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The Mandalorian - Star Wars webseries from Jon Favreau
Seto Kaiba replied to SMS007's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
From this, I can only assume that the infamous Bothan Spies(TM) are named things like "Suun TuDiye" and "Iym DuMed".- 1438 replies
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The Mandalorian - Star Wars webseries from Jon Favreau
Seto Kaiba replied to SMS007's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
Twice over... wasn't it Luke's surname in the early drafts of A New Hope?- 1438 replies
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Having a biology-inspired design aesthetic is not the same thing as having actual organic technology. The TV version Zentradi just have a biology-inspired design aesthetic, their technology's inorganic. The movie version Zentradi do incorporate biotechnology into their ships and mecha (esp. in control systems), but they're still constructed in factories rather than grown. Exactly how that biotechnology is mass produced is not established, but given that those automated factories are in space and the equipment they're building is intended to operate in space without maintenance effectively indefinitely... odds are that it's pretty well hardened against radiation through the Protoculture's mastery of the material and genetic sciences.
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The Mandalorian - Star Wars webseries from Jon Favreau
Seto Kaiba replied to SMS007's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
... looking at Dave Filoni's filmography, it really is surprising if people didn't foresee that an avid pre-Disney Star Wars fan and creator being involved wouldn't result in him trying to tie his work under Disney back to his pre-Disney work. Though I guess this did predate Disney's authorial saving throw attempt to start "rescuing" material from the old Expanded Universe after they failed to stick the landing with the sequel trilogy and Solo: a Star Wars Story. As someone who hasn't seen ANY of the cartoons, up to at least the middle of The Book of Boba Fett nothing has really given me the feeling that the cartoons are required... more like an easter egg than a course prerequisite. The few references that I assume are to the events of those cartoons are so minor that I could get the gist of what happened just from what's said in The Mandalorian. I haven't gotten to... is his name really "Cad Bane"? That's the best kind of awful naming sense. 🤣 That's like naming a pair of knife fetishists "Shanklin" and "Slashley".- 1438 replies
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Super Macross Mecha Fun Time Discussion Thread!
Seto Kaiba replied to Valkyrie Driver's topic in Movies and TV Series
It hasn't been described as an issue that I'm aware... The YF-21's airframe is somewhat larger than that of the YF-19 because of its unconventional transformation but it was engineered to prioritize passive stealth performance above almost all other considerations. It can take the same standard weapons pallets the YF-19 can, and its internal bays are roomy enough to accommodate even larger weaponry like the latest model thermonuclear reaction missile as seen in Macross 7. Variable Fighter Master File does depict provisions for conformal and pylon mountings of additional weaponry on the YF-21/VF-22, but it's primarily body mountings instead of using underwing pylons. EDIT: The chart does show the option to attach pylons, though because the wings fold there are relatively few options for those stations. -
The Mandalorian - Star Wars webseries from Jon Favreau
Seto Kaiba replied to SMS007's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
IMO, a more likely explanation is that the idea propigated while Han was on display in Jabba's palace. By nature of his chosen vocation, Jabba the Hutt was naturally inclined to do a fair amount of business with bounty hunters and kept at least one (and more likely several) of them on retainer as hired muscle. Every one of them would have known that Fett collected the bounty on Han Solo and had an opportunity to see the carbonite slab because Jabba had it mounted on the wall of his audience chamber. That would probably have been enough for most bounty hunters to put two and two together and end up spreading the idea when they talked shop with other bounty hunters. (Though I do find the idea of some PR flack trying to convince Lord-freaking-Vader to do PV spots for a portable carbon freeze system marketed to bounty hunters absolutely hilarious. Doubly so since Rogue One revealed he's not above a villainous pun, and Vader being Anakin and therefore a massive drama queen he'd be as hammy as possible in something like that.)- 1438 replies
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Super Macross Mecha Fun Time Discussion Thread!
