I tried it, I found Firefox 4 Beta 5 to be a slick looking and decently stable browser. It's just that there's still some broken (perhaps by design) functionality and the user interface's menus feel a bit cluttered and disorganized. Not an overtly bad browser by any means... but definitely not ready for the big 4.0 release.

Um... actually, quite a few things have changed over the past few years. It's just that the changes didn't include the disappearance of the legal roadblocks preventing Big West from doing an end-run around Harmony Gold and distributing Macross in the US over their objections.

Eh... as waters7 pointed out, that links has been there for ages. In practice, Harmony Gold's explanation of how Robotech II: the Sentinels fits into the continuity establishes that things generally didn't happen as depicted in the aborted animation, novels, comic books, etc. Only the so-called "broad strokes" of the Sentinels story arc are considered accurate (namely, that the SDF-3 was shipped off on a mission to find the RT Masters), up to the conclusion of that particular arc in Prelude. Of course, when you take stock of Prelude and realize it's a continuation of the nominally non-canon Robotech II: the Sentinels comic books by Jason and John Waltrip... that opens up a whole new avenue of WTF.

Eh... by any rational measure, that the animation has consistently abbreviated it as "UN <Noun>" over the past twenty-plus years seems like a pretty fair indication that it is correct... or at least what the show's creators had intended, which is effectively the same thing. If the animation consistently uses "UN", I don't see any reason to second-guess the show's creators. Unity/Unified is used too... but all that's really necessary there is a note that "UN" is short-form for "Unified" or "Unity", whichever you happen to favor. Using "UN" is what most of the fanbase is familiar with... so, as we've just graphically demonstrated, going with "Unified" or "Unity" without explanation is going to inject additional confusion into something that already causes some degree of confusion on its own. Really, what this calls for, if anything, is a bloody footnote.

Eh... dragging the real United Nations into it makes it rather more complicated than it needs to be. At some point or other all the "unified" government are all referred to as some permutation on "U.N. Gov't". It's also probably a bad (and misleading) idea to treat the pre-Space War 1 U.N. Government as being the same entity as the post-Space War 1 "new U.N. Government". Using inconsistent naming conventions isn't going to help either. A less confusing and more explicit progression would go something like this: United Nations (1945 - 2001) - The real-world international organization. U.N. Government (2001 - 11 Feb 2010) - The planetary central government established as a result of the 1999 crash of an alien ship on South Ataria island. new U.N. Government (April 2010 - ~2051) - The re-established planetary central government after Space War 1. New U.N. Government (~2051 - Current) - The decentralized E.U.-style interplanetary governing body present in Macross Frontier. If you really have a hard-on for using "Unity" or "Unified" instead of "U.N." that's fine too... but be consistent, or it can get a lot more confusing than it needs to be.

Eh... really, I think the term "Harmony Gold" would translate much more readily and gracefully into something a bit simpler, like "parasitism" or "serial plagiarist". It's quite tricky to find a word or a pithy little phrase which can neatly encapsulate all the sins of twenty-five years of bad business practices and monumental ineptitude. They got lucky when they came up with a neat little term like "Macekre" to describe the creative process. At times like this, I'm reminded of an old adage attributed to P.T. Barnum: "There's a sucker born every minute." Just about anyone is going to find the level of confidence many Robotech fans seem to have in Harmony Gold's "abilities" profoundly unnatural until they take stock of what Harmony Gold has actually been doing in the past twenty-five years. Rather than devote their fullest attention to the production of new material and trying to do something original with the franchise, Harmony Gold has put a frightening amount of time, money, and energy making it appear their creative input into Robotech was far greater than it actually was. They've capitalized on the ignorance of the fans using exaggeration, deceptive wordings, and occasionally outright lies to make them appear capable and talented when all they've ever actually done (with the sole exception of Robotech 3000) is rehash someone else's work. It's gotten to the point where they're rehashing their rehashes just to keep the ball rolling. Just look at Robotech: the Shadow Chronicles... it's practically worthy of M.C. Escher. Robotech: the Shadow Chronicles is a rehash of the Robotech II: the Sentinels comic books by Jason and John Waltrip, and Robotech's "New Generation". Jason and John Waltrip's run of Robotech II: the Sentinels comic books are, in turn, rehashes of the old Robotech II: the Sentinels novelizations by James Luceno and Brian Daley, though they didn't stick to the source material. James Luceno and Brian Daley's novelizations of Robotech II: the Sentinels are, at least in theory, just a rehash of Carl Macek's planned-but-not-completed Robotech II: the Sentinels TV series. (In practice, the novels were more like a rehash that went snoop-the-loopy halfway through) Carl Macek's incomplete Robotech II: the Sentinels series was a rehash of the Robotech TV series Macross Saga and Robotech Masters Saga, and also drew on some minor elements of Robotech: the Untold Story. Robotech: the Untold Story was a rehash of Megazone 23 that borrowed from Southern Cross. The three sagas of the original 85 episode Robotech series are rehashes/rewrites of the original Macross, Southern Cross, and Mospeada. And there you have it... the Robotech: the Shadow Chronicles movie represents the fourth consecutive rehashing of the same old material to produce a sequel. We're still dealing with the same core cast of characters and their close relatives, with the same mecha, the same ships, the same plot devices, and we're still retreading the same damn story. I can only guess that Harmony Gold thinks that the creative process works like vodka distilling, that the more times they distill the same material, the better it gets.

Ah, I see... and if your recollection of that guy's reasoning it sound, then it makes no sense at all. I guess I misremembered which show Wanzerfan said he disliked without having actually seen it. It might have been Macross 7... but that's hardly a unique condition, eh?

Incidentally, on a lark I downloaded and installed Mozilla Firefox 4.0 beta 5. The installation process went smoothly enough, and it was kind enough to leave my previous install of Firefox 3.6.9 in place, and even absorb some of the compatible add-ons like AdBlock Plus and Norton IPS. All in all, it's definitely a step backwards, IMO. True, the new user interface looks pretty... in fact, it looks startlingly like Google Chrome. Not that I consider that a bad thing, but it doesn't seem to work very well for the Opera-style top-left all-in-one menu system. The menus are, at present, rather sparse and poorly laid out. Everything is crammed haphazardly into a half-dozen or so folders under the main menu, which makes it feel a bit scattered and disorganized. The only real issues I could find with it in terms of actual function were that it bricks when you try to open a secure connection to Firefox's add-ons update section, and it won't properly render context menus that extend beyond the boundaries of the window itself... displaying the text but not the background. All in all... it's nice looking, but thus far I don't see it as a significant or necessary improvement on Firefox 3.x.