Seto Kaiba replied to Valkyrie Driver's topic in Movies and TV Series
Removing the conventional horizontal stabilizers from the design reduces drag on the airframe. The loss of the accompanying control surfaces (the elevators) is compensated for by angling the vertical stabilizers into so their control surfaces can serve as both the rudders and elevators ("ruddervators") and the use of thrust vectoring nozzles for pitch and roll control. It is drawn with a conventional muzzle flash... see episode two c.14:40. -
The Mandalorian - Star Wars webseries from Jon Favreau
Seto Kaiba replied to SMS007's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
To be honest, I didn't find anything wrong with Mando having a carbon freeze system on his ship. Keeping a live prisoner is a nontrivial risk for a bounty hunter. They have to be fed, watered, have access to sanitary facilities, etc., which all costs money. Many prisoners facing the no doubt harsh punishments from those who posted the bounty on them would be inclined to attempt to escape from confinement and attack the bounty hunter, hijack the ship, or sabotage the ship if they have accomplices who might rescue them. Carbon freezing prisoners neatly evades most of those issues, since the prisoners in cryogenic hibernation are incapable of escaping on their own or engaging in self-harm, don't consume food or water, and don't produce waste. That way the prisoner can be delivered alive and shenanigans-free even if the process is acutely unpleasant for the prisoner. They also keep for a long time, so a bounty hunter freezing their quarrey wouldn't necessarily have to take one job at a time. It's a bit of accidental genius, IMO... since it really makes for an effective way to demonstrate why it's so insane that people treat Din and Boba with such a cavalier attitude. There's nobody policing the bounty hunters and no legal safety net preventing them from employing the most incredible violence to secure the bounty head. They aren't some dumb hick bail bondsman cosplaying a member of the Village People who'll go to jail himself if he gets rough... these are heavily armed career killers whose only incentive to keep you alive is that you're worth more money that way, and for their purposes "alive" doesn't necessarily mean unharmed. Never mind that they have zero incentive to keep alive anyone who's dumb enough to get between them and their prize.- 1438 replies
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Aren't we being too pedantic about "official toys"?
Seto Kaiba replied to Pontus's topic in MW Site News & Member Feedback
To be fair, the site did and still does have the general rule "No Robotech"... and it wasn't exactly unjustified for Macross fans to take a dim view of supporting a company that was, at the time, actively working to keep legitimate Macross releases out of western hands. 🙄 With the legal dispute having effectively ended in a way that makes the distinction between the Japanese and western-licensed Macross toys academic, I don't see any reason to object to having those in the same area. I think it would be better to keep content from unrelated properties like MOSPEADA separate however. -
Aren't we being too pedantic about "official toys"?
Seto Kaiba replied to Pontus's topic in MW Site News & Member Feedback
I'm not much of a toy collector, but isn't the reason for the seemingly incongruous approach is that it predates the settling of Big West and Harmony Gold's rights dispute by like 20 years? Y'know, back when there was an abundant wellspring of ill will towards Harmony Gold over their Macross licensing embargo? Standards have just gradually relaxed over the years as various methods to circumvent the problem emerged and Robotech's toy line began producing products other than copies of official Macross goods. Now that both parties have buried the hatchet and Big West has partial control over Robotech, the reasons to make a firm distinction are fewer and farther between. -
Hrm... ordered my copy of the Artistry of the First Macross book (Deculture Ed.) from CD Japan and it arrived today in pristine condition via FedEx. CD Japan seems to be pretty paranoid about shippers, since they packed it in a plastic sleeve inside of a bubble pack bag inside of a cardboard box padded with packing paper.
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The Mandalorian - Star Wars webseries from Jon Favreau
Seto Kaiba replied to SMS007's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
I could buy that, given how Fett is treated in The Book of Boba Fett. That's not even close to what was being talked about, though. "Getting into trouble" is expected, Mando's a bounty hunter. The problem is that The Mandalorian and The Book of Boba Fett both write expositional checks the story can't cash. Everywhere Din goes in The Mandalorian, he's preceded by the Mandalorian reputation for stone cold badassery. He's actively trading on it anytime he goes somewhere new and every time one of his former employers appears they act as though he has absolutely lived up to that reputation in their past and present dealings. Yet this amazing reputation that allegedly inspires fear and awe gives absolutely nobody pause for thought in the story. It'd be one thing for experienced bounty hunters to think they could take him despite the reputation with planning, teamwork, and numbers like in the third episode... but most of the time he's assailed by people who explicitly know that reputation and still act like he's just some idiot tourist and not supposedly a member of a feared warrior race wearing a fortune in exotic armor and weaponry. There's precious little reality in "Reality TV"... but there are also very practical reasons that "Dog the Bounty Hunter" isn't taken seriously. Namely, that "bounty hunting" is not legal everywhere, that "bounty hunters" have no legal authority or standing to speak of in some jurasdictions, they generally can't legally detain or question anyone, their use of force is heavily restricted or outright prohibited depending on location, they're required to carry various insurances to cover damages they may cause, and they can quite easily end up in jail themselves on charges of kidnapping, assault, etc.. "Dog" himself was arrested and charged with felony kidnapping in 2003 while apprehending a bounty head in Mexico. He skipped bail himself and fled back to the US, where he was arrested for extradition in 2006. He only avoided extradition because the statute of limitations of the charges expired. That seems to be very different to bounty hunting in Star Wars, where the distinction between "bounty hunter" and "assassin" seems to be either purely academic or whether one belongs to the trade association. If Mando is any indication, there don't seem to be any real restrictions on how much force they can use or against whom... up to and including lethal force against unrelated persons. There also don't appear to be any restrictions on how a bounty head may be restrained, given that Mando uses methods that can cause lasting physical harm like carbon freezing. Local governments seem to be either disinterested in, or unable to, regulate or restrain bounty hunter activity. Even if we were to assume that the galaxy looks at the Mandalorians as gung-ho yeehaw lunatics despite the series waxing lyrical about how they're seen as the deadliest warriors around, a Mando bounty hunter is still a gung-ho yeehaw lunatic whose only disincentive to murder people at will with his extensive collection of personal weaponry is that, outside of the occasional "alive only" warrant, proof of decease doesn't pay out as much as delivering a living prisoner. That's still something most people would be supremely cautious about, IMO. It's the same with Boba Fett in The Book of Boba Fett. Just five years ago, he was the most feared enforcer for the most feared crime boss on Tatooine. He was good enough at bounty hunting (murder) that he was on Darth Vader's short list of The Best of the Best in his field. Days or at most a few weeks earlier, he waltzed into the palace of Tatooine's leading crime lord, murdered him and his retainers with impunity, and announced he was now In Charge. Everyone knows who he is, but the only one who seems to be even the slightest bit afraid of this legendary contract killer turned crime lord is the Mos Espa mayor's secretary... and only then when there is the imminent threat of violence. The writers clearly want these characters to be carried by their reputations for supreme badassery, but the story has absolutely eveyone treat them like jobbers of the lowest order. That's a possibility... though one could also look at the same situation and easily conclude that the Mandalorians are as dangerous as advertised because the Empire felt that even Mandalorian civilians were enough of a threat to justify destroying their planet, and that cornered with nothing left to lose the Mandalorians would be even more dangerous than they were when they were just elite mercenaries.- 1438 replies
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The Mandalorian - Star Wars webseries from Jon Favreau
Seto Kaiba replied to SMS007's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
OK, help me out here... Based on the first two seasons of The Mandalorian, the Mandalorian people are supposedly widely reputed to be elite warriors of the highest caliber, right? And despite his profoundly uninspiring performance in the original trilogy, Boba Fett is supposed to have been one of the most elite and feared bounty hunters that the galaxy had, right? He had enough street cred to be on Darth Vader's short list of bounty hunters in Empire Strikes Back and to be Jabba's favorite bounty hunter in Return of the Jedi. If they have these reputations for elite badassery, why does seemingly nobody in The Mandalorian or The Book of Boba Fett take either Din Djarin or Boba Fett seriously? It was odd enough in The Mandalorian that everyone from other bounty hunters to information brokers and random fishermen was willing to take a whack at Din Djarin despite the exposition's assertion that Mandalorians are feared and respected, but now that I know a bit more about the mythos The Book of Boba Fett might as well be be titled The Disrespect is Real. It's weird that Boba Fett would suddenly pivot to wanting to be a crime boss and he sure as heck doesn't seem to know HOW to do crime boss things despite having been a member of Jabba's retinue as far back as A New Hope, but everyone from rival crime bosses to juvenile delinquents and random shop owners seems quite comfortable sassing, ignoring, and even actively provoking a guy who was a top bounty hunter known for his viciousness just a few years ago and his bloodthirsty assassin Girl Friday. I'm struggling to reconcile the reputational claims the shows make vs. how the characters are actually treated. Surely everyone in the galaxy can't have THAT much of a death wish, right?- 1438 replies
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The Mandalorian - Star Wars webseries from Jon Favreau
Seto Kaiba replied to SMS007's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
Not s'much, no... the reason I find the Jedi so boring is present in the original, prequel, and sequel trilogies. Namely, their preoccupation with destiny. The adventures of regular joes like Din Djarin and Cassian Andor and even Han Solo as they make their own way in the galaxy are a lot more fun and interesting to me than any of what the Jedi get up to. The stakes are generally lower, which means the characters can screw up and learn without it being The End of The World as We Know It, but also there's none of that noise about how such-and-such an outcome is their Destiny. It's no fun to watch a character march in lockstep towards a fate that's preordained in-story because it robs the character of all their agency. They might have a little leeway in how they get from Point A to Point B, but going off the rails is Not An Option for them. The Jedi also all suffer from a real bad case of Main Character Syndrome, but that's a correctable writing issue whereas the Force steering its users towards an ultimate confrontation is more a thematic one. It doesn't help that the force-wielding side of Star Wars exists as moral absolutes... you can either be a Saint or Eat Babies, no middle ground. The normal people of the galaxy who aren't being railroaded by the Force get to have shades of gray, and that makes the much more believable and interesting characters who can go on much more complex and compelling stories with themes beyond simply "Good vs Evil". The Mandalorian's not the best example, but a pretty damned good one, of a story that can go to places the Jedi-centric stories can't.- 1438 replies
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The Mandalorian - Star Wars webseries from Jon Favreau
Seto Kaiba replied to SMS007's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
Messily and violently dismembering a bunch of battle droids in a Darth Vader-esque rampage might make for an impressive action scene, but is that really "growth" for a Jedi? I mean, aren't they supposed to be calm and in control? Really, I think I hit on it earlier... this scene is never gonna work for me because, as a casual, I'm not that invested in Luke Skywalker. (Well, that and I stand by what I said over on the Andor topic about how IMO the Jedi are the least interesting part of Star Wars because they're just puppets of fate marching toward a preordained destiny.) Even with my very limited experience with the Star Wars expanded universe, that sounds like a very bad idea to me. The sequel trilogy isn't great cinema, but then neither was the prequel trilogy, and I'd take either over the EU-style bad fanfic nonsense of Solo: a Star Wars Story. And Solo: a Star Wars Story, The Book of Boba Fett, and The Last Jedi are the best argument anyone could hope for in terms of reasons to leave the original trilogy characters well enough alone. Boba Fett's involvement in The Mandalorian works mainly because he's a flat character in the movies and had no prior character development to derail. The respected (acting) Senator for Naboo, Jar-Jar Binks? I wonder how long it'll be before they're digging deep enough in the nostalgia mines to unearth him again.- 1438 replies
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The Mandalorian - Star Wars webseries from Jon Favreau
Seto Kaiba replied to SMS007's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
I'm not sure we really needed to see Luke tear through a collection of battle droids to establish his Jedi street cred. Vader, on the other hand... after the prequel trilogy, that poor guy needed a moment of being genuinely scary to remind audiences WHY he was feared. Given that Disney is following the old EU down the "Luke wasn't really the last of the Jedi c.Return of the Jedi" slippery slope... it almost feels like a trick question. Jar-Jar Binks isn't in this one, though! (Kidding!)- 1438 replies
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It's a completely separate craft from the Quel Quallie theater scout, but yeah that's what I was referring to as a purpose-built attack unit. It's called just "Heavy Attack Craft". It's actually a bit smaller than the Quel Quallie and has a two-man crew instead of three, but it also punches WAY above its weight class since its primary armament is a guided focusing beam cannon. In short, this is an aircraft built around the kind of long-range particle beam cannon that would ordinarily be mounted on the gun turrets of a Zentradi capital ship. Yes, this is a naval cannon with wings and an AA gun for self-defense.
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What Current Anime Are You Watching Version v4.0
Seto Kaiba replied to wolfx's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
The Legendary Hero is Dead isn't bad... could be better. The story's premise would be more interesting if handled differently. Namely, that a standard fantasy anime Idiot Hero is accidentally slain when he blunders into an anti-monster pitfall trap on a random farmer's property and his body is reanimated by a necromancer using the soul of the farmer in question, who has to impersonate the hero on his mission to save the world. The series is pretty fanservice-heavy, but once it gets about halfway into the season it finally starts dropping the hero's extremely specific obsession with stockings it becomes a lot more tolerable. If it weren't so devoted to its fanservice, it'd probably be a lot more interesting than it is since the protagonist has to think his way around problems instead of relying on the brute force of the Chosen One's overwhelming power and hide the fact that he doesn't even have enough magic to properly maintain his undead body. -
The Mandalorian - Star Wars webseries from Jon Favreau
Seto Kaiba replied to SMS007's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
... ok, I might have to look that one up later because that actually sounds kinda funny. FWIW, I've been enjoying The Mandalorian as well. The visuals are basically flawless, and while the show's writing does have some issues none have been enough to impair my enjoyment of the series in a significant way. It was definitely a "by fans for fans" sort of production, but through the end of season two its presentation has remained accessible enough that casuals like me aren't shut out of the story in any meaningful way. I'd say its biggest weakness is that its protagonist is almost always masked and the stakes in his story thus far haven't really been his. It is, but I feel like even that could have been handled better. Setting up a final confrontation between Din's rescue party and Moff Gideon's Dark Troopers only for a character who had, up to that point, never even been mentioned in the series to show up uninvited and unannounced to demote the season's final threat to an afterthought feels a bit cheap. I kind of suspect that it gets a pass mainly because the Jedi who shows up is Deepfake Luke Skywalker. If it's been anyone else, would fans have been as excited to see the show's protaognist demoted to spectator for the final fight of the season?- 1438 replies
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Two reasons: Design. The Quel Quallie was designed to be a reconnaissance/electronic warfare/signals intelligence platform and equipped appropriately. Its armor is heavy to protect the specialist crew and sensitive electronics, but its armament is light for its size and mainly defensive. Most Zentradi equipment is engineered with a specific purpose or role in mind, so presumably the role of a larger attacker would be given to something like the heavy attack craft seen in DYRL?. Cost. Presumably due to its multitude of high-precision, high-sensitivity sensor systems and the high degree of automation necessary to support them, the Quel Quallie is said to be expensive enough that each (branch) fleet only has around a dozen of them.
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The Mandalorian - Star Wars webseries from Jon Favreau
Seto Kaiba replied to SMS007's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
OK, that would have been a useful detail to have in the series... given that the previous exposition in The Mandalorian only indicated that the Mandalorians regarded the Jedi as an ancient and sorcerous foe, it did strike me as odd that what is for all intents and purposes Mandalorian Excalibur would be a lightsaber. That their legendary founder-king WAS a Jedi... that at least explains why the key to their entire civilization is the signature weapon of their ancient enemy. I figured as much, given that Bo mentions it was taken from her and is a legendary relic of her people there'd have to be some involved backstory to that. He did and he didn't... yeah it pummeled his head into a wall and he's mysteriously concussion-proof now, but armor really does seem to still be useless unless it's beskar as he stabs it to death(? deactivation?) with a spear and that works where no amount of fire or gunfire did. Though, admittedly, that's beside the point in my opinion. If the droids are a major threat that's fine... but it's kind of bad form, narratively speaking, to have an outside-context solution arrive and neatly resolve the problem without your characters actually having to do anything. Having a character who's never even been mentioned up to that point show up in the nick of time and do all the heavy lifting is a bit cheap, y'know? Wouldn't it have been more thrilling if the Mandalorians fought their way out, or Luke at least showed up mid-fight to save them in their daring last stand. It's not as exciting for the heroes to just sit there and watch someone else have all the fun. At the very least, maybe be a bit more proactive about his own defense? Come to that... Mandalorians have an in-story reputation as basically the most feared and respected elite warriors in the galaxy, right? Isn't it kind of weird how ready even randos off the street are to take a swing at Din? It's one thing for bounty hunters looking for a big payoff to do it, but a pack of fish-man fishermen who apparently live near enough to the Mandalorian commune on their world to eat with them and ought to be aware of how stupidly dangerous they are... Yes, I have been well and repeatedly warned about the series. Thus far, it really hasn't lived down to the warnings I've been given about how it'd become more difficult to follow and probably put me off the series. The areas that have actually required outside exposition that I was warned would be more common in season two never really materialized... or whatever it was was clear enough from context that I failed to properly notice most of them. What little needed explaining thus far could probably have been addressed with ~5 minutes of additional exposition spread across the whole show thus far. Either way, I'm gonna give it a fair shot and see.- 1438 replies
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The Mandalorian - Star Wars webseries from Jon Favreau
Seto Kaiba replied to SMS007's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
So... I've finished season two of The Mandalorian, and all in all I didn't really have many issues following the storyline even though there was clearly some required reading involved. I feel like the second season had more of a sense of direction to it, if only because the second season manages not to forget about the main quest for multiple episodes. Mando's quest pivoting from keeping the child safe to delivering it to the Jedi makes it a bit more focused when he then has to go looking for other Mandalorians who could possibly know where to find a Jedi. Mando's still kind of an idiot protagonist though. A lot of his problems are caused by the fact that just blindly trusts everyone he meets even though he gets betrayed and mugged with monotonous regularity. It does help a bit that the ridiculous honor code Mando lives by is revealed to be an extreme version adhered to only by a small group of regressive crazies. Considering how often it gets brought up this season, it seems like the showrunners looked back at their season one concept and decided "Wow that sounded way cooler in my head". This season did a much better job with character development, albeit again almost entirely for secondary/supporting characters. Bringing Boba Fett back from the dead was a mistake, IMO, and from what I've seen of The Book of Boba Fett previously I stand by that remark. Talk about character derailment. Orange Rosario Dawson I gather is an older version of a character from an old cartoon, and there's horrifying deepfake Luke Skywalker at the end reenacting a heroic version of Vader's hallway rampage from Rogue One. While I'm sure that was a huge moment for fans, I can't help but be annoyed by how Mando and crew are saved at the last minute by someone who literally wasn't involved in any part of the plot up until that moment. It's the most blatant kind of deus ex machina short of involving an ACTUAL god. Moff Gideon kind of takes one on the chin in this season. Previously he'd been made out to be a really competent and effective Imperial leader. Here, he's... well... he's got great intel but it's really obvious he's what happens when you order your Imperial boss from Wish. He goes everywhere dressed like Great Value Darth Vader, his ride is a regular TIE fighter, his flagship is a tiny and understaffed light cruiser, and his evil secret weapon is... a slightly less terrible version of the Confederacy's battle droids, that are so inefficient he's unable to field more than a platoon of them? Dude should just give Bo Katan her glowstick... er... I'm sorry... the Darksaber... back. The Mandalorians consider the Jedi an ancient foe... and Mandalorian Excalibur is a lightsaber. I know it's probably from some expanded universe novel from the 90's or something, but wow does "The Darksaber" not hold up as the amazingly cool artifact it's supposed to be.- 1438 replies
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Super Macross Mecha Fun Time Discussion Thread!
Seto Kaiba replied to Valkyrie Driver's topic in Movies and TV Series
In a word, "messy". Long story short, the specs for the YF/VF-19's engines have been presented very inconsistently over the years. Originally, the YF-19's two models of engine had separate specs listed and even slightly different designations. This is Animation Special: Macross Plus OVA Edition lists the YF-19's engine as "FF-2200" was provides its output only as 56,500kgf. This is Animation: the Select: Macross Plus Movie Edition conflicts with itself over what the YF-19's engine is called and offers two separate ones. Page 36 mentions a "FF-2200B" rated for 56,500kgf and a "FF-2500E" rated for 67,500kgf... but page 37 refers to the first engine only as the "FF-2200" at 56,500kgf and mentions the FF-2500E not at all. Variable Fighter Master File: VF-19 Excalibur and Macross Chronicle decided to be as unhelpful as possible and ignore one engine or the other while effectively treating both of those numbers as valid for the same engine at different regimes. So instead they listed the 56,500kgf figure as the engine's output in atmosphere and listed its performance in space as 64,700kgf but either ignore the FF-2500E altogether or treat it as functionally interchangeable with the FF-2200 or FF-2200B. Master File also invents several types of engine that weren't in the original spec that are used for things like the VF-19A. Then there's Macross Plus: Game Edition and the Macross Plus Blu-ray booklet, which offers a THIRD interpretation where both the "FF-2200B" and "FF-2500E" have the same atmospheric operating output of 47,200kgf and their maximum output in space is 56,500kgf for the FF-2200B and 67,500kgf for the FF-2500E. So... now that we've established that, and let's not get into the mess that the 2nd mass production type is thanks to Master File and Macross Chronicle... The VF-19A Excalibur specification comes to us initially from the Macross Digital Mission VF-X Flight Manual, which lists the engine used as "FF-2200" and lists the only output as 56,500kgf, similar to This is Animation Special: Macross Plus. It's possible that, somewhere along the way, some of these differing interpretations got mixed together in the writer's head and produced that questionable statement. TL;DR: That article may need revisiting/revision. -
Super Macross Mecha Fun Time Discussion Thread!
Seto Kaiba replied to Valkyrie Driver's topic in Movies and TV Series
So... I've been poking more at Variable Fighter Master File: VF-22 Sturmvogel II. This time in the section about the FF-2450B engine. Project Super Nova's requirements initially called for both the YF-19 and YF-21 to use the FF-2200 thermonuclear reaction burst turbine engine, and the section basically starts on that topic. Rather than focusing on refining previous generation engine designs, which according to this book owned some of their issues due to a short development cycle and a decision to adapt existing turbofan jet engine designs, the developers of the FF-2200 decided to go back to the drawing board and start from scratch. The new engine design that team came up with prioritized efficiently extracting the energy from the thermonuclear reaction and emphasized ease of assembly and maintenance. This same situation is also described in the Variable Fighter Master File: VF-19 Excalibur book, which goes further into the idea that previous-gen engines were essentially the same design just scaled up or down depending on the application with occasional improvements in materials and the like. While the FF-2200 proved adequate for the YF-19's needs, the YF-21 was heavier and had greater energy requirements due to its size and the new technologies it adopted and the design team opted to tweak the design to increase its output. The tweaked design became the FF-2450. The basic structure of the FF-2450 is the same as the FF-2200, though the performance of the reactor's GIC has been improved slightly with additional fold carbon to allow the reactor to run hotter and the body of the engine has been lengthened 50cm to accommodate a longer thrust-increase section where the reaction plasma is allowed to mix with intake air. The end result is a 15% increase in total output, paid for in a 33% reduction in operational lifespan. This is followed by an interesting note that the non-standard systems like the Brainwave Control System and various stealth measures leave the YF-21/VF-22 needing twice the power generation capacity of the YF/VF-19. This need is apparently addressed by doubling the number of Hamilton X-Ash 4 thermoelectric converters in the turbine body from four to eight, which has the side benefit of further reducing the exhaust temperature and thus the fighter's infrared profile. -
Super Macross Mecha Fun Time Discussion Thread!
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That particular tidbit comes to us from Macross Chronicle's DYRL? Mechanic Sheet 02A for the Zentradi.